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    Newsday: Assessing Mark Sanchez: Experts don't pull any punches

    Everyone has an opinion on NFL quarterbacks; former NFL quarterbacks now working in television are no exception. So Newsday turned to some of them for insight into the biggest issue facing the Jets: Mark Sanchez's abilities, or lack thereof.

    They helped us break his game into key components, without ignoring the larger question hovering over the franchise. That is, in his fourth season, is Sanchez on track to someday be a Super Bowl-winning quarterback?

    "No, no,'' said Rich Gannon, an analyst for CBS games and CBS Sports Network's "NFL Monday QB'' who worked with Sanchez two offseasons ago. "How could you say that? People say, 'Well, he took them to two AFC Championship Games.' But look at that football team and how much better they were than they are now.''

    Hence another general consensus regarding Sanchez - that while he has limitations, the Jets have not helped him overcome them with a strong supporting cast and/or a scheme that suits him.

    "I don't think there's been much improvement the last couple of years; I think that is the most concerning thing,'' ESPN analyst Trent Dilfer said. "I think he's culpable for much of that, but it's also circumstantial . . . It's sad when you look back at the missed potential.''

    Said ESPN analyst Ron Jaworski: "Right now, it's a mess, for a number of reasons.''

    Let's break them down, shall we?

    ARM STRENGTH
    It isn't everything, but as in baseball pitching and javelin throwing, it helps and it can minimize other deficiencies. In Sanchez's case, it is plenty good enough.

    Tim Hasselbeck: "From a physical standpoint of being able to make every throw, able to get the ball out of your hand quickly, work a hard play-action pass, push the ball down the field, there is no question he's more than sufficient in that area. I think he has above-average arm strength.

    "There are more accomplished players either currently playing or who played in the past that don't play with the amount of arm strength that Mark possesses.''

    Trent Dilfer: "He never had a great arm, probably a very average NFL arm, which is enough if you build an offense that maximizes other aspects of his game.''

    Ron Jaworski: "Mark, in my opinion, was never going to be a great quarterback. He doesn't have the Aaron Rodgers-type skill set to throw the football, those 'wow' types of throws. That being said, his arm is good enough.

    "Arm strength is so critical now as the game continues to progress because of the multiple defensive backs on the field, guys who react to throws a lot faster.''

    Rich Gannon: "I think you look at his athleticism in and out of the pocket, his maneuverability, his arm strength, those types of things, I don't think that's an issue at all.''

    ACCURACY
    Throwing with authority is essential, but so is throwing in the proper direction, especially in today's high-completion-percentage NFL. Sanchez's statistics in that category have been poor.

    Rich Gannon: "His completion percentage still bothers you. He still misses throws, still makes mistakes. There is such a fine line in our business between 8-8 and 11-5.

    "The difference between even 7-9 and 11-5 could be six or eight plays in the course of a season. It seems like every game he has six or eight plays that hold him back.''

    Trent Dilfer: "His lack of accuracy in my opinion is because of his indecisiveness. He's been very indecisive and allowed the demons on his shoulder to grow and become too loud. I know it because I lived it.''

    Tim Hasselbeck: "I would put him in the middle of the road at best, probably a little bit under that. In fairness to him, especially this season, part of being accurate is having guys that can catch the ball out of the framework of their body.''

    Dan Fouts: "He's very accurate on the run, so I think that's a positive.''

    MOBILITY
    Not everyone can be Robert Griffin III, but not everyone has to be to succeed. That means you, Eli Manning! But being able to escape pressure always is a plus, especially if you can throw on the run. Sanchez can.

    Dan Fouts: "I have always thought he was better moving out of the pocket. That was his strength when he came out of USC.''

    Trent Dilfer: "I think his mobility hasn't been used well. Here's a guy who when he came out he threw the ball on the run and from multiple launch points as accurately as I'd seen in a college player. How often do you see that in this system?

    "Most of his signature plays have been second-reaction plays, where his athleticism has been allowed to come out in him. It's a choppy system, at best. It's inexcusable not to use that aspect of his game.''

    Tim Hasselbeck: "When they move him around he's at his best, no question about it. I don't know they necessarily have done enough of that.''

