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    Quote Originally Posted by GenoT View Post
    None of our quarterbacks gave us a chance to win. If Cousins was our backup, Sanchez would have been warming the bench
    how do you figure that?

    Matt Cavanaugh probably would've ruined Cousins just like he did Boller, Sanchez and any other QB under his watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mart View Post
    Maybe that is part of Woody's plan? It gets him out of $6M+
    This is it.

    What I believe is that since Rex has 2 years left on his deal, Woody would prefer not to eat 100% of that salary. Any new GM coming here knows that next year we are restricted due to the salary cap but will have a tremendous opportunity after next season.

    So Rex goes into next season knowing that he cannot win with the roster we'll have and knowing he will be fired. So trying to preserve his "brand" may into e him to work something out as far as a compromise with Woody.

    Of course, one of two things HAS to happen in order to initiate it. He or his agent have to find him another job as a DC or on TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dustykeller View Post
    You don't think Sanchez should've been pulled earlier in the season?

    Christ...I hate Tebow, but he should've been given a chance to step up and earn his paycheck. Same goes for McElroy.

    C'mon...this isn't rocket science.
    The Tebow that has reportedly looked horrible in practice by every account.

    There were no realistic alternatives to Sanchez, and Mark was the guy we traded up into the top 5 to draft.

    Of all the things I blame Rex for - Wanting to bring in Tebow, every endorsement/sign-off of Santonio Holmes as a leader + contract, everything coverage related with Kyle Wilson, hiring Tony Sparano - I don't have a problem with him sticking with Sanchez for most of the year, even if it was "too loyal".

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    Lol, your probably right. I was just responding to Ryans lack of real options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borgoguy View Post
    I'll buy a round of drinks for the board if your theory is true.

    Woody, there is still time to make this right. Fire Rex, even if it is at the hand of your new GM.
    I'll hold you to this, Borgo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SafetyBlitz View Post
    The Tebow that has reportedly looked horrible in practice by every account.

    There were no realistic alternatives to Sanchez, and Mark was the guy we traded up into the top 5 to draft.

    Of all the things I blame Rex for - Wanting to bring in Tebow, every endorsement/sign-off of Santonio Holmes as a leader + contract, everything coverage related with Kyle Wilson, hiring Tony Sparano - I don't have a problem with him sticking with Sanchez for most of the year, even if it was "too loyal".
    Sanchez was singlehandedly torching the season.

    That much we know.


    What we didn't know was how Tebow would do as the starting QB because he wasn't given the chance.


    That's the difference.

    Am I a Tebow supporter? Hell no. But I know Mark wasn't getting it done. So a change should've been made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordy View Post
    Do you have facts to back this up?

    Do you know for a fact that the best candidates would want to retain Rex Ryan.

    I'm sure there are some who would. But are they at the top of this list or are they the "consolation prize" because the best guys didn't want it?
    I would be willing to bet that if Ross is the new GM, there is no way he would want Rex after witnessing the circus that Rex created. He will (either now or next January) bring in a disciplined HC that is similar to Coughlin. My guess would be Todd Haly or Mike Nolan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mart View Post
    Not sure about that...It's been reported that Rex has been involved in personnel decisions, more than we knew.

    My apologies for not looking for the articles but with all the stuff flying around there's too much to sort through..And I'm done googling today..Maybe someone else can or I will another time.

    Of course, people will just dispute the report anyway..


    Ryan deserves the 2013 season to clean up the mess he helped create, but the Jets are in so much worse shape than the team he inherited in 2009. Part of the reason: Eric Mangini was a far better talent evaluator than Ryan, even if Ryan is a better coach. The first gift to the new GM: The Jets have the ninth pick in the first round of the draft.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...icle-1.1230769


    'Football people' not connected with Jets don't favor ax falling on GM Mike Tannenbaum

    Originally published: December 29, 2012 6:18 PM
    Updated: December 30, 2012 1:56 AM
    By BOB GLAUBER


    FLORHAM PARK, N.J.

    Decision time is here for Jets owner Woody Johnson.

    With his team about to finish its first losing season since he and general manager Mike Tannenbaum hired coach Rex Ryan in 2009, Johnson must decide whether he needs to make any changes to address the problems that led to a second straight year in which the Jets failed to reach the playoffs.

    Near the top of that list is Tannenbaum, whose future has been the subject of intense speculation as the Jets' fortunes plummeted this season. Whatever Johnson does with his top decision-maker will go a long way toward shaping the team next season and beyond.

    Neither Johnson nor team president Neil Glatt will discuss Tannenbaum's status until after the Jets conclude their season in Buffalo on Sunday. Tannenbaum, through a team spokesman, declined to comment about his situation.

