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    Quote Originally Posted by kennyo7 View Post
    Tom Heckert has a pretty good track record with the Dolphins and Eagles.
    Hes only been with the Browns since 2010 and has picked some pretty good players- Joe Haden, TJ Ward, Phil Taylor, Trent Richardson, Greg Little, Jabaal Sheard, Mitchel Schwartz, Shawn Lauvao..just to name a few.

    Do the Browns still suck? Yes, but not because of Heckert's picks
    He also took WR Josh Gordon in this yrs supplemental for a 2nd. I've heard Kirwan say Gordon would be the 1st WR taken in this yrs draft if he stayed in

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    Heckert prefers to build a team thru the draft instead of signing over priced free agents; isn't that what Jets fans should want if they want sustained success instead of a short term fix?

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    No different offensive coordinator...

    Sparano is fine, this year is on the QB. Running game was good, blocking was good according to the unbiased PFF. Clear to the naked eye there was some open guys but Sanchez just couldn't throw them the ball.

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    Fck no.

    I've watched the browns this year. His playcalling would make future brain shotty roller over in his grave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsfan1983 View Post
    No different offensive coordinator...

    Sparano is fine, this year is on the QB. Running game was good, blocking was good according to the unbiased PFF. Clear to the naked eye there was some open guys but Sanchez just couldn't throw them the ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Swanson View Post
    Oh my god no. Shurmur's playcalling and in-game personnel management have been atrocious. I want no part of a guy who replaces Trent Richardson with Chris Ogbanaya at any point in a game.
    Richardson was top 10 in carries per game and 3 per game behind the best RB in the NFL Adrian Peterson. Every RB comes out of the game at some point. And lets not act like Richardson was great this year, he averaged 3.6 yds per carry. That's barely good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paradis View Post
    Fck no.

    I've watched the browns this year. His playcalling would make future brain shotty roller over in his grave.
    What OC calls plays that fans ever agree with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Choon328 View Post
    Richardson was top 10 in carries per game and 3 per game behind the best RB in the NFL Adrian Peterson. Every RB comes out of the game at some point. And lets not act like Richardson was great this year, he averaged 3.6 yds per carry. That's barely good.
    Exactly... Just sounds like someone is annoyed with their fantasy team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paradis View Post
    Fck no.

    I've watched the browns this year. His playcalling would make future brain shotty roller over in his grave.
    Paradis,

    You have been posting consistently, at least going back since last year IIRC, the Jets need to draft a playmaking WR. Our offensive philosphy needs a complete overhaul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetinHuntersville View Post
    Who is he coaching now? Schitty is OC at St. Louis.
    He coached that one year in St. Louis and then got the Browns head coaching gig. He is one bad GM decision away (not trading up for RG3) from having a top 10 offense and a better record.

  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by C Mart View Post
    Agree. If you want to bring in Holmgren as the top guy overseeing all football related things I'm OK with that too. Just like what was in place in Cleveland before the recent ownership change.

    Nothing wrong with having a Holmgren in the building to offer QB developing tips.
    Holmgren ran Seattle and Cleveland into the ground both teams forced him out. he was a solid coach in Greenbay but that the result of having Ron Wolf as your GM. Holmgren isn't GM material.

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    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...rk-jets-savior

    this is interesting.. funny the article didn mentioned Tuna recommended MT to be promoted and for the hiring of Sparano, the two guys who are highly likely to be canned for doing poor jobs..

  13. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by nyjets1969 View Post
    Holmgren ran Seattle and Cleveland into the ground both teams forced him out. he was a solid coach in Greenbay but that the result of having Ron Wolf as your GM. Holmgren isn't GM material.
    I didn't say GM...Heckert would be GM..Cleveland was run in the ground by Mangini/Kokinis..Holmgren/Heckert have been restoring talent to the team..

    Seattle - wasn't he coach & GM? If so, too much on his plate to do both..

    All this said my 1st choice for HC is Jay Gruden.
    Last edited by C Mart; 12-26-2012 at 08:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mart View Post
    I didn't say GM...Heckert would be GM..Cleveland was run in the ground by Mangini/Kokinis..Holmgren/Heckert have been restoring talent to the team..

