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    Quote Originally Posted by DDNYjets View Post
    In fairness Cromartie was essentially a second round pick for us. BUT. We had to pay him after one year and did not get the benefit of having a young/cheap player. Risk/Reward/Cost. It is a balance.

    Looking back, we are now paying the price for Gholston and Sanchez. When you miss that high it is usually felt earlier. But we had such a good roster in 2008-2010 that we were able to overcome it for a brief time.

    Chickens have come home to roost. CLEAN HOUSE!!!!!!!
    Correct, which is why I dont equate trading the pick for a player. Not only did you give up a high pick, you also had to give big money to retain him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sec.101row23 View Post
    Correct, which is why I dont equate trading the pick for a player. Not only did you give up a high pick, you also had to give big money to retain him.
    You can make an argument that from 2008-2010 we got next to nothing in the first 2 rounds.

    Gholston, Sanchez, Wilson, Ducasse

    Oops I forgot Keller.

    At the very least we got no impact players. THAT is how you destroy a roster in 3 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDNYjets View Post
    In fairness Cromartie was essentially a second round pick for us. BUT. We had to pay him after one year and did not get the benefit of having a young/cheap player. Risk/Reward/Cost. It is a balance.

    Looking back, we are now paying the price for Gholston and Sanchez. When you miss that high it is usually felt earlier. But we had such a good roster in 2008-2010 that we were able to overcome it for a brief time.

    Chickens have come home to roost. CLEAN HOUSE!!!!!!!
    Yeah, the Gholston and Sanchez picks are a killer. You can't miss on top 10 picks. Can't blame the team for taking a swing on what they perceived to be top 5 QB talent, unfortunately, the evaluations and scouting for Sanchez were atrocious and they got the wrong guy. Gholston it seems that trading down would have been the best bet, although it would have been hard to find a taker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDNYjets View Post
    You can make an argument that from 2008-2010 we got next to nothing in the first 2 rounds.

    Gholston, Sanchez, Wilson, Ducasse

    Oops I forgot Keller.

    At the very least we got no impact players. THAT is how you destroy a roster in 3 years.
    After next season the only guy left could be Wilson. Not good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlickBri481 View Post
    Yeah, the Gholston and Sanchez picks are a killer. You can't miss on top 10 picks. Can't blame the team for taking a swing on what they perceived to be top 5 QB talent, unfortunately, the evaluations and scouting for Sanchez were atrocious and they got the wrong guy. Gholston it seems that trading down would have been the best bet, although it would have been hard to find a taker.
    Just imagine how different this team would be if both of them were just average players. An average pass rusher and an average QB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlickBri481 View Post
    Yeah, the Gholston and Sanchez picks are a killer. You can't miss on top 10 picks. Can't blame the team for taking a swing on what they perceived to be top 5 QB talent, unfortunately, the evaluations and scouting for Sanchez were atrocious and they got the wrong guy. Gholston it seems that trading down would have been the best bet, although it would have been hard to find a taker.
    Cant kill them for either - Gholston was when the draft contracts were out of control....no one wanted to trade up into the top 10 that year.

    As for Sanchez lots of teams liked him and the Jets only gave up a 2d and bunch of JAGS to jump to the 6th slot to get him....the colossal mistake was giving him big money when no one else would....same with holmes

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    Over the past 5 years, no team has drafted worse than the New York Jets. End of story.

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    This post again points to how bad Tannebaum has been as a GM. If you want to go further his Director of Pro Personnel is Terry Bradway the GM before him. Hopefully Woody sees this and cleans house and brings in a new GM and Director of Pro Personnel.

    Besides the drafts can anyone say we have brought in an impact free agent? All have played a role but nothing to write home about.

    He did have good trades for Edwards, Holmes for a year (before last year), and Cromartie I'll say we did well with the others not so much.

    So lets see what Tannebaum has done. He has given us bad drafts (a few keepers), bad contracts with aging veterans, and a complete mess at the qb position which many will say is the most important position on a football team. Thanks Tannebaum we appreciate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrowningNagle View Post
    Cant kill them for either - Gholston was when the draft contracts were out of control....no one wanted to trade up into the top 10 that year.