    The decision is complicated. Does Johnson look at Tannenbaum's overall body of work, which includes three playoff berths and two AFC Championship Game appearances since taking over as GM in 2006? Does he take a more narrow view and see that the Jets have lost 12 of their last 18 games dating to the 2011 season, in part because of an eroding talent base and the stunning regression of first-round quarterback Mark Sanchez, who has committed a league-high 50 turnovers the last two seasons? Or does Johnson view 2012 as an aberration caused by myriad injuries that took away, among others, the team's two best playmakers: cornerback Darrelle Revis and receiver Santonio Holmes?

    Many of Tannenbaum's moves, including the trade for Tim Tebow and an extension of Sanchez's contract that includes an $8.25-million guarantee for the 2013 season, will come under scrutiny. And Tannenbaum's failure to secure adequate depth at receiver, especially after injuries to Holmes and rookie first-round pick Stephen Hill, was another major reason for this year's collapse and contributed heavily to Sanchez's failings.

    But Tannenbaum's overall success rate also is a factor in what happens next. Even with this year's failed season, since the beginning of the 2009 season, the Jets are tied for eighth in overall wins (38 including playoffs). That's one behind the Giants. The Packers (51) and Patriots (50) top the list.

    During his tenure, the Jets have drafted or traded for several quality players, including Revis, Holmes, cornerback Antonio Cromartie, defensive tackle Muhammad Wilkerson, tight end Dustin Keller, offensive linemen D'Brickashaw Ferguson and Nick Mangold, and linebacker David Harris.

    Despite plenty of criticism from fans, Tannenbaum maintains a generally good reputation among football people inside and outside the league, including many who have worked with him over the years.

    And it wouldn't be completely illogical to retain him after his first losing season in the Ryan era; other teams missing the playoffs two years in a row decided to stay the course. The Giants (2011) and Saints (2009) both won Super Bowls after missing the playoffs the previous two seasons and not making coach or general manager changes. And the Texans, who have the AFC's best record, missed the playoffs five straight years under GM Rick Smith before qualifying for the postseason last year.

    "I've known Mike since I got into the league [in 1994] and I have a very high opinion of him," said Browns chief executive officer Joe Banner, the former Eagles president. "He's smart, he has a good understanding of the challenges of putting together a team versus just picking players. I've always been impressed with his insights. I think he does as much research as anyone in the league. In my opinion, he's one of the brighter guys at his position in the league."

    Banner said he wouldn't recommend to Johnson one way or another what to do with Tannenbaum, but indicated that his experience with the Eagles under team owner Jeffrey Lurie was to make decisions based on conviction, even if that went against what fans might have wanted in any given year.

    "You have to isolate yourself in a sense and isolate the factors that you think matter and do what you believe in, whatever direction that might lead you in," Banner said. "With the Eagles, that's what we always tried to do. The people who are successful in this league are the ones that have convictions.

    That can lead to change or the status quo, but you have to isolate your views on what you think will lead to success."

    Former Cowboys vice president of player personnel Gil Brandt, who was with Dallas from 1960-88, suggested that Tannenbaum's lack of personnel experience has hurt him over the years.

    "A lot of times the guys who are really good assistant coaches become head coaches and aren't very good," Brandt said of Tannenbaum, who was known as a salary-cap expert before taking over as GM. "It's like that here. All of a sudden, [Tannenbaum] goes from a cap guy to someone who's running the organization."

    Brandt said he went through a similar time when the Cowboys reached the NFC Championship Game from 1980-82 but lost all three times.

    "We weren't as good as we thought we were," Brandt said. "Sometimes you oversell your team to yourself. We were an older team, so instead of dismantling it and changing a lot of players, we stuck with it . . . We were a descending team because we had older players that were past their prime."

    The Jets aren't quite as old, but they are descending -- none more than Sanchez, who has lost 11 of his last 17 starts and is under contract for next year at $8.25 million.

    The injury factor came into play this season; even so, the Jets were in playoff contention until the final month of the season. Had Sanchez played even modestly better, there's a chance they'd have made the playoffs as a wild-card team.

    But now Sanchez has played his way out of the position -- he's starting against the Bills only because Greg McElroy is out with a concussion -- and there is uncertainty about whether he can ever regain the starting job.

    His guaranteed $8.25 million next year further complicates matters. It's a stunning fall from grace after two-plus promising seasons in which he went 4-2 in six road playoff games and had nine touchdown passes and three interceptions. He beat Peyton Manning and Tom Brady in successive weeks in the 2010 playoffs.

    But after getting to 8-5 last season, Sanchez lost 11 of his next 17 starts before being benched for last week's game against the Chargers.

    "The quarterback hasn't played well recently, and that's a big part of it," former Redskins and Texans general manager Charley Casserly said. "Part of it is the guy [Sanchez] is a middle-of-the-road quarterback, but he has played better in the past, so that's disturbing. There are a lot of injuries on offense, and it's hard to say if they would have looked different if Sanchez didn't have a ton of injuries around him."

