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    didn't holmgren keep mangini for a season? it kind of depends on the expectations of the gm. if he wants to evaluate what he has got then keeping rex isn't so far off. if he wants top to bottom control, then rex will be a goner either way.

    Quote Originally Posted by JetPotato View Post
    The fact that there are only 30 of these jobs is precisely what makes the Jets version undesirable.

    If you're a hot-shot GM candidate, you want to take a job that you feel you can succeed at. The best GMs know and understand that this means having control over all aspects of the football operations, including your coach. The players you acquire need to be a part of a shared plan and vision by the coach and GM.

    So, take a job with hurdles, take a chance that you will fail, and be out in 2-3 years with never another chance to get this kind of job again.

    Good GM candidates will wait for the right job. The only people jumping at the Jets job will be those in the lower tier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefst2000 View Post
    There is no rock bottom in football. This is a BS myth. If there were we would have been better throughout the 90's. The Jets are a team that is good on Defense and bad on offense. It is as simple as that. On D we have some youth mixed with veteran talent. Assuming we can resign Landry our secondary is the best in the league. The missing piece is an OLB but we should be able to address that in this coming draft.

    Our offense is one of the worst in the league. How much of that is due to Starting the worst QB in the league is hard to say. The next GM's primary job is to find a solution at QB. It is as simple as that. Holmes, Edwards, Kerley, Hill is a servicable combo with a REAL QB. At RB we simply need to draft 1-2 more prospects and see if one pans out. Powell is average as well. More important is a offensive coordinator that can implement a screen game which we have severely lacked since LT left.

    To succeed with REX as HC the next OC will need to be someone that has a resume which demands respect. The title of GURU wouldn't hurt. I like a Brian Billick type but I doubt he would be willing to leave the booth. Norv seems like an obvious choice.
    Did you serious put Norv Turner and the word "guru" in the same sentence together. Norv Away, until the last couple years, coached one of the most talent rich teams in the NFL yet consistently failed in the post season despite superior personnel.

    A.J. Smith would be a fine GM candidate with a proven track record of uncovering talent and fielding explosive teams. The one concern attached to Smith is a tendency to be inflexible and combative during contract dealings.....which isn't necessarily a negative, especially when factoring in tighter budget constraints faced in the SD market. Knowing how Smith battled the likes of Vincent Jackson, one thing we could assume is that as Jets GM, he would never have extended Sanchez like Tranny did or give Holmes that ridiculous contract. And do you really think management would have openly pined for Revis labeling him the greatest? Too bad Tranny and Rex never took Contract Negotiations 101! Unfortunately Smith is too strong a personality to coexist in Rex's world of pomposity and chest puffing

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    Money is desirable. But you also have huge negatives. New GM might have to deal with Rex also the QB position is HORRIBLE. Both player and contract . Also with the NY media always on attack mode.

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    Like any GM job, there are plusses and minuses.

    The positives for the Jets job:
    1) Deep-pocketed owner who will spend
    2) Tremendous facilities and a desirable market
    3) Very good defense in place
    4) Relatively high draft position and decent #s of picks to address roster issues

    The negatives:
    1) Poor salary cap situation
    2) Poor QB situation
    3) Poor offensive skill talent

    Perfect GM jobs don't typically become available very often.

    You think Arizona and Cleveland are better places to land? Jacksonville?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redrew View Post
    1) second class citizen in their own stadium
    2) competing in a division against the Patriots
    3) a loud mouth coach that has no filter
    4) trust fund owner/proven tax cheat interested in ticket sales first and foremost
    5) wretched roster
    6) high tax zone
    7) skeptical fan base
    8) cut throat press corps