    As for Sanchez lots of teams liked him and the Jets only gave up a 2d and bunch of JAGS to jump to the 6th slot to get him....the colossal mistake was giving him big money when no one else would....same with holmes
    Good post. But I don't think the big money part about Sanchez is accurate. He was guaranteed all but approx $250k from his original deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrowningNagle View Post
    Cant kill them for either - Gholston was when the draft contracts were out of control....no one wanted to trade up into the top 10 that year.

    As for Sanchez lots of teams liked him and the Jets only gave up a 2d and bunch of JAGS to jump to the 6th slot to get him....the colossal mistake was giving him big money when no one else would....same with holmes
    the jets could also have taken freeman. the point is, the jets whiffed too many times. tannenbaum needs to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrowningNagle View Post
    Cant kill them for either - Gholston was when the draft contracts were out of control....no one wanted to trade up into the top 10 that year.

    As for Sanchez lots of teams liked him and the Jets only gave up a 2d and bunch of JAGS to jump to the 6th slot to get him....the colossal mistake was giving him big money when no one else would....same with holmes
    6th slot was Andre Smith you over shot by 1..

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    Not good, but there's a surprising amount of suck in the 2nd round generally. I'm willing to bet that if you list 10 years of second rounders for just about any NFL team, you will find a bevy of cringe-worthy picks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoop24 View Post
    I mean Hobson was decent..so jets fans thought he was going to be the next big thing he didn't quite live up to that but he was serviceable.

    Nugget has turned out great (not sure if its a case of not being able to handle the ny media or we gave up to soon.)
    No he wasn't, he was awful. We cut him after his rookie contract was up and not one team picked him up. He was so overrated by Jets fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by augustiniak View Post
    the jets could also have taken freeman. the point is, the jets whiffed too many times. tannenbaum needs to go.
    I am not a fan of Freeman either....

    As for Tanny - how many GMs survive 2 failed coaching regimes, a failed hand picked QB and another top 5 pick in Gholston? Throw in the truly horrific Holmes contract, trading too many draft picks with no depth and back to back no playoff seasons....he's gotta go

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mart View Post
    Good post. But I don't think the big money part about Sanchez is accurate. He was guaranteed all but approx $250k from his original deal.
    Fair point but I believe that they extended it - so the team could have been rid of him after this season if Tanny didnt get cute and do the extension. At least that is arguable - who the heck was going to pay Holmes anything close that the Jets were offering?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snell41 View Post
    No he wasn't, he was awful. We cut him after his rookie contract was up and not one team picked him up. He was so overrated by Jets fans.
    Whats bad about the Hobson pick was that the 2 of the next 3 picks right after Hobson that year were Anquan Boldin and Osi Umenyiora.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palmetto defender View Post
    I KNOW EXACTLY what I am talking about. Perhaps YOU need help in understanding the subtleties of the English language.
    Hobson and Clemens WERE 4th rounders selected STUPIDLY by the Jets in the 2nd.
    Keller was 1st. You ARE where you are picked.
    Cromartie was a trade. Not a pick. Essentially a salary and character dump.


    OWNED!!

    palmetto wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDNYjets View Post
    Just imagine how different this team would be if both of them were just average players. An average pass rusher and an average QB.
    Substitute Gholston with Aldon Smith. Now imagine our defense.

    Both were #6 picks. Obviously you have to give credit to the 49ers for taking the right player and give blame to the Jets for taking the wrong one. But, they were both roundly considered the appropriate pick in their respective slots. Its not like the 49ers did anything that any of us here couldn't have done. One panned out. One didn't.

    Anyone know what Vernon Gholston is doing these days? Apart from him morning swim in his money bin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sec.101row23 View Post
    Whats bad about the Hobson pick was that the 2 of the next 3 picks right after Hobson that year were Anquan Boldin and Osi Umenyiora.
    I couldn't stand Hobson. I was embarrassed he was actually starting for us, yet alot of fans liked him for some reason. We cut him finally, the Pats gave him a short preseason sniff and cut him as well. From there not one team picked him up for a look even though he was like 27/28 years old in the prime of his career. It was mind boggling how bad he was.

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    Who was worse, Hobson or Schlegel???

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