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Thread: Total sacks: Jets 17.0, Aldon Smith 16.5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerfish View Post
    The last two are being put in positions to not maximize their pass rushing skills. How many 3-4 DE's have huge sack totals? Also Coples misses out on many pass plays because his ass is on the bench on 1st and 2nd down. The Jets should have either stuck coples as an olb from game one to let him rush the passer or play way more 4-3.
    It's criminal to play a 3-4 when you go out and draft two guys like Wilkerson and Coples. Rex is just way too inflexible when it comes to his defense and his loyalty to players/schemes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerfish View Post
    The last two are being put in positions to not maximize their pass rushing skills. How many 3-4 DE's have huge sack totals? Also Coples misses out on many pass plays because his ass is on the bench on 1st and 2nd down. The Jets should have either stuck coples as an olb from game one to let him rush the passer or play way more 4-3.
    This is a worthy point - in the Jets scheme the sacks would come from the LB's and that is notably a position that has barely been touched over the past two years.

    But - too - lots of teams with players that get plenty of sacks still suck. Don't discount the effects of just disrupting the pocket, shutting down throwing lanes, etc. Wilkerson and Coples look quite capable of doing that and will look even better once an LB corp behind them is also capable of bringing real pressure. Mantei T'eo anyone?? [did I spell his name right?]

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    Rex has tried so damn hard to replicate the Ravens defense in NY that he's made a mess of things. Obsession with corner backs, plus he's still looking for his "Ngata", "Suggs" and "Lewis".

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    We haven't had a strong pass rusher since Abraham. I feel like he hasn't been on the team in a decade. Good job by our front office filling the void. I mean it's not like guys like JPP, Tuck, Umenyiora, and Mathews have greatly helped recent SB winners or anything...

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    IMO this is THE most legitimate criticism of Rex Ryan, and something he should be asked strait up.

    "Why, Rex, has your defense been so poor at getting to and pressuring opposing QB's?"

    Of all the things Rex has failed at, this is the most glaring. He is a defensive coach, and he has failed to both aquire adequate pass rush talent, and failed to scheme his way to putting pressure on the QB, and it shows in our D's performences.

    More so that any other position outside of QB (our #1 problem IMO), this is our primary talent problem. No rush, no pressure, far too much time for opposing QB's to pick us apart, and with our O unable to make up for it, we lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revischrist View Post
    It's criminal to play a 3-4 when you go out and draft two guys like Wilkerson and Coples. Rex is just way too inflexible when it comes to his defense and his loyalty to players/schemes.
    Rex used a 4-3 in Balt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    IMO this is THE most legitimate criticism of Rex Ryan, and something he should be asked strait up.

    "Why, Rex, has your defense been so poor at getting to and pressuring opposing QB's?"

    Of all the things Rex has failed at, this is the most glaring. He is a defensive coach, and he has failed to both aquire adequate pass rush talent, and failed to scheme his way to putting pressure on the QB, and it shows in our D's performences.

    More so that any other position outside of QB (our #1 problem IMO), this is our primary talent problem. No rush, no pressure, far too much time for opposing QB's to pick us apart, and with our O unable to make up for it, we lose.
    I remember in 2009, his schemes were fresh and would outsmart opposing offenses even though we didn't have a dominant rusher. We got really good pressure on QBs that year. Since then, it has been downhill. As you said, he's never picked up a player that can individually wreak havoc like that and opponents know how to block his blitz schemes now. It's not a good situation. We need to upgrade talent, we cannot scheme our way to pass rush and expect it to work at this point.

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    A switch to a 43 front with Coples and Wilkerson in the middle would be great, however if a team has solid interior lineman, we're still screwed. We have no outside rush. None.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 124 View Post
    A switch to a 43 front with Coples and Wilkerson in the middle would be great, however if a team has solid interior lineman, we're still screwed. We have no outside rush. None.
    Plus who are the 4-3 backers? It appears that Rex is heading to a 4-3 based on Coples, Wilkenson, Ellis and Davis. But untll he gets OLB that can cover he can't make the final move.

    If they sign a guy like Erin Henderson and draft a player like Jenkins from Fl, then you can be sure of it.

    But I would expect to see Coples at RDE with Ellis and Wilkenson manning the middle, then maybe a Pace/Sapp rotation on the left side.

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    Wilkerson's a stud, guys.

    Coples is going to be pretty solid.

    And you don't have to reach that far back to find a good DE. John Abraham is still playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    IMO this is THE most legitimate criticism of Rex Ryan, and something he should be asked strait up.

    "Why, Rex, has your defense been so poor at getting to and pressuring opposing QB's?"

    Of all the things Rex has failed at, this is the most glaring. He is a defensive coach, and he has failed to both aquire adequate pass rush talent, and failed to scheme his way to putting pressure on the QB, and it shows in our D's performences.

