Shonn Greene MUST be replaced as our starting RB.
So here are our skill players in 2012:
So, this is who we have now.QB #2 Tim Tebow
QB #3 Greg McElroy
RB #1 Shonn Greene
RB #2 Bilal Powell
RB #3 Joe McKnight
FB Lex Hiliard
WR #1 Santonio Holmes
WR #2 Jeremy Kerley (Slot)
WR #3 Steven Hill (Rookie)
WR #4 Chaz Schilens
WR #5 Clyde Gates
TE #1 Dustin keller
TE #2 Jeff Cumberland
TE #3 Konrad Reuland
KR Joe McKnight
PR Jeremey Kerley
Question #1: Assuming that we cannot and will not move Mark Sanchez as our Starting QB, which of these players MUST be cut and replaced so that "we have no talent at our skill positions" would no longer be true?
Question #2: Who should those terminated players be replaced BY specificly?
Question #3: With Sanchez at the helm, can the roster (after teh changes you make in Q's #1 and #2 above) be considered a "contender" on the offensive side of the ball, with the current staff of Rex and Sparano in place?
Shonn Greene MUST be replaced as our starting RB.
Unless a new gm and coach come in and want to run the tebow offense next year, he is gone.
Shonn greene and dustin keller are gone as there contracts are up and neither is worth resigning.
Schilens and gates are waiver fodder and it wont make a difference if they are around or not. but they were brought here by their past coaches Sparano and Lal. So if the coaches are gone, they are probably gone too.
RB in the 2nd round
Trade 3rd round pick to the Skins for Kirk Cousins
TE, WR, Olineman the rest of the draft.
1sr round pick take a pash rushing OLB.
Greene and Keller could come back if they'll take one year deals to improve stock. Greene unless 1 year deal let him walk. Keller I'd sign if its not crazy or we could franchise him to see what this team can do next year with everyone healthy and another draft.
Last edited by LockeJET; 11-29-2012 at 03:31 PM.
Given having to fill holes all over the roster, it's going to be tough to blow up the Jets offense this off season. That being said..
1) Let Greene walk. Draft a RB in the first few rounds to compete with Powell and McKnight
2) Holmes is stuck here in 2013. In 2014 we're looking for a #1 target in FA.
3) Hill will have an off season to learn how to catch.Signing a jouneyman vet to push for the #2 or#4 slots if Hill can't get his act together would be a smart move.
4) Schillens is fine as a #4 at a vet min. I would use the draft to grab a WR in the mid rounds who could legitimately make the roster and add some WR depth. I don't want to see Gates on the team next year.
5) Trade or cut Tebow. Sign a cheap journeyman vet to compete with Sanchez in camp, and to stick around as a realistic #2 option if Sanchez continues to self implode. Considering the weak draft class and the salary cap, I'd wait until 2014 to find our new QB.
6) Re-sign Keller. If Tanny is really some kind of cap genius, he could work out a deal where the cap hits are the greatest in 2014 and 2015. Keller will command decent $$$, but should be nowhere near what the top TEs earn.
Jeremy Kerley is the guy I love from that group. I think he's got a high ceiling. Holmes has hit his ceiling IMO. I wouldn't be stepping over dead bodies to get to many on that list though.
QB #2 Tim Tebow ---- NOPE
QB #3 Greg McElroy ---- JAG
RB #1 Shonn Greene --- JAG
RB #2 Bilal Powell ---- too few flashes to know
RB #3 Joe McKnight ---- Special teams
FB Lex Hiliard --- fullbacks are a dime a dozen
WR #1 Santonio Holmes --- attitude
WR #2 Jeremy Kerley (Slot) ------ I'd go after Kerley
WR #3 Steven Hill (Rookie) ------- everytime I see him,he's dropping something
WR #4 Chaz Schilens ----- same thing as hill
WR #5 Clyde Gates ------ special teams speed
TE #1 Dustin keller ------ good but I think there are lots of good TEs around the league so not top dollars for him
TE #2 Jeff Cumberland ---- know nothing about him
TE #3 Konrad Reuland ---- know nothing about him
KR Joe McKnight ---- already stated special teams
PR Jeremey Kerley ----- again keeper
Of everything you mentioned, I think the WR corps needs the least amount of tweaking. Holmes is back whether we like it or not, Kerley looks like a legitimate player (though not a star), and we have to hope that Hill can improve...I'm not quitting on this guy early; the physical tools are too hard to ignore, plus he's got a good attitude and work ethic. Gates will probably never amount to anything, but I'd rather roll with him and see what happens than waste money on a FA.
1) Greene is a FA and under no circumstances should he be re-signed. Powell and McKnight have some ability, but neither of them is capable of being a lead back. Greene is the one in most dire need of replacing.
Tebow needs to go because he is awful. He has done zilch for the run game. Other than one 20 yard run against the Steelers, he is under 3YPC.
We can let go of Schilens, but I would like to keep Gates. Gates still sucks as a route runner, but he's got some wheels and I would like to keep him as a developmental WR.
I'd let go of Keller because we have minimal cap space and he's too one dimensional. I absolutely would not sign him to a long term deal, but I could tolerate him being franchised..I would disagree with the move because we aren't contending next year with or without him, but I could live with it.
