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    Quote Originally Posted by Axil View Post
    Doesn't this torpedo your entire point though?

    Everyone is biased.

    Thus every journalist is biased.

    Thus all news is biased.

    Thus labeling biased news coverage as "news entertainment" is useless.


    This doesn't mean news outlets shouldn't be held accountable for outright false information. When something is objectively provably false, news media will issue a retraction. However bias, spin and the all the other forms of obscurement used by every news station in existence cannot be improved by regulation. As Warfish pointed out, any such regulatory body, be it government run, or private will be susceptible to exactly the same bias your trying to prevent in the media.


    So what's the solution?

    Understand that everyone has an agenda, and check facts for yourself.
    See how this guy put that together?

    He gets it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axil View Post
    Doesn't this torpedo your entire point though?

    Everyone is biased.

    Thus every journalist is biased.

    Thus all news is biased.

    Thus labeling biased news coverage as "news entertainment" is useless.


    This doesn't mean news outlets shouldn't be held accountable for outright false information. When something is objectively provably false, news media will issue a retraction. However bias, spin and the all the other forms of obscurement used by every news station in existence cannot be improved by regulation. As Warfish pointed out, any such regulatory body, be it government run, or private will be susceptible to exactly the same bias your trying to prevent in the media.


    So what's the solution?

    Understand that everyone has an agenda, and check facts for yourself.
    Perfectly put. Far better than I said it tbqh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axil View Post
    Doesn't this torpedo your entire point though?

    Everyone is biased.

    Thus every journalist is biased.

    Thus all news is biased.

    Thus labeling biased news coverage as "news entertainment" is useless.


    This doesn't mean news outlets shouldn't be held accountable for outright false information. When something is objectively provably false, news media will issue a retraction. However bias, spin and the all the other forms of obscurement used by every news station in existence cannot be improved by regulation. As Warfish pointed out, any such regulatory body, be it government run, or private will be susceptible to exactly the same bias your trying to prevent in the media.


    So what's the solution?

    Understand that everyone has an agenda, and check facts for yourself.
    I agree with the general idea - every news outlet/anchor/journalist has an inherent bias - but in practice, there is a difference between the bias of CNN and Fox/MSNBC. While CNN anchors certainly lean left, it's not the agenda of their organization to be partisan, whereas the other two so clearly exist to filter reality to suit a particular audience.

    And if you notice, PBS and NPR do not have the same degree of bias as most other news outlets, and perhaps that's because they are publicly funded and do not need to earn a profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SafetyBlitz View Post
    I agree with the general idea - every news outlet/anchor/journalist has an inherent bias - but in practice, there is a difference between the bias of CNN and Fox/MSNBC. While CNN anchors certainly lean left, it's not the agenda of their organization to be partisan, whereas the other two so clearly exist to filter reality to suit a particular audience.

    And if you notice, PBS and NPR do not have the same degree of bias as most other news outlets, and perhaps that's because they are publicly funded and do not need to earn a profit.
    A perfect example of Axil's Theorum of Universal Bias.

    CNN isn't organizationslly biased to the left? Lol.

    Is CNN is openly partisan as FOX and MSNBC? No. But they are unquestionably biased on an organizational and editorial level, via both what they choose to cover, and as important, what they omit to cover or give only fleeting coverage to. There is more ways than one to be biased, and silence can be as loud as screaming when it comes to media.

    PBS isn't as biased as anyone else? Lol.

    Profit isn't the only creator of bias. For example, PUBLIC broadcasting, being public and all, might just be biased to the Government that funds it, and the party who promotes ongoing funding of it, wouldn't you think?

    After reading your post, then re-reading Axil's, I support his view even more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SafetyBlitz View Post
    I agree with the general idea - every news outlet/anchor/journalist has an inherent bias - but in practice, there is a difference between the bias of CNN and Fox/MSNBC. While CNN anchors certainly lean left, it's not the agenda of their organization to be partisan, whereas the other two so clearly exist to filter reality to suit a particular audience.

    And if you notice, PBS and NPR do not have the same degree of bias as most other news outlets, and perhaps that's because they are publicly funded and do not need to earn a profit.
    No one is this frickin stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    A perfect example of Axil's Theorum of Universal Bias.

    CNN isn't organizationslly biased to the left? Lol.