    More so that any other position outside of QB (our #1 problem IMO), this is our primary talent problem. No rush, no pressure, far too much time for opposing QB's to pick us apart, and with our O unable to make up for it, we lose.
    Lets not forget Rex said when they were recruiting Jason Taylor that he would get 12 sacks playing in his D if he signed w/the Jets

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMarsico9 View Post
    Wilkerson's a stud, guys.

    Coples is going to be pretty solid.

    And you don't have to reach that far back to find a good DE. John Abraham is still playing.
    Slow LB play is killing this defense!
    Even Harris runs with lead feet.
    Our Dline is very good & really young. If you look at most running plays that are successful vs the Jets, it's the LBs not filling & getting wiped out. It's a speed issue, it's tougher to get out & block a LB that uses his speed to change the blocking angle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McGinley View Post
    That's what happens when Rex and Tanny are doing your talent evaluating.
    The writing was on the wall early on with their pursuit Nhamdi. That shouldve been a red flag to fans. Their priorities are skewed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetster View Post
    Slow LB play is killing this defense!
    Even Harris runs with lead feet.
    Our Dline is very good & really young. If you look at most running plays that are successful vs the Jets, it's the LBs not filling & getting wiped out. It's a speed issue, it's tougher to get out & block a LB that uses his speed to change the blocking angle.
    Yeah, the problem with the front 7 isn't the DLine. It's the LBs. They're the reason for the poor pass rush. The NFL caught on to Rex's blitz packages (that's why the Jets are such a poor 3rd down team) and they lack the talent to rush the passer naturally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mart View Post
    Lets not forget Rex said when they were recruiting Jason Taylor that he would get 12 sacks playing in his D if he signed w/the Jets
    THAT is perfect REX.

    What a tool Rex has become.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patman View Post
    Plus who are the 4-3 backers? It appears that Rex is heading to a 4-3 based on Coples, Wilkenson, Ellis and Davis. But untll he gets OLB that can cover he can't make the final move.

    If they sign a guy like Erin Henderson and draft a player like Jenkins from Fl, then you can be sure of it.

    But I would expect to see Coples at RDE with Ellis and Wilkenson manning the middle, then maybe a Pace/Sapp rotation on the left side.
    Pace is all but gone come March, and if Coples is at DE, that's okay I guess, but he wrecked a lot more havoc on the inside at North Carolina. The backers I guess would be Davis on the outside, Harris in the middle and a draft pick or FA at the other outside spot - and of course you have to find another DE and back-ups -- with about $10 million in cap room, maybe, after all the perceived cuts are made.

    This should be fun.

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    Coples was lazy at UNC. He got fat on the weak teams. Disappeared against the good ones. Has done zip with the Jets.
    Wilkerson as a first rounder is barely earning his keep.
    I don't care if people think they are out of position. They are placed where the GREAT COACH thinks they should be. Where's Maybin and Dowtin and Allen? They were going to be big difference makers.
    John Abraham has 9 sacks this year BTW.

    Again, I say, please look at rosters of other teams and say the Jets have anybody on defense who is above average (except Cromartie). That's above average, not even very good.
    Offense, it's Mangold only. But he's getting to look like Custer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palmetto defender View Post
    Coples was lazy at UNC. He got fat on the weak teams. Disappeared against the good ones. Has done zip with the Jets.
    Wilkerson as a first rounder is barely earning his keep.
    I don't care if people think they are out of position. They are placed where the GREAT COACH thinks they should be. Where's Maybin and Dowtin and Allen? They were going to be big difference makers.
    John Abraham has 9 sacks this year BTW.

    Again, I say, please look at rosters of other teams and say the Jets have anybody on defense who is above average (except Cromartie). That's above average, not even very good.
    Offense, it's Mangold only. But he's getting to look like Custer.
    You lose alot of cred just by saying Mo Wilk is barely earning his keep. I'm not sure what you have been watching this season. And Coples has done more than zip. For a rookie DL overall he's played well

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mart View Post
    You lose alot of cred just by saying Mo Wilk is barely earning his keep. I'm not sure what you have been watching this season. And Coples has done more than zip. For a rookie DL overall he's played well
    You expect more from a first rounder than Coples is providing. A lot more.
    Wilkerson is an above average player. Again, you expect MORE from a first rounder.
    Overhype: that happens with this team. Sanchez, Greene, Harris, Keller, Connor, Gholston and the beat goes on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palmetto defender View Post
    You expect more from a first rounder than Coples is providing. A lot more.
    Wilkerson is an above average player. Again, you expect MORE from a first rounder.
    Overhype: that happens with this team. Sanchez, Greene, Harris, Keller, Connor, Gholston and the beat goes on.
    YOU expect a lot more from a rookie 1st rounder.

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