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    Quote Originally Posted by sec.101row23 View Post
    The Jets made a critical error in not drafting a QB in last years draft. It was by all accounts a very good year for QBs, as is being proved out on the field now. Look at the QBs drafted and then look at the starter that was in place, you will see that teams with MUCH better starting QBs than Sanchez addressed the QB position. Broncos drafted Ossweiler in the second with Manning as starter, Redskins drafted Cousins in the 4th after giving up a fortune to draft RGIII, Seahawks drafted Wilson after giving Flynn big money, Eagles drafted Foles even though they were paying Vick a ton of money. Instead the Jets opted to trade for Tebow.
    Great post. Shows how lost our organization is right now when it comes to the QB position. The Tebow move really says it all. Although as others have said, even if we had drafted any of the guys you mentioned, Rex would probably have them in street clothes now and have brought in 48 year old Vinny to be gameday back-up to Sanchez.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sec.101row23 View Post
    The Jets made a critical error in not drafting a QB in last years draft. It was by all accounts a very good year for QBs, as is being proved out on the field now. Look at the QBs drafted and then look at the starter that was in place, you will see that teams with MUCH better starting QBs than Sanchez addressed the QB position. Broncos drafted Ossweiler in the second with Manning as starter, Redskins drafted Cousins in the 4th after giving up a fortune to draft RGIII, Seahawks drafted Wilson after giving Flynn big money, Eagles drafted Foles even though they were paying Vick a ton of money. Instead the Jets opted to trade for Tebow.

    A good GM would recognize the opportunity for the QB crop in a draft like this and make a move.

    Our GM is bad so he didn't. Our head coach didn't because he breaks out in hives whenever offense is brought up.

    Our Owner insisted on getting Tim Tebow.

    This is a very poorly planned and run front office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe W. Namath View Post
    We have 7 draft picks every year. There is no reason we cannot spend 1 of those on a qb in every draft until we find the right guy.
    Tannenbaum has seen Sanchez win a lot of games for us. Just ask him. Hence his logic is throw the guy money and never bring in another decent QB

    If Mike T is still here, don't expect us to draft another QB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsfan1983 View Post
    Who the hell cares how good they are if they can't win a super bowl?

    Tannehill is not winning a super bowl.

    Stafford isn't.

    Cousins is far from a franchise QB and it's really annoying that people throw that term around so much.

    Kaepernick has huge flaws and probably won't win a super bowl. Only reason he has a chance is the fact that Frisco is littered with All-pros. Same reason Alex Smith sucks but had a chance with that team.

    Seems like every year there are some suckers who get worked up about some of the young guys in the league, yet every year it's the same guys winning the super bowl... Eli, Peyton, Brady, or Rodgers.
    Stafford isn't because he is on a bad team. Tannehill at least has the Dolphins showing a pulse.

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    Kaepernick is not a rookie

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    It's ridiculous that the Jets have gone so long without a legit franchise QB. And a team like the Colts goes from Manning right to Luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnysd View Post
    I think 2012 may be looked back on as a transition year, and the 2012 draft as one with similarities to 83.

    Wilson, Luck and RG3 will be staples for many years. Personally I think Wilson is the best QB of the three but Luck and RG3 get all the attention

    Kaepernick has a breakout season.

    Tannehill looks good.

    Kirk Cousins will be a franchise QB for someone some day, maybe even Washington

    That said, I think that RG3, Wilson and Kaepernick and Cam Newton will change QB'ing for a while.

    I think the NFL option and variants such as the pistol and that triangle formation that 49ers have is here to stay because it is run to pass as much as run. The college triple option cannot work, but the NFL version run by Wilson, RG3 and Kaepernick is so hard to defend because they are such good passers. The wildcat, and college triple option was just to run and can be defended by blitzing and proper gap coverage. Do that against these 3 and they eat you alive in the pass.

    Wilson today was unstoppable. He improves pretty dramatically each week it seems and he can beat you in every way possible. Yes he has Marshawn Lynch but I think he is the best pocket passer of the bunch, even over Luck and he kills you throwing on the run, keeping plays alive and running when needed.

    Unfortunately none of these guys are on the Jets.
    Tim Tebow - punt protector extraordinaire!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlickBri481 View Post
    The Tebow move really says it all.
    No, the Tebow move and not playing him while the worst QB in football disgraces the team week after week says it all.

