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    "Hit Reset On the Jets?" -Mel Kiper

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story...set-button-nfl

    Rex Ryan has been head coach of the New York Jets since Jan. 19, 2009. In the two drafts that followed, the Jets drafted an obscenely low total of seven players.

    Think about that: In a two-year period, the Jets drafted exactly half of what other teams drafted on average. This isn't the recipe for a personnel disaster, but it can be a problem for roster depth if you're not finding consistent value. It's hard to say the Jets have.

    Of those two drafts, the biggest piece has been Mark Sanchez. He is, depending on what side of the aisle you're on, the player who is either holding the franchise hostage because he hasn't developed or being held hostage by the franchise because of the lack of help in his development.

    As you question the state of the 2012 Jets, remember that among two drafts that could have a big impact on the roster, the greatest contributor is Sanchez. And among every pick from 2008-2011, there are exactly zero Pro Bowl seasons. The 2012 draft won't offer one in the short term.

    The team has played great defense for the entirety of the Ryan era until injuries and the lack of a pass rush diminished it this season. But New York has never truly found consistent success on offense, through both a lack of growth from Sanchez and a total lack of offensive firepower.

    The issue, as the Jets head down the stretch, is identifying whether this is a team that needs to hit reset or one that can fix its problems quickly.

    I'll look at what I see as the five biggest questions facing the Jets and whether it's an area where the draft can help.

    1. The quarterback
    If the Jets want to be clearly better at quarterback in 2013, it will happen in one of two ways. Either Sanchez experiences a leap in performance or a quarterback who isn't currently on the roster beats him out for the position.

    The Tim Tebow question really isn't one. Adding him was a mistake. He has been little more than a distraction, a wrinkle in the offense that hasn't amounted to anything. If he were real competition for Sanchez, he would have seen the field by now in situations that matter. The Jets must either trade for help or target what little there is in free agency. Either way, they need Sanchez to experience a true challenge for his job.

    Draft or not: Not a draft solution. Unless they want to spend a first-round pick at quarterback, the Jets aren't going to get a player ready to provide an immediate upgrade.

    2. The weapons
    It's hard to make excuses for Sanchez, who at this point in his career would start to make others look good if he truly had elite potential, but it's clear that he has well-below-average talent surrounding him. Shonn Greene doesn't look like a starter in this league, and excluding Santonio Holmes, it's hard to find a worse group of pass-catchers in the NFL. Stephen Hill will get better -- he was extremely raw entering the league -- but this is an area worthy of a first-round pick. The Jets simply have to know by this time next season whether their quarterback -- whoever he is -- is a keeper, and skill-position upgrades are a part of that.

    Draft or not: Absolutely a draft issue. The Jets should consider help at wide receiver as early as Round 1. They must also be ready to add in free agency. At running back, you have to wait and look for value, but they should look to upgrade, period.

    3. The pass rush
    I expressed surprise when the Jets drafted Quinton Coples over options such as Melvin Ingram in April's draft. I thought this was a team that, given the personnel, needed to take the quickest route to the quarterback.

    This season, the Jets are a dismal 28th in sack percentage, and I don't blame Ryan, who can scheme like a wizard. They just lack one-on-one pass-rushers. The defensive line will be a strength soon, with Coples and Muhammad Wilkerson developing next to the vastly underrated Sione Pouha, but this team really needs to add a pass-rusher that offenses actually worry about.

    Draft or not: Absolutely a draft question. Not the first need, but probably worth a second-round pick. Free-agency help has to be in the picture as well.

    4. The safety
    I don't think most see this as a crisis position given the other needs, but safety is a huge need for the Jets. The Jets don't have a safety who should be starting at the position on the roster. With Darrelle Revis back healthy, they'll be fine at cornerback in 2013, but looking for an upgrade at safety should be a priority.


    Draft or not: Not with the first pick, but after that, the Jets should consider options in the draft. It certainly has to be an option as they scan the free-agent market.

    5. The offensive line
    The Jets offensive line has some good players -- very good in a couple of cases -- but the tape shows it hasn't been very good in run blocking this season. It's not across the board, but it's a consistent problem. It's pretty clear that losing Bill Callahan off the coaching staff has had a negative impact on the offensive line play. Again, the Jets could get better at running back, but they need to improve the blocking as well.

