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    Ray, give it a rest. EVERYONE knows where you stand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EternalChampion View Post
    Nah, GM candidates would always wonder how much he has Woody's ear and who's Woody going to back if there's a disagreement about who to sign, how much to pay them, etc. In my experience (obviously all outside of football), demotions don't work. When things are at that point, it's time to part for everyone's benefit.
    This!

    I have never seen any organization be successful with the amount of groupthink that has plagued this one since Woody has owned the Jets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sec.101row23 View Post
    Because it bad business to demote upper management and keep them in organizations, especially TWO former GMs. It just doesnt happen in the corporate world very often and most upper management will tell you they dont want their predecessors anywhere near their office. For some reason the Jets seem to have no problems with this.
    Bad business according to who?

    We don't know what Bradway's role will be after the new GM is hired. We still don't even know what Mike T's new role, but it's obvious it will be in the area of contracts and salaray cap management.

    And you are 100% wrong on your statement about how this doesn't happen in the corporate world. I don't know where you work, but I work in the corporate arena for a major investment firm, and this is done ALL the time. Though, I wouldn't at all equate the two scenarios, I don't think we can compare the corporate world with the NFL at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Ray19 View Post
    I think it would depend who the GM candidates are. It's quite possible that NFL execs and potential GM's would value Tannenbaum's services having been running the team, he would at least be a resource to get the new GM up to speed on all facets of the team, the current roster, personnell, college scouting, etc etc. Tannenbaum does have good recognition as a cap guy, that could be huge for a any GM coming in, depending on his experience.

    I just don't agree that Tannenbaum serving in an alternative role is bad in every sense, there are also a lot of good that can be made of it as mentioned.

    I would probably agree that if a candidate was a high profile guy, he may want to clean house, but who is that guy out there worthy of consideration?
    RayRay.. it's like being hired to clean up a mess, only to find that the guy who created the mess was still an employee and has ties to your boss.

    Sure, I guess it worked okay with Bradway... but by all accounts Bradway didn't even want the GM title and preferred to return to a scout role. Tanny's going to step aside to do what? Crunch numbers? His rep as a 'cap guy' was build in the 1990s when the salary cap was new and most GMs hadn't figured out it's loopholes. To his credit, Tanny came up with a few. But that was ancient history- any GM in 2012 has a good grasp of cap and can crunch numbers just as well as Mr. T.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDNYjets View Post
    Ray, give it a rest. EVERYONE knows where you stand.
    Piss off.

    The king of getting on one's pedestal to preach what is right and wrong, and the do's and dont's of a message board is now trying to tell me what to do on a message board?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAR I View Post
    ....and the new GM won't want a head coach that belonged to someone else like Rex Ryan, so when will Tony Pauline break the story that Rex is gone on Monday too?

    SAR I
    Who knows?

    Once Joey Clinkscales is hired(you know that's coming), maybe then he might decide "See ya, Rex!" like you wanted.


    But then again, maybe he might give him a "Lame-Duck" year to demonstrate to him that he deserves to stay....


    We just don't know at this point.

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    Just think, two GMs and two HCs

    Just think, two GMs, one to make personnel decisions and one to make big contracts to the wrong players and low contract offers to the talented ones who will then walk. But if Rex is retained as HC, then we will have to hire a skilled OC who will have to tell the HC to butt out in meddling in the offensive plan and who is the starting QB. And what about who get priority on draft picks and free agent signings. Just think about the fights about those areas. Forget about play offs until that is resolved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Ray19 View Post
    Bad business according to who?

    We don't know what Bradway's role will be after the new GM is hired. We still don't even know what Mike T's new role, but it's obvious it will be in the area of contracts and salaray cap management.

    And you are 100% wrong on your statement about how this doesn't happen in the corporate world. I don't know where you work, but I work in the corporate arena for a major investment firm, and this is done ALL the time. Though, I wouldn't at all equate the two scenarios, I don't think we can compare the corporate world with the NFL at all.
    Really?? What company is that? I am not talking about mid-level management, it is Upper Management CEO level Executives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Ray19 View Post
    This was the post you responded to...



    Notice the use of "Why" and the "?"

    Where am I telling fans how to think you insufferable clown?
    Nice job of cherry picking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baddniss View Post
    Why are all of you guys fighting THIS concept?

    I think this sentence (by Sooth, above) is going to be 100% correct.
    Why cant MT go back to being our Cap guy?
    Thats what he is best suited for.
    He was good at it!