2) Of the three players I mentioned, this is how they should be replaced:
Greene: Draft a RB in the first three rounds. I wouldn't be strongly opposed to getting one in the first round if he is a complete back and ready to contribute IMMEDIATELY. If Gio Bernard were to be available, I'd be all for it; that being said, I really hope the Jets can trade down this year...too many holes to fill and filling them via the draft will be more efficient and cost effective than via free agency.
Tebow: Either sign a journeyman a la Matt Moore, Jason Campbell, or Tarvaris Jackson and have an OPEN competition with Sanchez. I'd be all for that, but I would rather spend a 2nd or a 3rd on a QB with raw physical tools a la Logan Thomas, Tyler Bray, or Zach Dysert that can be groomed for a year while we suffer through one more Sanchez year.
Schilens: Use a mid round pick on a developmental big possession receiver. Have the rookie and Jordan White compete for the 5th WR position.
Keller: Roll with Cumberland/Reuland if we have to, but I'd only be fine with that if we had a solid rookie RB to carry the load. If not, a large all-around TE like Zach Ertz or Tyler Eifert would be a boon to the offense. We have plenty of speed in the WR corps IMHO, so a well rounded TE and a contributing rookie RB would actually give us some semblance of a G&P offense (if that's what we're still doing).
3) Doubtful, but if we beef up the line or TE and pair it with an NFL ready RB, we'll be improved from this year. The offense wouldn't suck if we had a legitimate QB or a dominant running game. We have neither, and we're seeing the awful results right now. The offense's ineptitude is affecting the entire team.
Last edited by Rexipus Rex; 11-29-2012 at 03:53 PM.
The talent is there. They just need to develop it.
QB #1 Mark Sanchez - Demote to 3rd string or just put on IR to get the roster spot back. Draft a new starter.
QB #2 Tim Tebow - Him or Sanchez needs to be traded for cap space. He is just easier to move.
QB #3 Greg McElroy - Cut and replace with anyone else. A vet at min or a late rounder.
RB #1 Shonn Greene - Let walk and trade for a RB
RB #2 Bilal Powell - cut find a cheap replacement
RB #3 Joe McKnight - Keep but look to replace.
FB Lex Hiliard - I am fine with him.
WR #1 Santonio Holmes - Try to trade to open up cap but don't just give away. We have good WRs now so he is expendable however.
WR #2 Jeremy Kerley - Keep
WR #3 Steven Hill - Keep
WR #4 Chaz Schilens - Let walk replace with a ST/WR player to relieve Kerley there.
WR #5 Clyde Gates - It is the 5th spot this is always an open comp not real worried here. I like Royce a lot though if he can stay healthy.
TE #1 Dustin keller - keep if affordable. If not draft a 5th 6th rounder TE is not important enough to spend high picks or cap on.
TE #2 Jeff Cumberland - cut draft a 5-6th rounder to replace
TE #3 Konrad Reuland - keep
Yeah let's cut tebow based on him being used wrong. Some people are idiots you can't judge tebow this year he needs another year with a coach that doesn't have man love for players that suck.
I don't know who will be available in FA, Trades, or the Draft next year but this team desperately needs a big #1 WR target. With Sanchez at QB or not.
SOMEONE who the defense has to pay attention to constantly and can take over a game. Help take away coverages from Holmes and Kerley.
How easy was it once defenses bumped our WR's? It was game over.
Find any way to get that target. I would start Powell ahead of Greene. But continue to split the carries as they've done recently.
The only MUST cut would be Tebow.
Before you cut anyone, make sure you have their replacement
The issues on offense cannot be solved in one offseason, and the team's salary cap problems are going to to make it very difficult to make drastic changes in short order.
With that said, I would not be surprised if three seasons from now the only remaining offensive players with significant roles are Mangold, Ferguson, Kerley, and Hill.
Replacing Sanchez should be the top priority on offense. He plays the most important position in sports, and simply put, he's not good enough. The league is too fast and complicated for him. A change here can have a big trickle down effect on the rest of the offense and team.
Greene should not be resigned under any circumstances, and Keller should only be resigned if he's willing to be paid like a bottom third, one dimensional TE.
Tebow should be released, and he never should have been here in the first place.
Holmes needs to be released due to his outrageous contract and negative influence on the team.
The team needs to use the draft and sign middle tier free agents in an attempt to bring the unit to respectability. It's probably going to be a slow process, but with the right player under center, it may not take as long as it seems at this point.
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Honestly, I think our biggest problem in our running game may be having an inept RT the past 2 years. The rest of the line is comprised of average to elite lineman. Its not terrible to have an average Guard surrounded by an elite LT and Center, but it kind of hurts to have an average Guard next to a below average RT. Teams typically run behind their RT and the Jets simply don't have a competent one.
Can they upgrade their RBs? Absolutely. But, if they dedicate themselves to using all 3 RBs they have now (assuming Greene is back), I don't think the RBs are holding them back. I wouldn't mind the Jets either drafting a RB or picking up a solid vet - but I think the line has more to do with the success of the running game rather than the RBs.
Ditto on the WRs. If Holmes is back healthy, I think they pick up a mid level veteran to put into the mix with Holmes/Kerley/Hill. Hopefully Hill takes a step in the right direction, developmentally and learns how to catch. If he can do that, the Jets have some decent weapons at WR. Holmes, while being an ahole, is a legitimate NFL WR.
IMO, the Jets success comes down to their line and QB. If they can improve at one or more line spots and get better QB play, this team can compete. At least to the point where the Offense can help out the defense rather than simply leaving them out to dry by coming up lame in the TOP and field position battles.