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    We need to draft a QB every year until we find one.

    Take one high and then if it isn't obvious he is the future after year one take one late in the next draft. If after two years you aren't sold then take one high again.

    We need a QB. We are going nowhere without one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    It sucks that we, yet again, have the worst of the worst of the young crop of recent high-potential QB's in Sanchez. He's not even Ken O'Brien.
    The two quarterbacks don't belong in the same sentence. K O'B had tremendous upside, when conditions were right he outdueled Marino. Similar to Sanchez, K O'B's problems started when conditions weren't right, could have used his skills in '09/'10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDNYjets View Post
    We need to draft a QB every year until we find one.

    Take one high and then if it isn't obvious he is the future after year one take one late in the next draft. If after two years you aren't sold then take one high again.

    We need a QB. We are going nowhere without one.
    LOts of good posts the last few days/weeks talking about how poorly we developed mark.

    That said.... name a QB that would succeed under these circumstances. Kaepernicke has a LOT of flare and game. But we have below average weapons as well.

    Point being...we need to fix a lot, not just QB.

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    While the tebow fiasco was an atrocious move by our FO, I am so tired of people saying we havent given mark enough to work with.

    We have more rushing yeards then Green Bay, Denver, Indy, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, and atlanta....all teams with a better record then we have.

    Our defense, depending on whose metrics you use, falls somewhere in the top 5-12.

    Our offensive line was just ranked 4th overall by Pro Football Focus.

    Now, our Receivers, without holmes and keller the group is terrible and would be considered a reason for sanchez being terrible, IF he was good in other years.

    Whether we had bad, mediocore or good WRs he has still been a below average QB. The FO went out and got braylon and santonio holmes....but it didnt help. When we had both those players, along with cotchery and LT, he threw 17 tds and 13 picks. Without them this year, he has 12 tds and 13 picks.

    It is the QBs job to make the players around him better and our guy cant do that. There are 4 years of statistical evidence, with 2 different OCs, and MANY different WRs to show that he cant get it done. Its no ones fault but his

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDNYjets View Post
    We need to draft a QB every year until we find one.

    Take one high and then if it isn't obvious he is the future after year one take one late in the next draft. If after two years you aren't sold then take one high again.

    We need a QB. We are going nowhere without one.
    I've been an advocate of this strategy ever since the rookie cap came into place. The fact that you no longer have to pay these guys a ton of money right out of the gate makes this philosophy even more imperative. Sanchez might have a very different career if he didn't come out when the rookie deals were huge. He has hamstrung the Jets. There aren't a lot of players in the league with a worse dollars-to-productivity ratio.
    Last edited by ASG0531; 12-17-2012 at 01:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglenj View Post
    While the tebow fiasco was an atrocious move by our FO, I am so tired of people saying we havent given mark enough to work with.

    We have more rushing yeards then Green Bay, Denver, Indy, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, and atlanta....all teams with a better record then we have.

    Our defense, depending on whose metrics you use, falls somewhere in the top 5-12.

    Our offensive line was just ranked 4th overall by Pro Football Focus.

    Now, our Receivers, without holmes and keller the group is terrible and would be considered a reason for sanchez being terrible, IF he was good in other years.

    Whether we had bad, mediocore or good WRs he has still been a below average QB. The FO went out and got braylon and santonio holmes....but it didnt help. When we had both those players, along with cotchery and LT, he threw 17 tds and 13 picks. Without them this year, he has 12 tds and 13 picks.

    It is the QBs job to make the players around him better and our guy cant do that. There are 4 years of statistical evidence, with 2 different OCs, and MANY different WRs to show that he cant get it done. Its no ones fault but his
    Those teams you listed are all passing teams now. The Jets only "rank" higher than them because they run the ball so much more than those teams. The Jets YPC is near the bottom of the league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglenj View Post
    While the tebow fiasco was an atrocious move by our FO, I am so tired of people saying we havent given mark enough to work with.

    We have more rushing yeards then Green Bay, Denver, Indy, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, and atlanta....all teams with a better record then we have.

    Our defense, depending on whose metrics you use, falls somewhere in the top 5-12.

    Our offensive line was just ranked 4th overall by Pro Football Focus.