    Draft or not: I don't think this should be considered an early draft need. This is a unit that can play better, and if there's an upgrade within the roster or as a later pick, it'll be considered.

    A sixth question is bad play at linebacker. David Harris could be replaced, and Bart Scott is not a starter in this league. But that is a position that, given other needs, could be addressed through free agency, not the early portion of the draft.

    Overall, I just don't think the Jets are that far away from a 10-win season. Despite the lack of draft dividends, they have a coach who can scheme the defense into success and could be far more competitive if they got anything out of the offense. Offense has to be the first priority, starting with real competition at quarterback.

    The front office is a question mark, with personnel decisions that have gone the wrong way piling up. This offseason may be the last chance for the current decision-makers to get it right.
    I bolded #4 b/c I don't agree with him. Unless he's talking about them not having a safety on the roster b/c Landry and Bell will be FA's. But I don't think he is b/c he doesn't even mention resigning either one. So although I do think they have to get younger at safety I do believe resigning one or both will go a long way to stabilizing the secondary.

    Otherwise I think he's right on the money with his analysis.

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    Kiper jr - jets

    There is a new kipper article on what jets should do in the draft. It's an insider article. Can somebody please post.

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    Landry on Mel's comments about the safety position...

    LaRon Landry @BigSMASH30
    @AssfaceMel YOU'RE MAKING ME ANGRY. YOU WON'T LIKE ME WHEN I'M ANGRY. LARON SMAAAAAAAAAAAASH! #jets #DirtyThirty

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    Quote Originally Posted by McGinley View Post
    Landry on Mel's comments about the safety position...

    LaRon Landry @BigSMASH30
    @AssfaceMel YOU'RE MAKING ME ANGRY. YOU WON'T LIKE ME WHEN I'M ANGRY. LARON SMAAAAAAAAAAAASH! ... For a 15 yard personal foul #jets #DirtyThirty
    fixed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimitri_0515 View Post
    fixed
    You mirin' SMASH, brah?

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    Mel thinks our line has taken a step back this year because Callahan is gone. Did the idiot see our line last year under Callahan? Clearly doesn't watch the Jets or the tape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McGinley View Post
    Landry on Mel's comments about the safety position...

    LaRon Landry @BigSMASH30
    @AssfaceMel YOU'RE MAKING ME ANGRY. YOU WON'T LIKE ME WHEN I'M ANGRY. LARON SMAAAAAAAAAAAASH! #jets #DirtyThirty
    The guy's a complete nut

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    Kiper knows nothing about football. I'd listen to Greenburg before Kiper. He always hypes one of the worst most over rated player every year. Clausen, Brandon Graham, Chris Long, Sanchez, Quinn, and Keith Rivers all come to mind as guys he proclaimed as top 5 worthy. Why does this slug still have a job?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamers View Post
    Kiper knows nothing about football. I'd listen to Greenburg before Kiper. He always hypes one of the worst most over rated player every year. Clausen, Brandon Graham, Chris Long, Sanchez, Quinn, and Keith Rivers all come to mind as guys he proclaimed as top 5 worthy. Why does this slug still have a job?
    +1


    There's a reason he's a talking head instead of having a real job. Y'know, as a GM or even a scout for an NFL team?

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    Landry and Bell have been great. I don't know what this guy is talking about.

    1: WR
    2: OLB

    Later rounds: OL, RB, FS, TE

    This team is not as broken as most people think. I'd consider even using two of the first three picks on WR.

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    But hitting the reset button is fun.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonhomme Richard View Post
    The guy's a complete nut
    One of the few on the Jets right now that plays with passion. I think he's a must resigning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimitri_0515 View Post
    One of the few on the Jets right now that plays with passion. I think he's a must resigning.
    You would think. He's one a few Jets I'd love to have on my team.