    Ron Jaworski: "I've always liked his ability in the red zone, and a lot of that was his movement within the pocket.''

    HEAD
    Most of us don't have to make rational, split-second decisions with 300-pound men preparing to knock us over. But NFL quarterbacks must, and some handle it better than others. Sanchez? Meh.

    Rich Gannon: "You watch him and see things that you don't see happen to [Peyton] Manning and [Tom] Brady and [Drew] Brees and these other guys. Why didn't he see the corner blitz? Why didn't he see the safety?''

    Tim Hasselbeck: "There are streaks and moments throughout seasons, games, periods where you look at him and say, 'Wow, this guy is rolling, he's seeing it, he's making good decisions, it's not moving too fast for him.'

    "But there are other moments like what I saw from [the Titans'] Jake Locker, who this past week threw two of the worst interceptions of the season by a starter. Those types of things have been somewhat commonplace for Mark.

    "It's not always him, though. When you have someone else make a mistake it can make you look like a bozo who's made a mistake. There has been significant level of that this year.

    "He's a better athlete than Eli [Manning] by a mile, but Eli is smarter. The Giants ask Eli to do a lot at the line of scrimmage, but it doesn't bog Eli down. It doesn't feel like he's getting a pop quiz at the line . . . The Jets would be better off calling a play and letting Mark's athleticism take over.''

    Ron Jaworski: "It's obvious to me he's lost his confidence and it's almost baffling when I think back to those first couple of seasons of playoff teams . . .

    He made throws that were helping his team win games, playing with confidence. To see where he is right now, it's a head-scratcher.''

    Steve Beuerlein: "Part of the job of being a quarterback - especially in the Big Apple - is being able to deal with people critiquing you all the time. Some people handle it well, others don't. Mark may very well be much more confident than it looks like he is. But when so many people are saying the same thing - and we're not saying it because we don't like him. We're just giving our analysis of what we see and what we believe. And when you see him, he just doesn't look like he's overly confident right now."

    INTANGIBLES
    There were those who questioned Sanchez's fortitude even before the Jets put him in an awkward position by first wooing Peyton Manning, then trading for Tim Tebow. Now there are more questions than ever, including whether he can elevate those around him.

    Trent Dilfer: "I think he's done great job publicly of handling everything since Tebow come on board . . . What I would have liked to have seen was if he finally would have just lit into somebody and said, 'You're kidding me!'''

    Rich Gannon: "I think in hindsight it was a really poor decision. Just look at the fact we did the first game of the season and we had to speak to both Tim Tebow and Mark Sanchez [in production meetings]. I mean, who does that?''

    Phil Simms: "He gets judged on the big numbers and big plays, but he's going to get four or five opportunities in the game to do that and Tom Brady is going to have maybe as many as 30. Brady is going to make more plays because that's what they do. I'm just saying [Sanchez's game] is OK. I'm not going to say it's great. It's some pretty tough circumstance, so you have to be careful how you judge him . . . You built the team for the defense to be dominant and for the run game to supplement the defense and then the quarterback has to be sure to take advantage of the opportunities that are presented.

    "Everything the Colts do is about making Andrew Luck a better player and building around him. Never have the Jets said, 'We're going to do all this for Mark Sanchez.' For the Giants it's always been about Eli, from the day they drafted him."

    Kurt Warner: "I can't think back to those signature games for Mark Sanchez where you go: 'Man, I remember that game when they couldn't do anything and we put the ball in Mark Sanchez's hands and he took over the game and won for us.'

    "In this business that's what you need at the quarterback position: If you're consistently going to win and win championships you've got to have a guy you can hand the ball and say, 'We need you to win this game for us,' and they have to be able to go out and do it."

    Ron Jaworski: "I don't think it's time to move to Plan B yet, but I think they're running out of time.''

    So, will Sanchez get another chance in 2013? Said Fouts, laughing: "I think there are eight million reasons to play him.'' By "reasons,'' of course, he meant "dollars,'' as in the money the Jets owe him regardless.