    You guys are nuts to think this Jets job is a gem...and because of the above factors, the Woody will likely overpay to bring in a credible GM. This is a tear down/rebuild long term project but with an owner that prefers band aid remedies covered with lots of makeup. There is very little foundation to build upon and without a capable QB in the house, what is the upside except....just to collect a big check? Some people actually want to succeed in their job. Think about the first hire this new GM will make....OC.....yes, OC candidates, come to NY and work with our dynamic QBs ..... oooooooh. Reality is that a turnstyle of rehashed failures on their last legs....ie...Tony Sporano will be working the sideline next year feeding plays to FA QBs that couldn't make a starters lineup for their last teams.
    Keeping Rex means the Jets aren't serious about wiping the slate clean and I fear this team is a few more years away from Rock bottom....instead prolonging the decline.
    Do you drink your Hemlock straight-up? You give manic-depressive's a bad name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuu faaola View Post
    Like any GM job, there are plusses and minuses.

    The positives for the Jets job:
    1) Deep-pocketed owner who will spend
    2) Tremendous facilities and a desirable market
    3) Very good defense in place
    4) Relatively high draft position and decent #s of picks to address roster issues

    The negatives:
    1) Poor salary cap situation
    2) Poor QB situation
    3) Poor offensive skill talent

    Perfect GM jobs don't typically become available very often.

    You think Arizona and Cleveland are better places to land? Jacksonville?
    Any place that allows the new GM to hire his own coaching staff is a better place to land. And please fill me in on why NY is a desirable market. The massive taxes? The enormous cost of living? The abusive media? Maybe there are some marketing opportunities to exploit for a handful, but the distractions available are also quite pronounced. To win in NY given the level playing field all teams play on is a ridiculously difficult task. Team first vs Me first is a tough sell when microphones and post career opportunities get dangled in your face daily. The Jets are like the Mets.....just a place to cash bigger paychecks while the serious teams go about the business of building winners.
    Last edited by Redrew; 12-31-2012 at 03:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by section314 View Post
    Do you drink your Hemlock straight-up? You give manic-depressive's a bad name.
    This team felt Tony Sporano was the answer to the offensive woes under Schitty......Do I really need to go any further demonstrating the kind of quality candidates this team is able to attract. My list is spot on. The owner lacks sound judgement filling his management roles and every other point is basically a rehash of the criticisms on this board, except the trust fund/tax cheat factoid....but that accurately portrays who the real
    Woody Johnson is......just some lucky sperm who who could afford an expensive toy when he grew up /after he paid the massive fines off to the federal govt from his tax cheating days. I have zero faith Woody Johnson has the stones to figure this mess out and solve the problems....no faith. It's tough to develop character when everything gets handed to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BamaJets View Post
    it's a great job. like you said, there only 32 of them in the world. It's definitely a tough job considering you have a roster that needs an infusion of talent, some big decisions to be made, etc. And a candidate that backs off this challenge is a GM I wouldn't want anyway. Nothing better than a hungry go-getter willing to take on a challenge. let's find one.
    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by sameoldjets View Post
    didn't holmgren keep mangini for a season? it kind of depends on the expectations of the gm. if he wants to evaluate what he has got then keeping rex isn't so far off. if he wants top to bottom control, then rex will be a goner either way.
    How did that whole Browns situation work out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redrew View Post
    1) second class citizen in their own stadium
    2) competing in a division against the Patriots
    3) a loud mouth coach that has no filter
    4) trust fund owner/proven tax cheat interested in ticket sales first and foremost
    5) wretched roster
    6) high tax zone
    7) skeptical fan base
    8) cut throat press corps

    You guys are nuts to think this Jets job is a gem...and because of the above factors, the Woody will likely overpay to bring in a credible GM. This is a tear down/rebuild long term project but with an owner that prefers band aid remedies covered with lots of makeup. There is very little foundation to build upon and without a capable QB in the house, what is the upside except....just to collect a big check? Some people actually want to succeed in their job. Think about the first hire this new GM will make....OC.....yes, OC candidates, come to NY and work with our dynamic QBs ..... oooooooh. Reality is that a turnstyle of rehashed failures on their last legs....ie...Tony Sporano will be working the sideline next year feeding plays to FA QBs that couldn't make a starters lineup for their last teams.
    Keeping Rex means the Jets aren't serious about wiping the slate clean and I fear this team is a few more years away from Rock bottom....instead prolonging the decline.
    SOJF, forever with the inferiority complex.