    Casserly, who won a Super Bowl as the Redskins' GM, believes Johnson should stick with Tannenbaum.

    He said he would give Tannenbaum a vote of confidence. "I think Mike should be there, and I don't know why they wouldn't be able to get this thing figured out," Casserly said. "He's a bright guy, he has a feel for people, he certainly understands the salary cap and how to manage it, which is important."

    The Jets' salary-cap situation has been an issue, and they will have to make adjustments to get next year's bloated cap situation under control. But there are several players with big cap numbers who either will be released or restructured, so it is believed the Jets will not have an issue getting under the cap for 2013.

    Casserly said if Tannenbaum does remain with the team, he needs to rely more on his personnel department. In some cases, Tannenbaum has acquiesced to the wishes of Ryan, especially in the draft. The scouting department, for instance, was in favor of selecting Josh Freeman over Sanchez in 2009, but Tannenbaum went with Ryan's recommendation.

    Tannenbaum also sided with Ryan when the team drafted first-round cornerback Kyle Wilson, who has turned into a solid player but not the dominant performer the team envisioned. Tannenbaum also made the big mistake of going with former Jets coach Eric Mangini's choice of linebacker Vernon Gholston with the sixth pick in 2008. He turned into a colossal bust.

    "Where it becomes dangerous is when coaches become involved, especially if their job is on the line," Casserly said. "They can sometimes force decisions for immediacy and end up mis-evaluating some players."

    Longtime player agent Alan Herman, who has negotiated several contracts with Tannenbaum, said the GM needs to make decisions based more on the scouts' evaluations.

    "If there has been any fault, then it's having the coach be too involved in making personnel decisions in the draft," Herman said. "This is a mistake a number of general managers make that I've seen in 29 years in the business. If you have good people in the personnel department, guys who are out on the road for almost a full year evaluating college players, then you have coaches get involved at the very end of the process, they end up identifying the wrong talent."

    Herman said Tannenbaum would be better off bringing in another strong personnel voice -- perhaps former Jets personnel executive Joey Clinkscales, who joined the Raiders last season, or Texans personnel executive Mike Maccagnan -- to reinforce the scouting department. "I don't think Mike [Tannenbaum] has to leave," Herman said. "I think he's extremely valuable."

    Herman said that no matter who the general manager is, Johnson himself must be willing to change. And that means increasing his budget for acquiring players, even on the bottom end of the roster.

    "You notice all the additions to the Jets' roster were all minimum-wage players with very little experience," Herman said. "Not until late in the season did they add Braylon Edwards, but he was also a veteran minimum-wage guy. The owner clearly needs to be willing to spend more."

    Former Jets coach and general manager Bill Parcells, who hired Tannenbaum to manage the salary cap in 1997, declined to comment on Tannenbaum's situation.

    Former Browns GM Phil Savage, who has worked with Tannenbaum in Cleveland and Ryan in Baltimore, believes the coach/GM combination is a good one. "I like Rex a lot," he said. "He has a flamboyance to him that's real in his heart. Some people don't like that, but I think the players do, and that's very important. Mike is a very intelligent person and has a good grasp of how the professional game works and the mechanics of it.''

    Added Savage, who now runs the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala.: "Obviously, this year has not turned out like they expected it to go, which happens to more than half the teams in the NFL who don't make the playoffs. It's very difficult to tune out the outside noise and trust your convictions and what your beliefs were two, three, four years ago, and why you chose that person. It's difficult to eliminate records, the fan reaction, the media's record of things.

    But the teams that do stick to their guns and maintain a semblance of continuity are the ones that usually succeed. I think at the end of the day, you're better served in keeping good people than trying to go find the new flavor of the day. That person might not have as many answers as the people who have had their hands and their minds on your team the last few years."

    Time for Johnson to make a move? "To me, if it's not clear-cut, black-and-white, what to do," Savage said, "then I'm not sure you do anything unless you have a strong conviction."

    If Johnson has that conviction, he's not saying. But it won't be much longer before he makes the call. One game to go, and it will be time for a decision.

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/footba...baum-1.4387676
    Why shouldn't we dispute the report, there has been inconsistent reporting on the topic.

    We should trust NOTHING the media puts out, most of it is for ratings, sensationalism, and face-time to make it seem some of these idiots know what they're talking about, when most of the time, they don't have a ****ing clue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seagirt View Post
    --ONE more possiblity- Rex 2013 team is unprepared as usual- we go 0-3. And Rex gets canned after 3 games; our new OC Ken Whisenhunt is named
    acting Head Coach for remainder of season.
    Over his 4 years, the team is 3-1 in openers and 9-3 over the first 4 games of the season...what can you possibly mean "unprepared as usual"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ubrnostrum View Post
    I'll hold you to this, Borgo.
    Just no rare single malts or bottles of Chateau Margaux.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Ray19 View Post
    Why shouldn't we dispute the report, there has been inconsistent reporting on the topic.