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    Kiper on Jets and 2013 Draft

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    Good short to the point review. I agree with most of his post. The only exception is that again based on my other post, I do not think the Jets should pass on Warmack at guard as he's arguably the 2nd best player in the draft regardless of position unless WR Hunter is there. If Warmack is gone when the Jets pick and so is Hunter I agree with some other postings that they could trade down and acquire picks. I player that I am becoming in love with at WR is Marquess Wilson out of Wash St. He's a player that doesn't have blazing speed but great speed and great hands. His ball skills could be on par with great WR's of our time like a Chris Carter. On the Mike & Mike show Carter was asked if any college WR reminds him of himself. He said no, I'm unique. But then he said there is one player that really does have great ball skills and that player is Marquess Wilson. He said he could come in the league and immediately start for half the teams in the league. He will make the 2nd round and should absolutely make our short board if we don't go WR in the 1st round.

    Rex Ryan has been head coach of the New York Jets since Jan. 19, 2009. In the two drafts that followed, the Jets drafted an obscenely low total of seven players.

    Think about that: In a two-year period, the Jets drafted exactly half of what other teams drafted on average. This isn't the recipe for a personnel disaster, but it can be a problem for roster depth if you're not finding consistent value. It's hard to say the Jets have.

    Of those two drafts, the biggest piece has been Mark Sanchez. He is, depending on what side of the aisle you're on, the player who is either holding the franchise hostage because he hasn't developed or being held hostage by the franchise because of the lack of help in his development.

    As you question the state of the 2012 Jets, remember that among two drafts that could have a big impact on the roster, the greatest contributor is Sanchez. And among every pick from 2008-2011, there are exactly zero Pro Bowl seasons. The 2012 draft won't offer one in the short term.

    The team has played great defense for the entirety of the Ryan era until injuries and the lack of a pass rush diminished it this season. But New York has never truly found consistent success on offense, through both a lack of growth from Sanchez and a total lack of offensive firepower.

    The issue, as the Jets head down the stretch, is identifying whether this is a team that needs to hit reset or one that can fix its problems quickly.

    I'll look at what I see as the five biggest questions facing the Jets and whether it's an area where the draft can help.

    1. The quarterback
    If the Jets want to be clearly better at quarterback in 2013, it will happen in one of two ways. Either Sanchez experiences a leap in performance or a quarterback who isn't currently on the roster beats him out for the position.

    The Tim Tebow question really isn't one. Adding him was a mistake. He has been little more than a distraction, a wrinkle in the offense that hasn't amounted to anything. If he were real competition for Sanchez, he would have seen the field by now in situations that matter. The Jets must either trade for help or target what little there is in free agency. Either way, they need Sanchez to experience a true challenge for his job.

    Draft or not: Not a draft solution. Unless they want to spend a first-round pick at quarterback, the Jets aren't going to get a player ready to provide an immediate upgrade.

    2. The weapons
    It's hard to make excuses for Sanchez, who at this point in his career would start to make others look good if he truly had elite potential, but it's clear that he has well-below-average talent surrounding him. Shonn Greene doesn't look like a starter in this league, and excluding Santonio Holmes, it's hard to find a worse group of pass-catchers in the NFL. Stephen Hill will get better -- he was extremely raw entering the league -- but this is an area worthy of a first-round pick. The Jets simply have to know by this time next season whether their quarterback -- whoever he is -- is a keeper, and skill-position upgrades are a part of that.

    Draft or not: Absolutely a draft issue. The Jets should consider help at wide receiver as early as Round 1. They must also be ready to add in free agency. At running back, you have to wait and look for value, but they should look to upgrade, period.

    3. The pass rush
    I expressed surprise when the Jets drafted Quinton Coples over options such as Melvin Ingram in April's draft. I thought this was a team that, given the personnel, needed to take the quickest route to the quarterback.

    This season, the Jets are a dismal 28th in sack percentage, and I don't blame Ryan, who can scheme like a wizard. They just lack one-on-one pass-rushers. The defensive line will be a strength soon, with Coples and Muhammad Wilkerson developing next to the vastly underrated Sione Pouha, but this team really needs to add a pass-rusher that offenses actually worry about.

    Draft or not: Absolutely a draft question. Not the first need, but probably worth a second-round pick. Free-agency help has to be in the picture as well.