    Are we still in Giants Stadium? Are we still looking at droves of empty red seats?

    No. We own 50% of the stadium along with the Giants. Are they better than us? Absolutely. But that doesn't make the Jets second class citizens for any other reason other than you enjoying to wallow in your own self pity.

    And stop talking about a long term project. The first 3 picks of the draft last year are in the playoffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redrew View Post
    This team felt Tony Sporano was the answer to the offensive woes under Schitty......Do I really need to go any further demonstrating the kind of quality candidates this team is able to attract. My list is spot on. The owner lacks sound judgement filling his management roles and every other point is basically a rehash of the criticisms on this board, except the trust fund/tax cheat factoid....but that accurately portrays who the real
    Woody Johnson is......just some lucky sperm who who could afford an expensive toy when he grew up /after he paid the massive fines off to the federal govt from his tax cheating days. I have zero faith Woody Johnson has the stones to figure this mess out and solve the problems....no faith. It's tough to develop character when everything gets handed to you.

    Can you please just GTFO you stinking chowd troll and let Jet fans discuss the changes for 2013


    Isn't there a thread at the patsfag message board and circle jerk to discuss Beli and Krafts new wireless signal cheating plans at Sucksboro in less than two weeks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redrew View Post
    1) second class citizen in their own stadium
    2) competing in a division against the Patriots
    3) a loud mouth coach that has no filter
    4) trust fund owner/proven tax cheat interested in ticket sales first and foremost
    5) wretched roster
    6) high tax zone
    7) skeptical fan base
    8) cut throat press corps

    You guys are nuts to think this Jets job is a gem...and because of the above factors, the Woody will likely overpay to bring in a credible GM. This is a tear down/rebuild long term project but with an owner that prefers band aid remedies covered with lots of makeup. There is very little foundation to build upon and without a capable QB in the house, what is the upside except....just to collect a big check? Some people actually want to succeed in their job. Think about the first hire this new GM will make....OC.....yes, OC candidates, come to NY and work with our dynamic QBs ..... oooooooh. Reality is that a turnstyle of rehashed failures on their last legs....ie...Tony Sporano will be working the sideline next year feeding plays to FA QBs that couldn't make a starters lineup for their last teams.
    Keeping Rex means the Jets aren't serious about wiping the slate clean and I fear this team is a few more years away from Rock bottom....instead prolonging the decline.
    You're also not taking into account that high profile GMs also should have high profile egos - and most would not shy away from big challenges to feed said egos.

    This is a high dollar, high profile job - they all are, but this more so than most. Because if they can pull it off here - immediate sports sainthood.

    There will be no shortage of people that can meet those requirements, the question is picking the right one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishooked View Post
    You're also not taking into account that high profile GMs also should have high profile egos - and most would not shy away from big challenges to feed said egos.

    This is a high dollar, high profile job - they all are, but this more so than most. Because if they can pull it off here - immediate sports sainthood.

    There will be no shortage of people that can meet those requirements, the question is picking the right one.
    Too funny. Polian shot down the Jets this month....even though its such a "desirable job"
    Belichick ran away from the job faster than you can type HCNYJ.
    But if you believe the most qualified are banging on the front door right now because of the "desirability"....then I won't wake you from your sweet dream

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redrew View Post
    Too funny. Polian shot down the Jets this month....even though its such a "desirable job"
    Belichick ran away from the job faster than you can type HCNYJ.
    But if you believe the most qualified are banging on the front door right now because of the "desirability"....then I won't wake you from your sweet dream
    I believe that Belichick left the Jets because he didn't want to immediately follow Parcells or be mired in his shadow.