    With Kimberley Martin
    The Panel
    Steve Beuerlein: CBS analyst, played for six teams in 17-year NFL career, led league with 4,436 yards passing in 1999
    Trent Dilfer: ESPN analyst won Super Bowl XXV over Giants for Ravens, one of his five NFL teams
    Dan Fouts: CBS analyst spent 15 seasons with Chargers; member of Pro Football Hall of Fame
    Rich Gannon: CBS analyst spent 17 seasons in NFL with four teams and was NFL MVP for the Raiders in 2002
    Tim Hasselbeck: ESPN analyst spent time with eight NFL teams, including Giants
    Ron Jaworski: ESPN analyst spent 17 seasons in NFL with four teams, leading Eagles to Super Bowl after 1980 season; started 116 consecutive regular-season games
    Phil Simms: CBS analyst, Super Bowl XXI MVP for Giants against Broncos
    Kurt Warner: NFL Network analyst was NFL MVP in 1999 and 2001 for Rams; played for Giants in 2004

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/footba...ches-1.4338335
    Last edited by C Mart; 12-16-2012 at 09:00 AM.

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    The overall feeling I get from this article is the jets didn't Do a good job in developing Sanchez ..
    From scheme ,personal , tebow ect..

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    Phil Simms: "You built the team for the defense to be dominant and for the run game to supplement the defense.

    Everything the Colts do is about making Andrew Luck a better player and building around him. For the Giants it's always been about Eli, from the day they drafted him. Never have the Jets said, 'We're going to do all this for Mark Sanchez.'"

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAR I View Post
    Phil Simms: "You built the team for the defense to be dominant and for the run game to supplement the defense.

    Everything the Colts do is about making Andrew Luck a better player and building around him. For the Giants it's always been about Eli, from the day they drafted him. Never have the Jets said, 'We're going to do all this for Mark Sanchez.'"

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    In 8 drafts since getting Eli the giants have selected TWO offensive players in the first round.

    Pretty clear the above statement is someones opinion based on zero facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAR I View Post
    Phil Simms: "You built the team for the defense to be dominant and for the run game to supplement the defense.

    Everything the Colts do is about making Andrew Luck a better player and building around him. For the Giants it's always been about Eli, from the day they drafted him. Never have the Jets said, 'We're going to do all this for Mark Sanchez.'"

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    The problem is that building a team around Sanchez not advisable. He is terrible. BUST. Jets need to cut their losses and move on.

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    Buttchese is done

    Face it, he does not have the skills, the brains, leadership and the guts. No new HC or OC or QB can teach him those things. Only a brain transplant can and that is medically impossible. Try Greg in the starting position. If he does not work out then draft a QB. I doubt that we will get a good FA QB. No good QB wants to work for this dog and pony circus. Case in point, Peyton would not return the team's calls last year.
    Last edited by Stillafan; 12-16-2012 at 09:33 AM.

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    Sanchez was doomed from the day he was drafted. Young qb with minimal experience coming out, he needed a good coaching staff around him.
    With Cavanaugh in place and Schotty, Mark was in trouble.
    Cavanaugh is still in the building.

    The Jets have failed miserably with this kid.

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    Decision making, awareness, accuracy and the ability (or lack thereof) to handle adversity. And I think he mobility is nowhere near what it used to be. He has not been nearly as effective or accurate throwing on the move the past two years as he was in the beginning of his career.

    His ceiling is being a game manager.

    66 game sample size.

    Kurt Warner: "I can't think back to those signature games for Mark Sanchez where you go: 'Man, I remember that game when they couldn't do anything and we put the ball in Mark Sanchez's hands and he took over the game and won for us.'
    I can think of 2 out of 66. (2010 Houston and NE playoff) Not nearly enough. And in neither of those did he "carry the team" the entire game. Neither of those games did I walk away saying that Sanchez was the best player on the field and unquestionably the reason why the Jets won.
    Last edited by DDNYjets; 12-16-2012 at 09:41 AM.

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    <Kurt Warner: "I can't think back to those signature games for Mark Sanchez where you go: 'Man, I remember that game when they couldn't do anything and we put the ball in Mark Sanchez's hands and he took over the game and won for us.'>

    I don't think this is fully accurate. In 2010 his throw to Holmes in corner of EZ in NE playoffs was big time throw. Also made big throws to Holmes in Detroit game, to Braylon in Houston game and in Indy playoff game in 2009.