    4. The safety
    I don't think most see this as a crisis position given the other needs, but safety is a huge need for the Jets. The Jets don't have a safety who should be starting at the position on the roster. With Darrelle Revis back healthy, they'll be fine at cornerback in 2013, but looking for an upgrade at safety should be a priority.

    Draft or not: Not with the first pick, but after that, the Jets should consider options in the draft. It certainly has to be an option as they scan the free-agent market.

    5. The offensive line
    The Jets offensive line has some good players -- very good in a couple of cases -- but the tape shows it hasn't been very good in run blocking this season. It's not across the board, but it's a consistent problem. It's pretty clear that losing Bill Callahan off the coaching staff has had a negative impact on the offensive line play. Again, the Jets could get better at running back, but they need to improve the blocking as well.

    Draft or not: I don't think this should be considered an early draft need. This is a unit that can play better, and if there's an upgrade within the roster or as a later pick, it'll be considered.

    A sixth question is bad play at linebacker. David Harris could be replaced, and Bart Scott is not a starter in this league. But that is a position that, given other needs, could be addressed through free agency, not the early portion of the draft.

    Overall, I just don't think the Jets are that far away from a 10-win season. Despite the lack of draft dividends, they have a coach who can scheme the defense into success and could be far more competitive if they got anything out of the offense. Offense has to be the first priority, starting with real competition at quarterback.

    The front office is a question mark, with personnel decisions that have gone the wrong way piling up. This offseason may be the last chance for the current decision-makers to get it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Choon328 View Post
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    I bolded #4 b/c I don't agree with him. Unless he's talking about them not having a safety on the roster b/c Landry and Bell will be FA's. But I don't think he is b/c he doesn't even mention resigning either one. So although I do think they have to get younger at safety I do believe resigning one or both will go a long way to stabilizing the secondary.

    Otherwise I think he's right on the money with his analysis.
    IMO, Landry and Bell are the same guy. Both are much better hitters than coverage guys. I believe the Jets definitely need a good coverage safety to compliment them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuidoYaztremski View Post
    You would think. He's one a few Jets I'd love to have on my team.
    I thought you were a Browns fan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrickHouse View Post
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    Good short to the point review. I agree with most of his post. The only exception is that again based on my other post, I do not think the Jets should pass on Warmack at guard as he's arguably the 2nd best player in the draft regardless of position unless WR Hunter is there. If Warmack is gone when the Jets pick and so is Hunter I agree with some other postings that they could trade down and acquire picks. I player that I am becoming in love with at WR is Marquess Wilson out of Wash St. He's a player that doesn't have blazing speed but great speed and great hands. His ball skills could be on par with great WR's of our time like a Chris Carter. On the Mike & Mike show Carter was asked if any college WR reminds him of himself. He said no, I'm unique. But then he said there is one player that really does have great ball skills and that player is Marquess Wilson. He said he could come in the league and immediately start for half the teams in the league. He will make the 2nd round and should absolutely make our short board if we don't go WR in the 1st round.

    Rex Ryan has been head coach of the New York Jets since Jan. 19, 2009. In the two drafts that followed, the Jets drafted an obscenely low total of seven players.

    Think about that: In a two-year period, the Jets drafted exactly half of what other teams drafted on average. This isn't the recipe for a personnel disaster, but it can be a problem for roster depth if you're not finding consistent value. It's hard to say the Jets have.

    Of those two drafts, the biggest piece has been Mark Sanchez. He is, depending on what side of the aisle you're on, the player who is either holding the franchise hostage because he hasn't developed or being held hostage by the franchise because of the lack of help in his development.

    As you question the state of the 2012 Jets, remember that among two drafts that could have a big impact on the roster, the greatest contributor is Sanchez. And among every pick from 2008-2011, there are exactly zero Pro Bowl seasons. The 2012 draft won't offer one in the short term.

    The team has played great defense for the entirety of the Ryan era until injuries and the lack of a pass rush diminished it this season. But New York has never truly found consistent success on offense, through both a lack of growth from Sanchez and a total lack of offensive firepower.

    The issue, as the Jets head down the stretch, is identifying whether this is a team that needs to hit reset or one that can fix its problems quickly.

    I'll look at what I see as the five biggest questions facing the Jets and whether it's an area where the draft can help.