    We should trust NOTHING the media puts out, most of it is for ratings, sensationalism, and face-time to make it seem some of these idiots know what they're talking about, when most of the time, they don't have a ****ing clue.
    That article just said Mangini forced the Gholston pick on Tannenbaum? I thought the reverse was true...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dustykeller View Post
    There are 2 realistic scenarios regarding Rex's employment.

    1. The new GM will can him immediately and bring in his own people.

    2. Rex will get one more year, watch the offense fail next year (because it's inconceivable they'll fix that mess in 1 offseason) and get canned this time next year.


    Either way, he's done. It's just a matter of "when".
    I think it will get fixed in a year. Look how pathetic we were this year and we were still in the playoff hunt till the last two games. Just the fact that we'll be healthy will help, then add, two new OL, 4 QBs (Sanchez, McElroy, Veteran, Draft pick) to choose from, a new RB, an additional WR. We should be OK on offense. On Defense we just need a Free Safety and OLB. Even if we plug half the holes we'll be a playoff team, if we get good QB and RB play we could go far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long Suffering Jets Fan View Post
    I think it will get fixed in a year. Look how pathetic we were this year and we were still in the playoff hunt till the last two games. Just the fact that we'll be healthy will help, then add, two new OL, 4 QBs (Sanchez, McElroy, Veteran, Draft pick) to choose from, a new RB, an additional WR. We should be OK on offense. On Defense we just need a Free Safety and OLB. Even if we plug half the holes we'll be a playoff team, if we get good QB and RB play we could go far.
    It all starts with the QB.

    Without an NFL-caliber starting QB, we're not going to go far. The 2014 draft has some decent potential franchise QBs.

    Next year will be a wash, imo.....provided the Jets don't make the mistake picking one of the QB turds (Geno Smith/Nassib/Barkely) in the 2013 draft.
    Last edited by dustykeller; 01-01-2013 at 01:42 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainejet View Post
    Rex Ryan WILL be the HC of the NYJ in 2013. He's not only the best candidate for the job, but he's an established, accomplished HC on top of that.

    Anyone who is capable of looking at the big picture and not being stuck on stupid, irrelevant sh*t like foot fetishes knows that Rex Ryan deserves another season to try and get things straightened out.
    Agreed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borgoguy View Post
    Just no rare single malts or bottles of Chateau Margaux.
    unrare single malts are OK??


    Dalwhinnie 15 is my personal favorite... make note

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinny Testaverde's Niece View Post
    Who was he supposed to play instead of Sanchez? I wish people would address this.
    McElroy? Uh, no....Tebow? Uh, no. I guess Sanchez did give us the best opportunity to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nike View Post
    i disagree theres enough cap space wasted on slugs like eric smith cut these guys and theres wiggle room to make upgrades and improve this team.

    im going to repeat myself the ny jets are a feel good sanctuary for over paid end of the road players who wouldnt make other teams rosters.
    ...like the guy in your avatar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dustykeller View Post
    when your starting QB is shellshocked like David Carr, and turning over the football like Lindsay Lohan is turning tricks....yes, you try someone new. Tebow or McElroy should've been given a chance a lot earlier in the season.

    Rex's decision making ability is god awful.
    At the time I thought this too but I've since reconsidered:

    (1) I'm completely convinced that Tebow was never an option to start. He can't throw and with the extra wt he was asked to put on he can't run. I guess Rex already knew this.

    (2) After seeing McElroy (who I had high hopes for), he doesn't have the pocket presence I thought I'd see. I guess Rex already knew this.

    (3) Even with either of the above options in there we didn't have any skill players to get anywhere, so....

    (4) With "The Contract" and Sanchez not going anywhere, Rex had no choice but to hope that Sanchez could turn it around at least while we were still alive. Once hope died he gave McElroy some starts to see what it is.

    With 20/20 hindsight I've no problems with the way Rex handled the QB spot this season. He just had nothing to work with. Further, Rex is one of the the winingist HC in franchise hx. Rex haters, please step off

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    Quote Originally Posted by sg3 View Post
    unrare single malts are OK??


    Dalwhinnie 15 is my personal favorite... make note
    I have power of attorney over my Dad's medical coverage. Once I cancel it, we should be okay with your scotch on the drink menu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long Suffering Jets Fan View Post
    McElroy? Uh, no....Tebow? Uh, no. I guess Sanchez did give us the best opportunity to win.
    what are you basing that on?

    I didn't see Tebow start a game for the Jets, and McElroy had 1 start.


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