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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsfan1983 View Post
    Absolutely... But offense these days really comes down to the QB position. He's responsible for who he chose, just like Parcells was responsible for the offense when Mirer was QB.

    Finding a QB isn't much of a skill... It's a ton of luck and some of you guys act like it's just a matter of Rex going out there and getting a good QB. It doesn't work that way... YOu don't just go out there and get a good QB.


    It's the same thing with Whisenhunt to be honest. He's a solid coach. He just has a complete joke of an offense due to his poor decisions at the QB position. Same thing with Andy Reid. Good coach, just garbage at the QB position.

    Belichick is in the same group as them all, except he's not even a good defensive coach. He just got lucky with Brady.
    I always wished he went to Ray Lucas right away. Mirer was a complete waste of space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsfan1983 View Post

    Belichick is in the same group as them all, except he's not even a good defensive coach. He just got lucky with Brady.
    Gotta love Jets fans.

    BB has the 2nd youngest defense in the NFL and they lead the entire league in forced turnovers.

    Yea, BB has no clue what to do on the defensive side of the ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatsFanTX View Post
    Gotta love Jets fans.

    BB has the 2nd youngest defense in the NFL and they lead the entire league in forced turnovers.

    Yea, BB has no clue what to do on the defensive side of the ball.


    Pats defense has gotten better and better this year, no doubt. Definitely better than last year's defense. They get a lot of unnecessary hate.

    That being said, their defense is largely a product of their offensive juggernaut. Playing defense when you're up 24-7 isn't that hard. Save for a few opponents, nearly every opposing offense is playing in panic mode when down three scores.

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    To further my point, the Pats have had 7 blowout games this year (lopsided final scores or built an insurmountable lead a la the Broncos game) and 6 non-blowout games.

    Points allowed in blowouts: 13, 28, 21, 7, 24, 19, 14. Average: 18 pts/gm

    Points allowed in contested games or losses: 20, 31, 24, 26, 31, 16. Average: 24.7 pts/gm

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatsFanTX View Post
    Gotta love Jets fans.

    BB has the 2nd youngest defense in the NFL and they lead the entire league in forced turnovers.

    Yea, BB has no clue what to do on the defensive side of the ball.
    Belichick isn't lousy. He's just not good... Nothing wrong with being average.

    The fact that he hasn't won in several years despite having the best QB of this generation is the best example of that. As well as those defensive rankings...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenReaper View Post
    Its a typo.

    Should be 12 sacks...+ the 10...= 22 sacks for the Jets so far this season.
    It is more impotent as how we are getting these sacks. We aren't just using out OLB for pressure anymore. Our MLBs and CBs have seen a lot more blit packages. I guess Rex figures if his OLB can't blitz and his ILB can't cover reverse the roles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsfan1983 View Post
    Belichick isn't lousy. He's just not good... Nothing wrong with being average.

    The fact that he hasn't won in several years despite having the best QB of this generation is the best example of that. As well as those defensive rankings...
    Maybe someday people will understand that the NFL playoffs is ridiculously high variance and that winning Super Bowls, even with Hall of Fame QBs, is really, really hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsfan1983 View Post
    Belichick isn't lousy. He's just not good... Nothing wrong with being average.

    The fact that he hasn't won in several years despite having the best QB of this generation is the best example of that. As well as those defensive rankings...
    Not even sure why he advances the argument of them being young as a good thing. Most of the guys the Pats have drafted on D lately have busted anyway. Young and bad is still bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASG0531 View Post
    Maybe someday people will understand that the NFL playoffs is ridiculously high variance and that winning Super Bowls, even with Hall of Fame QBs, is really, really hard.
    Almost too high variance of late. Hate seeing mediocre regular season teams like the Giants take home the crown. NFL regular season is supposed to be the most meaningful in sports because it is only 16 games. When teams like the Giants win, it takes away from that. Not good for the sport. Say what you will about the NBA, but the best team always seems to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlickBri481 View Post
    Most of the guys the Pats have drafted on D lately have busted anyway. Young and bad is still bad.
    Mayo
    Spikes
    Jones
    Hightower
    Wislon
    McCourty
    Dennard

    Busts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsfan1983 View Post
    Belichick isn't lousy. He's just not good... Nothing wrong with being average.