    Why cant that be a separate job from GM?
    In todays salary cap driven NFL, why wouldnt we want an expert/specialist handling this all-important facet (full-time) within the Jets organization?
    Part of the reason he is getting fired is he IS NOT good at managing the cap especially under the new collective bargaining agreement. His philosophy was the same as the people who have to continuously kite payday loans to pay their bills, eventually it catches up to you. Thats all he ever did. He spent Woodys money like a madman pushing more and more debt into the future hoping the cap would save him which it did several times. But the cap is largely flat now and that strategy does not work.

    If he is reassigned it needs to be like Concessions manager or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE_SOOTHSAYER View Post
    Despite this season, Tannenbaum's full circle of work has been extremely sub-par. If there needs to be a fall guy for this team's demise, he deserves to be first on the list.

    He's not a football guy. He's a capologist which is where he should be re-assigned back to doing exclusively.
    But judging by his cap work with people like Sanchez, Scott, Harris etc, he is not good at capology either! FIRE HIM FORTHWITH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Ray19 View Post
    Piss off.

    The king of getting on one's pedestal to preach what is right and wrong, and the do's and dont's of a message board is now trying to tell me what to do on a message board?
    It is obvious you are doing your job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shuler82 View Post
    RayRay.. it's like being hired to clean up a mess, only to find that the guy who created the mess was still an employee and has ties to your boss.

    Sure, I guess it worked okay with Bradway... but by all accounts Bradway didn't even want the GM title and preferred to return to a scout role. Tanny's going to step aside to do what? Crunch numbers? His rep as a 'cap guy' was build in the 1990s when the salary cap was new and most GMs hadn't figured out it's loopholes. To his credit, Tanny came up with a few. But that was ancient history- any GM in 2012 has a good grasp of cap and can crunch numbers just as well as Mr. T.
    A voice of calm reason.

    Good post.

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    First of all nobody knows what the relationship between Ryan and Tanny has been. Who, for example, called the shots in players was it Tanny or Ryan ? Second Ryan is not going anywhere regardless of what mindless people like SAR think. He will be given one more season and if the team doesn't respond to him my guess he will be gone. While players love playing for Ryan it doesn't mean that his system works but I believe that Woody wants Ryan to stay and thus he will be here along with Sanchez. This team has a lot of needs and wants but when you look at some of the contracts over the years you really have to scratch your head and ask what the hell were they thinking? Ryan will take this team to the playoffs again just believe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordy View Post
    A voice of calm reason.

    Good post.
    That is all valid. But I don't want a GM that is going to feel threatened by Mike Tannenbaum.

    If a GM comes here, establishes a good relationship with Woody and progress is seen, then Woody will be listening to Tanny (if he is at all) less and less.

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    Blaming Tanny for the Jets season is a joke

    Basically, it's giving Sanchez a pass.....because if he didn't suck, Tanny would still be here

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonEJet View Post
    Blaming Tanny for the Jets season is a joke

    Basically, it's giving Sanchez a pass.....because if he didn't suck, Tanny would still be here
    And who gave him the extension to stay here?

    Its not the contracts that Tanny has a problem with. It's who he's giving them to.

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    Tannenbaum sucks, the lack of talent on this team is shocking when you look at the elite teams like SF, Houston, Baltimore, etc.

    And he certainly shouldn't be retained as a cap guy, just a stupid idea. Woody needs to stop being scared of change, there's lots of smart talented people out there who can do what Tannenbaum would be doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Ray19 View Post
    I think it would depend who the GM candidates are. It's quite possible that NFL execs and potential GM's would value Tannenbaum's services having been running the team, he would at least be a resource to get the new GM up to speed on all facets of the team, the current roster, personnell, college scouting, etc etc. Tannenbaum does have good recognition as a cap guy, that could be huge for a any GM coming in, depending on his experience.

    I just don't agree that Tannenbaum serving in an alternative role is bad in every sense, there are also a lot of good that can be made of it as mentioned.

    I would probably agree that if a candidate was a high profile guy, he may want to clean house, but who is that guy out there worthy of consideration?
    It working out isn't out of the question, but is Tanny worth it? There are other accountants/fish in the sea that wouldn't create the questions. I can't imagine that Tanny is essential to a new GM learning the ropes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eckesg1 View Post
    That is all valid. But I don't want a GM that is going to feel threatened by Mike Tannenbaum.

    If a GM comes here, establishes a good relationship with Woody and progress is seen, then Woody will be listening to Tanny (if he is at all) less and less.
    His post never mentioned feeling threatened by Tannenbaum.

    And the owner shouldn't be listening to Tannenbaum at all with respect to personnel.

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