    1. The quarterback
    If the Jets want to be clearly better at quarterback in 2013, it will happen in one of two ways. Either Sanchez experiences a leap in performance or a quarterback who isn't currently on the roster beats him out for the position.

    The Tim Tebow question really isn't one. Adding him was a mistake. He has been little more than a distraction, a wrinkle in the offense that hasn't amounted to anything. If he were real competition for Sanchez, he would have seen the field by now in situations that matter. The Jets must either trade for help or target what little there is in free agency. Either way, they need Sanchez to experience a true challenge for his job.

    Draft or not: Not a draft solution. Unless they want to spend a first-round pick at quarterback, the Jets aren't going to get a player ready to provide an immediate upgrade.

    2. The weapons
    It's hard to make excuses for Sanchez, who at this point in his career would start to make others look good if he truly had elite potential, but it's clear that he has well-below-average talent surrounding him. Shonn Greene doesn't look like a starter in this league, and excluding Santonio Holmes, it's hard to find a worse group of pass-catchers in the NFL. Stephen Hill will get better -- he was extremely raw entering the league -- but this is an area worthy of a first-round pick. The Jets simply have to know by this time next season whether their quarterback -- whoever he is -- is a keeper, and skill-position upgrades are a part of that.

    Draft or not: Absolutely a draft issue. The Jets should consider help at wide receiver as early as Round 1. They must also be ready to add in free agency. At running back, you have to wait and look for value, but they should look to upgrade, period.

    3. The pass rush
    I expressed surprise when the Jets drafted Quinton Coples over options such as Melvin Ingram in April's draft. I thought this was a team that, given the personnel, needed to take the quickest route to the quarterback.

    This season, the Jets are a dismal 28th in sack percentage, and I don't blame Ryan, who can scheme like a wizard. They just lack one-on-one pass-rushers. The defensive line will be a strength soon, with Coples and Muhammad Wilkerson developing next to the vastly underrated Sione Pouha, but this team really needs to add a pass-rusher that offenses actually worry about.

    Draft or not: Absolutely a draft question. Not the first need, but probably worth a second-round pick. Free-agency help has to be in the picture as well.

    4. The safety
    I don't think most see this as a crisis position given the other needs, but safety is a huge need for the Jets. The Jets don't have a safety who should be starting at the position on the roster. With Darrelle Revis back healthy, they'll be fine at cornerback in 2013, but looking for an upgrade at safety should be a priority.

    Draft or not: Not with the first pick, but after that, the Jets should consider options in the draft. It certainly has to be an option as they scan the free-agent market.

    5. The offensive line
    The Jets offensive line has some good players -- very good in a couple of cases -- but the tape shows it hasn't been very good in run blocking this season. It's not across the board, but it's a consistent problem. It's pretty clear that losing Bill Callahan off the coaching staff has had a negative impact on the offensive line play. Again, the Jets could get better at running back, but they need to improve the blocking as well.

    Draft or not: I don't think this should be considered an early draft need. This is a unit that can play better, and if there's an upgrade within the roster or as a later pick, it'll be considered.

    A sixth question is bad play at linebacker. David Harris could be replaced, and Bart Scott is not a starter in this league. But that is a position that, given other needs, could be addressed through free agency, not the early portion of the draft.

    Overall, I just don't think the Jets are that far away from a 10-win season. Despite the lack of draft dividends, they have a coach who can scheme the defense into success and could be far more competitive if they got anything out of the offense. Offense has to be the first priority, starting with real competition at quarterback.

    The front office is a question mark, with personnel decisions that have gone the wrong way piling up. This offseason may be the last chance for the current decision-makers to get it right.
    Oh awesome, another one.

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    Just an fyi, I posted this about 2 hours ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Choon328 View Post
    Just an fyi, I posted this about 2 hours ago.
    Sorry guys, I didn't see it. Please delete monitor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3rd_Times_A_Charm View Post
    Landry and Bell have been great. I don't know what this guy is talking about.

    1: WR
    2: OLB

    Later rounds: OL, RB, FS, TE

    This team is not as broken as most people think. I'd consider even using two of the first three picks on WR.
    B oth safeties are free agents and we are in cap hell

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