    Now, our Receivers, without holmes and keller the group is terrible and would be considered a reason for sanchez being terrible, IF he was good in other years.

    Whether we had bad, mediocore or good WRs he has still been a below average QB. The FO went out and got braylon and santonio holmes....but it didnt help. When we had both those players, along with cotchery and LT, he threw 17 tds and 13 picks. Without them this year, he has 12 tds and 13 picks.

    It is the QBs job to make the players around him better and our guy cant do that. There are 4 years of statistical evidence, with 2 different OCs, and MANY different WRs to show that he cant get it done. Its no ones fault but his
    Don't want to see him take another snap. I've never felt comfortable watching him drop back just once in all 4 years.

    Just remind yourself, all the Jets need is a QB that is statistically AVERAGE and they're basically a play-off team. Hopefully the next one will finally be a Franchise one, but AVERAGE makes them very competitive. Which makes you sick that Sanchez was picked at #5.

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    the biggest problem with tannenbaum is that he never admits a mistake. they kept gholston around way too long. they keep feeding greene the ball even though he's been called out this year as being stiff and slow. tanny keeps saying how ducasse is progressing, yet he can't crack the starting lineup. and then there's sanchez.

    from tannenbaum's perspective, drafting a qb in the first few rounds would be an admission that sanchez isn't the answer, which would call into question his remaining gm. he doesn't see that if he drafts a better qb he can save his job and rep. he'd rather keep saying nice things about sanchez and go down with the sinking ship.

    i read somewhere that bradway was begging the jets to draft russell wilson. why wasn't that a strong consideration? who cares if they just traded for tebow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by augustiniak View Post
    the biggest problem with tannenbaum is that he never admits a mistake. they kept gholston around way too long. they keep feeding greene the ball even though he's been called out this year as being stiff and slow. tanny keeps saying how ducasse is progressing, yet he can't crack the starting lineup. and then there's sanchez.

    from tannenbaum's perspective, drafting a qb in the first few rounds would be an admission that sanchez isn't the answer, which would call into question his remaining gm. he doesn't see that if he drafts a better qb he can save his job and rep. he'd rather keep saying nice things about sanchez and go down with the sinking ship.

    i read somewhere that bradway was begging the jets to draft russell wilson. why wasn't that a strong consideration? who cares if they just traded for tebow.
    Wilson would have been the #3 and inactive this past week if the Jets had drafted him. Sad but true. His career would have been ruined before it started by this organization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlickBri481 View Post
    Wilson would have been the #3 and inactive this past week if the Jets had drafted him. Sad but true. His career would have been ruined before it started by this organization.
    And *this* would be the root of the problem.


    This is the same organization that sat McElroy after he helped lead the Jets to a victory after the starting QB(Mark) stunk up the joint...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrcoops View Post
    Looks like Bradway was right to love Wilson in the draft. Pity the Jets didn't have the opportunity to pick him. Would we have taken him in the 3rd if we had had the chance? Doubtful after the Tebow trade. This team is truly snake-bitten.
    Even if we did take him Sanchez would still be starting and we wouldn't even know it.

    heck, McElroy could be a quality NFL QB - we just don't know because Sanchez gives them the best chance to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southparkcpa View Post
    LOts of good posts the last few days/weeks talking about how poorly we developed mark.

    That said.... name a QB that would succeed under these circumstances. Kaepernicke has a LOT of flare and game. But we have below average weapons as well.

    Point being...we need to fix a lot, not just QB.

    QB changes everything. You can put any collection in front of guys like Brady and Manning and it really doesn't matter. They are going to make them good and they are going to win games.

    Kaepernick doesn't even count because the guy is playing behind countless all-pros. that said, he still has huge flaws that will keep him from winning a super bow.. That hitch in his delivery is a killer... He'll never be an extremely productive passer because of it. No matter how hard you can throw a ball, it's useless when the defenders have that extra second to realize what you are doing.



    Just keep swinging at the Pinata. Keep acquiring QB's until you think you really have one. It's just the way to go today.

    People who blame Rex and Tanny need to be realistic... It's difficult to evaluate a QB. Parcells was the best this game ever seen and he's still the same guy who had Foley starting over Vinny after an entire training camp and he's also the same guy who had Mirer starting for countless games while the team's playoff hopes evaporated. He's the best and it was even tough for him.

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