    The fact that he hasn't won in several years despite having the best QB of this generation is the best example of that. As well as those defensive rankings...
    Please tell me you're fishin' and not serious.

    9 out of 11 years he's won the division. His only losing season as a Pats* coach was 2000, his first year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlickBri481 View Post
    Almost too high variance of late. Hate seeing mediocre regular season teams like the Giants take home the crown. NFL regular season is supposed to be the most meaningful in sports because it is only 16 games. When teams like the Giants win, it takes away from that. Not good for the sport. Say what you will about the NBA, but the best team always seems to win.
    If anything, it's great for the sport because it gives so many teams hope (the Jets especially). The best team always winning is very boring for the sport. The NFL today is all about game-to-game matchups. The Giants just happen to matchup extremely well against elite spread offenses and have been able to take them down in the playoffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsfan1983 View Post
    Easy to understand, hard to actually do. QB's aren't exactly easy to get. And I mean good QBs, not the Alex Smith's of the world.
    Which is why extending Sanchez above all else should cost Tannenbaum his job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatsFanTX View Post
    Gotta love Jets fans.

    BB has the 2nd youngest defense in the NFL and they lead the entire league in forced turnovers.

    Yea, BB has no clue what to do on the defensive side of the ball.
    Which is why you aren't a serious SB contender this year.

    Draft a corner, slowly phase him in, Jones and Hightower will be better next year.

    Next year you will be, but you will have an early exit from the playoffs this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMarsico9 View Post
    Which is why extending Sanchez above all else should cost Tannenbaum his job.
    They took a huge chance and lost... If Sanchez grew similar to how Eli did, it was genius because you get a very good QB at a very tolerable contract. Considering Sanchez' age, there was some reason to think that he could get better.

    But yes... Unfortunately they missed badly and Tannenbaum should be the fall guy for it. He has the final say regarding personnel (although Rex absolutely had input) so he has to take the majority of the blame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chesapeakejet View Post
    Please tell me you're fishin' and not serious.

    9 out of 11 years he's won the division. His only losing season as a Pats* coach was 2000, his first year.
    It was a response in regards to him purely as a defensive coach. OVerall as a head coach, I'd put him in a very good group. Not great though...

    I think he is no different to a group of guys like Andy Reid, Jeff Fisher, Ken Whisenhunt. The only difference is he got lucky with a once in a lifetime QB.


    The coaches who truly should amaze people are the likes of Jim Harbaugh. Had a bleh QB last year and should have been in the super bowl. Same with Rex the two previous years.

    And that is what made Parcells so great... Didn't always have a great QB, but still managed to make it extremely far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatsFanTX View Post
    Mayo
    Spikes
    Jones
    Hightower
    Wislon
    McCourty
    Dennard

    Busts?
    Probably equal to the combination of:

    Bruschi
    Willfork
    Harrison
    Law
    Milloy
    Signals intercept, video recording and signal jamming apparatus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsfan1983 View Post
    It was a response in regards to him purely as a defensive coach. OVerall as a head coach, I'd put him in a very good group. Not great though...

    I think he is no different to a group of guys like Andy Reid, Jeff Fisher, Ken Whisenhunt. The only difference is he got lucky with a once in a lifetime QB.


    The coaches who truly should amaze people are the likes of Jim Harbaugh. Had a bleh QB last year and should have been in the super bowl. Same with Rex the two previous years.

    And that is what made Parcells so great... Didn't always have a great QB, but still managed to make it extremely far.
    Jim Harbaugh inherited a team with years of first round picks on defense. It's to his credit to coach them up but comparing them to the Pats, which were produced from lower-round picks for a decade, is a bit misleading.

    If you really want to compare coaches, ask yourself if Belichick could have done better than Rex in his '09-'10 years. And then if Rex could have done better with the Pats in the last few years.

    I guess you can assume he has a Pats' offensive coordinator, bc he wouldn't have known what the hell to do with Brady.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsfan1983 View Post
    The fact that this team will finish around 500 with one of the worst QB's in the league is amazing... Rex and everyone deserve credit for that.

    The fact that they had a bottom 5 QB in the league for the 3 years prior and finished with good records is another example.


    The Jets have a good coach... He hung in there too long with Sanchez, but all coaches struggle finding a QB.
    GREAT POST!

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