    Is CNN is openly partisan as FOX and MSNBC? No. But they are unquestionably biased on an organizational and editorial level, via both what they choose to cover, and as important, what they omit to cover or give only fleeting coverage to. There is more ways than one to be biased, and silence can be as loud as screaming when it comes to media.

    PBS isn't as biased as anyone else? Lol.

    Profit isn't the only creator of bias. For example, PUBLIC broadcasting, being public and all, might just be biased to the Government that funds it, and the party who promotes ongoing funding of it, wouldn't you think?

    After reading your post, then re-reading Axil's, I support his view even more.

    You obviously haven't fallen for the old lib mindtrick: equate Fox to crazy MSNBC to discredit them, and then say every other media outlet (although truly on the Dems side) can be trusted to be impartial.


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    Reminds me of the day of Obama's inauguration in January 2009.

    Fox news was the only news org to show from beginning to end GWB's long walk to the waiting Marine chopper and then showing the chopper lifting off from the white house lawn and tracking them all the way out of the city.

    Fox should be commended for covering this angle of transition of power from one president to the next. But perhaps, they only featured this footage as the new org who actually felt it was newsworthy to show every second of GWB's departure from the presidency....so who knows....

    I just think its kinda weak that people will patently refuse to listen/watch certain channels, newspapers, websites as the feel said organizations are simply mouthpieces of whatever agenda they're trying to push. When if that its indeed the case, wouldn't it behoove anyone who feels this way to monitor very closely what the opposition is saying and how to best counter their version of news?

    Kinda like the classic Howard Stern phenomenon that opponents of his listened to his show over an hour more than fans of his show.....

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    Fox News is a lot more than just a conservative leaning media network, like MSNB on the liberal side.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifest...fd5_story.html
    Last edited by 21st Amendment; 12-04-2012 at 09:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21st Amendment View Post
    Fox News is a lot more than just a conservative leaning media network, like MSNB on the liberal side.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifest...fd5_story.html
    Ailes added, “It sounds like she thought she was on a secret mission in the Reagan administration. . . . She was way out of line. . . . It’s someone’s fantasy to make me a kingmaker. It’s not my job.” He said that McFarland was not an employee of Fox but a contributor paid less than $75,000 a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21st Amendment View Post
    Fox News is a lot more than just a conservative leaning media network, like MSNB on the liberal side.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifest...fd5_story.html
    And you quote a story from the Washington post (about bias in media) ????? HAHAHAHAHA

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21st Amendment View Post
    Fox News is a lot more than just a conservative leaning media network, like MSNB on the liberal side.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifest...fd5_story.html
    At worst Ailes is to Republicans as Soros is to Democrats. Where is the story? Soros is a known manipulator in government. Your article says Ailes had someone make a suggestion to Petraeus. Outrageous!

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    Quote Originally Posted by acepepe View Post
    And you quote a story from the Washington post (about bias in media) ????? HAHAHAHAHA
    I seem to remember many conservative posters on here quoting Bob Woodward's book
    Last edited by 21st Amendment; 12-05-2012 at 03:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trades View Post
    At worst Ailes is to Republicans as Soros is to Democrats. Where is the story? Soros is a known manipulator in government. Your article says Ailes had someone make a suggestion to Petraeus. Outrageous!
    Goerge Soros = Sheldon Adelson, not Roger Ailes, who's the president of a major news network.
    Last edited by 21st Amendment; 12-05-2012 at 03:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21st Amendment View Post
    Goerge Soros = Sheldon Adelson, not Roger Ailes, who's the president of a major news network.
    Adelson lost a fortune in this past election. The $37 million for Scott Brown's failed reelection - alot of that was Adelson's liquid. Maybe he can con more Chinese tourists out of their money. Couldn't happen to a better guy.

    Amazing how such an enormous chunk of the supposed nativist, small-town middle-America obsessed Tea Party candidates funding is coming from a businessman in Macau of all places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detjetsfan View Post
    Adelson lost a fortune in this past election. The $37 million for Scott Brown's failed reelection - alot of that was Adelson's liquid. Maybe he can con more Chinese tourists out of their money. Couldn't happen to a better guy.

    Amazing how such an enormous chunk of the supposed nativist, small-town middle-America obsessed Tea Party candidates funding is coming from a businessman in Macau of all places.
    Hand jobs for George Soros????

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    Quote Originally Posted by acepepe View Post
    Hand jobs for George Soros????
    Is that a new part of the Tea Party Platform?

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