    Seattle - wasn't he coach & GM? If so, too much on his plate to do both..
    He was, and it was too much on his plate; but when he wasn't the GM, Seattle went to the SB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mart View Post
    What OC calls plays that fans ever agree with.
    Ah c'mon now. Don't take that route. Shumur has been guilty of several documented bed-****tings this and last season. He doesn't demonstrate a sense of understanding how to DICTATE a game. Always reacting.

    Quote Originally Posted by jetssjumets View Post
    Paradis,

    You have been posting consistently, at least going back since last year IIRC, the Jets need to draft a playmaking WR. Our offensive philosphy needs a complete overhaul.
    I been blowing that horn for years. We been trying to cheat drafting one for as long as I can remember. Before we took Hill, 2001 was the last time we spend so much as a 2nd rounder on a WR

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    Unless the Jets can get someone from NO that was directly responsible for the transition Brees made from SD to NO then its a waste and I think Sean Payton is most responsible for that. Brees was a ball control style short passing game qb much like Sanchez was (With less turnovers) when he was in San Diego. If Sanchez is not going anywhere and it seems thanks to that poison pill of a contract that hes not. It makes sense to get someone in here that can try and fix him.

    I believe Norv Turner could help get Sanchez back to playing at a high level. I still think Sanchez's issues are in his head mainly. Maybe a visit to a sports psychologist can help him figure out what the hell is wrong. Still, a guy like Norv who understands the position is way more beneficial to him then another Sparano project offensive coordinator.

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    Pat Shurmur, Tom Heckert expected to be gone by Monday after Cleveland Browns take on Pittsburgh Steelers

    By Mary Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer
    on December 29, 2012 at 7:21 PM, updated

    PITTSBURGH, Pa. - It's become a Browns tradition over the past several years: Close out the season against the Steelers and then watch heads roll within 24 hours after the game.

    Coach Pat Shurmur and general manager Tom Heckert are expected to either be fired or part ways with new owner Jimmy Haslam and new CEO Joe Banner by Monday, league sources told The Plain Dealer.

    It's reminiscent of 2008, when former Browns coach Romeo Crennel and general manager Phil Savage lost their jobs following a 31-0 loss in Pittsburgh. Former Browns coach Eric Mangini suffered the same fate after losing 41-9 to the Steelers in 2010.

    When Haslam agreed to buy the team in August and Banner took over in October, it was almost a foregone conclusion that the two would want to hit the ground running with their own people. Banner made it clear in an interview with The Plain Dealer in November that he had excellent candidates in mind at all positions to take the Browns to a championship level.

    He also stressed that he wouldn't be one to stock the Browns with people he's worked with before, and that he'd rely on all the relationships he'd developed over the years.

    Heading into today's game, Heckert and Shurmur both knew they'd be gone afterward even though they hadn't been informed yet, sources said.

    "Listen, I get this, and my concerns are for my team and making sure that we do all the right things during the game to give our guys the best chance to win,'' said Shurmur, who heads in with a 9-22 record. "That’s where I’m at. We have not won enough football games, and I know that’s the way this things works, but in our situation I see improvement and I’ll leave it at that.''

    In a conference call earlier this month, Banner vowed to make his decisions swiftly after the season. Shurmur and Heckert will either be informed after the game, or sometime Monday morning. That way, Shurmur won't be put in the awkward position of conducting the customary exit interviews with his players.

    “I know what I want to do with the players on Monday from a scheduling standpoint, but nothing has been set as far as any official communication (with the higher-ups) or whatnot,'' Shurmur said Thursday. "Again, my thoughts right now are getting our team to Pittsburgh, playing the game and then getting our team back. Those are the thoughts that I have right now.”

    Shurmur stressed the great job his staff did in developing all the young players on the roster -- 26 with less than two years' experience.

    "We came into a less than ideal situation when we got here,'' said Shurmur. "I’m proud of the work that the guys that I hired did in terms of inspiring the players to improve. It’s a little different thought process when you’re working with so many young ones. There are certain things you’ve got to keep hammering home that when you’ve got a veteran crew, you know you talk about other things.''

    With the ax falling on Monday, the Browns will quickly begin interviewing candidates for both their head coach and GM vacancies, and might have to compete with more than a dozen teams for the hottest candidates. It's not yet known if any members of the coaching staff or personnel department will remain.