    Polian's old.

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    Rumor has it that Woody is willing let the new GM park in his spot... when he's not at the facility of course.

    That should clinch the deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sg3 View Post
    Can you please just GTFO you stinking chowd troll and let Jet fans discuss the changes for 2013


    Isn't there a thread at the patsfag message board and circle jerk to discuss Beli and Krafts new wireless signal cheating plans at Sucksboro in less than two weeks?
    Based on your childish attacks, I suggest that you go to a teenage angst board and post there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redrew View Post
    1) second class citizen in their own stadium
    2) competing in a division against the Patriots
    3) a loud mouth coach that has no filter
    4) trust fund owner/proven tax cheat interested in ticket sales first and foremost
    5) wretched roster
    6) high tax zone
    7) skeptical fan base
    8) cut throat press corps

    You guys are nuts to think this Jets job is a gem...and because of the above factors, the Woody will likely overpay to bring in a credible GM. This is a tear down/rebuild long term project but with an owner that prefers band aid remedies covered with lots of makeup. There is very little foundation to build upon and without a capable QB in the house, what is the upside except....just to collect a big check? Some people actually want to succeed in their job. Think about the first hire this new GM will make....OC.....yes, OC candidates, come to NY and work with our dynamic QBs ..... oooooooh. Reality is that a turnstyle of rehashed failures on their last legs....ie...Tony Sporano will be working the sideline next year feeding plays to FA QBs that couldn't make a starters lineup for their last teams.
    Keeping Rex means the Jets aren't serious about wiping the slate clean and I fear this team is a few more years away from Rock bottom....instead prolonging the decline.
    You are spot on drew, any one that has been rebuffing your comments are just wearing green and white colored glasses and refuse to face reality. Hell we all want our team to win, but unfortunately the set up right now is for your scenario to play out to a T.

    Keeping Wrecks means exactly what you stated, he helped create this circus, culture, dysfunction, ineptitude, arrogance and lack of accountability. That doesn't change until he's gone and a puppet GM will not do that, and a Top Notch GM will not touch this job, case in point Polian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinniekt View Post
    You are spot on drew, any one that has been rebuffing your comments are just wearing green and white colored glasses and refuse to face reality. Hell we all want our team to win, but unfortunately the set up right now is for your scenario to play out to a T.

    Keeping Wrecks means exactly what you stated, he helped create this circus, culture, dysfunction, ineptitude, arrogance and lack of accountability. That doesn't change until he's gone and a puppet GM will not do that, and a Top Notch GM will not touch this job, case in point Polian.
    He also helped create a Top 10 defense every year, back to back AFC Championship appearances for the first time in franchise history, most playoff wins by a HC in franchise history, developed one of the arguably best corners of all time, and had one losing season in four years.

    Which will you take, your adjectives or my facts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinniekt View Post
    You are spot on drew, any one that has been rebuffing your comments are just wearing green and white colored glasses and refuse to face reality. Hell we all want our team to win, but unfortunately the set up right now is for your scenario to play out to a T.

    Keeping Wrecks means exactly what you stated, he helped create this circus, culture, dysfunction, ineptitude, arrogance and lack of accountability. That doesn't change until he's gone and a puppet GM will not do that, and a Top Notch GM will not touch this job, case in point Polian.
    One caveat I would like to add to my own comments. I still hold out hope that Woody hires a STRONG and CREDIBLE GM, and despite what's being reported today this GM would then fire REX and clean out this rancid house. That is what needs to be done and then the establishment of professionalism and class in the organization can begin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinniekt View Post
    One caveat I would like to add to my own comments. I still hold out hope that Woody hires a STRONG and CREDIBLE GM, and despite what's being reported today this GM would then fire REX and clean out this rancid house. That is what needs to be done and then the establishment of professionalism and class in the organization can begin.
    Didn't you say you were done with the Jets?

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