    EDIT: On reflection Warner's statement about not taking over the game is right. You never see Sanchez do that.

    No, I'm not saying MS's Aaron Rodgers. Just that Warner's memory's a bit limited.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DDNYjets View Post
    Decision making, awareness, accuracy and the ability (or lack thereof) to handle adversity. And I think he mobility is nowhere near what it used to be. He has not been nearly as effective or accurate throwing on the move the past two years as he was in the beginning of his career.

    His ceiling is being a game manager.

    66 game sample size.
    And reality is that this year he's NOT being that. He has not managed games well at all, perhaps with only a couple of exceptions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYJ37/12 View Post
    Sanchez was doomed from the day he was drafted. Young qb with minimal experience coming out, he needed a good coaching staff around him.
    With Cavanaugh in place and Schotty, Mark was in trouble.
    Cavanaugh is still in the building.

    The Jets have failed miserably with this kid.
    Agree...But Rex deserves blame too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stillafan View Post
    Face it, he does not have the skills, the brains, leadership and the guts.
    Well said, he is the worst starting QB in the NFL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J-Diddy View Post
    The problem is that building a team around Sanchez not advisable. He is terrible. BUST. Jets need to cut their losses and move on.
    Wonder if JETS management and ownership reads this.... They should.
    Last edited by southparkcpa; 12-16-2012 at 09:49 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mart View Post
    Agree...But Rex deserves blame too
    Absolutely. Defensive coaches and young qb's generally dont mix well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglenj View Post
    In 8 drafts since getting Eli the giants have selected TWO offensive players in the first round.

    Pretty clear the above statement is someones opinion based on zero facts.
    What is clear is that the Giants have a better supporting cast on offense. BTW the Jets haven't drafted a offensive player in the first round since Sanchez.

    The OL line play for the Giants has been much more consistent, which helps their running and passing game.

    Though we have two all pros on the line, overall our talent is much less consistent than the Giants. Is that talent, coaching, offensive scheme? Probably a little of all those things.
    Last edited by Long Suffering Jets Fan; 12-16-2012 at 10:35 AM. Reason: Grammatical

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglenj View Post
    In 8 drafts since getting Eli the giants have selected TWO offensive players in the first round.

    Pretty clear the above statement is someones opinion based on zero facts.
    Look at the GIANTS carefully. They draft extremely well. 1st round doesn't dictate their strategy in all cases. They have drafted plenty of players in rounds 2 to 7 that are solid offensive players. BUT more importantly..they dont have the busts or mediocrity we have. Whether that is development issues or lack of real research is debatable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYJ37/12 View Post
    Absolutely. Defensive coaches and young qb's generally dont mix well.
    I don't know why you say that. To me it is the effectiveness of the OC and the qb coach and not the dead coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J-Diddy View Post
    The problem is that building a team around Sanchez not advisable. He is terrible. BUST. Jets need to cut their losses and move on.
    Did you read the article? or are you too blinded by your hate for Sanchez to see what the consensus is amongst some pretty knowledgeable folks regarding Mark Sanchez. They are saying, he has all the tools, but a very limited supporting cast. His major issue is lack of confidence.

    I think that folks of your ilk get more excited by constant change rather than putting this team on a path to be a consistent winner. Unfortunately in my view this has been a major issue for this team since we won our last super bowl 40+ years ago.
    Last edited by Long Suffering Jets Fan; 12-16-2012 at 10:26 AM. Reason: Clarification

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    Quote Originally Posted by patman View Post
    I don't know why you say that. To me it is the effectiveness of the OC and the qb coach and not the dead coach.
    You've nailed the problem. Teams with dead coaches have trouble relating to players

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    Quote Originally Posted by patman View Post
    I don't know why you say that. To me it is the effectiveness of the OC and the qb coach and not the dead coach.
    In the case of your team, it does not apply.

    In most cases, a defensive minded head coach will not be offensive friendly in their game planning approach. This is not my opinion, but a known fact.

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