    Some of the most coveted coaching candidates include Oregon's Chip Kelly and the following NFL offensive coordinators: Patriots' Josh McDaniels, 49ers' Greg Roman, Colts' Bruce Arians, Denver's Mike McCoy, Falcons' Dirk Koetter, Bengals' Jay Gruden, and Redskins' Kyle Shanahan. On the defensive side, former Browns assistant and Cleveland native Mel Tucker of the Jaguars is expected to draw interest.

    Kelly, the offensive genius with the high-powered scheme and 45-7 record in four years at Oregon, will be coveted by the Panthers and Eagles, among others.

    Then there are always the big-name candidates such former Bucs and Raiders coach Jon Gruden and former Steelers coach Bill Cowher, both of whom have some ties to Haslam. Alabama coach Nick Saban has been linked to the Browns, but sources have told the Plain Dealer that he's staying put.

    From a GM standpoint, multiple reports say Banner will turn to former Browns personnel executive and current NFL Network analyst Mike Lombardi, who worked here with Bill Belichick, to replace Heckert. Others have said Lombardi might have an opportunity with another team.

    Former Browns pro personnel assistant Scott Pioli might be let go in Kansas City along with Crennel, and would be an intriguing prospect. He interviewed here with Randy Lerner for the job that went to Mike Holmgren, and loved his Cleveland days. He's also still close to McDaniels from their Patriots years.

    Other GM candidates that could be on the Browns' radar are the Falcons' David Caldwell, the Bills' Doug Whaley, the Chiefs' Ray Farmer, the Cardinals' Steve Keim and Jason Licht, and the Seahawks' John Idzik.

    Meanwhile, the Browns players were bracing themselves for the looming changes.

    "You try not to bring it up,'' said linebacker D'Qwell Jackson. "If anything, you want the day to go by a little slower. You want to enjoy these last few days if that’s the case. It hasn’t been talked about, but you can tell it’s a sense of urgency there. And our coaches do a great job of not wearing their emotions on their sleeve. If they are down, and they’ve got a million things to think about. They’ve got kids here that go to school, they have a house here. It’s a tough transition for the family, let alone themselves. So you try not to talk about it, you just try to continue the day as normal.''

    Jackson said he hopes the current staff remains intact, but understands if Haslam decides to start over.

    "Once you change the owner, he's been successful at what he's done in his career and he has a way of doing business and he's going to bring that mold here, and whatever it is, whether it's change, whether it's keeping the guys in the building, I'm on board for it,'' said Jackson. "My job is to lead the guys in the locker room and do the best of my ability with that. If change happens and he feels like it needs to happen, you have to be on board with it.''

    There's been some speculation that defensive coordinator Dick Jauron might stay, especially if the Browns hire a young offensive coach.

    "He deserves some consideration to stay in the building,'' said Jackson. "He's a great coach. He understands the game, he’s given me the keys to the defense, he trusts players that put in the time. Not to have him in the building . . . I don’t even want to think about Dick not being here. I honestly don’t.''

    Unfortunately for many in the building, the time has come to start thinking about not being here.

    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/inde...tsburgh_2.html


    Woody better give Heckert a call..And we all better hope that other opportunity Lombardi might have isn't the Jets....Remember he hired Tannenbaum while they were both in Cleveland
    Last edited by C Mart; 12-30-2012 at 08:45 AM.

  18. #38
    I would like Shurmur more so than Norv. Again, what has Norv done after not having the Big Three in Dallas? An okay season with Ricky Williams when Williams was the best back in football? That it? Buehler? Buehler?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 124 View Post
    I would like Shurmur more so than Norv. Again, what has Norv done after not having the Big Three in Dallas? An okay season with Ricky Williams when Williams was the best back in football? That it? Buehler? Buehler?
    +1 ... Turner is garbage ... As evidence I submit the decline of Philip Rivers as exhibit A.
    Last edited by Dunnie; 12-30-2012 at 10:15 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 124 View Post
    I would like Shurmur more so than Norv. Again, what has Norv done after not having the Big Three in Dallas? An okay season with Ricky Williams when Williams was the best back in football? That it? Buehler? Buehler?
    You can probably say the same thing about Shurmur...

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