Rex, I'd keep him, you wouldn't.
But we both agree, Sanchez sucks. And you do not retain players who suck on a 30 % chance he might be salvagable in a perfect world in a perfect situation with perfect talent around him.
Why SAR, it's nice to find some common ground. As I've said all along, if you need a head to roll, I'll happily trade you Rex's for Sanchez's.
Now, most of that is his fault and he must be held accountable. At the same time, as SAR pointed out, the team and Rex impeded his progress every step of the way.
Sanchez was not always an "abortion" of a player and he proved in the playoffs that he could shine and play his best in the biggest moments, sort of an anti-Romo type of player. There were some blocks to build on with him, but the Jets threw dynamite into the foundation and blew it all up.
I will always believe that if there were a competent coaching staff and offensive skill players here the last two years, he would have grown as a player, not taken several steps backwards. The Sanchez debacle would have NEVER happened with a franchise like Pittsburgh, where players usually improve because of solid coaches and a consistently capable roster of players.
Last edited by TheMikeIsHot; 01-03-2013 at 05:37 AM.
So you're right, that is all....for Mark Sanchez in NY.
How many times did he finish 1st in his division. he made the playoffs 6 times in a row. Did he ever cause a segment of the fanbase to be embarased to be Jet fans. Did he have an owner to write checks? Who lost more prime FA the Pitt during those years. How many different qbs did he make the playoffs with.
Rex deserves to stay on but to compare his accomplishments to Cowher is a stretch.
The average length of employment for an NFL head coach since the start of the 2001 campaign is 3.7 seasons.
Herman Edwards (5 seasons)
Eric Mangini (3 seasons)
Rex Ryan (4 seasons)
Jets average since 2001: 4 seasons which is ahead of the NFL average, not behind it.
The reason you perceive it to be worse than it is is because of the nonsense with Parcells/Groh/Belichick/Edwards which all took place in a 13 month period. Or, perhaps, you are fading back all the way to the mid-90's with Carroll and Kotite which were another anomaly because we were dealing with a old owner who was impatient because he was dying.
Additionally, you're off your rocker if you think that any of these coaching tenures was cut short and hurt the team. If anything, several went on too long and hurt the team. Groh, Edwards, Mangini were all duds who either ran away to college or got a second gig and vanished forever.
This moronic concept of "having consistency at the HC position" only works if you have a fantastic head coach. If not, you're dead. Go ask the Lions. Go ask the Chargers. Having the same HC for 10 years is a dream just like finding a franchise QB for 10 years. If you are incredibly lucky and find one, you are golden. But it can't be manufactured. You can't just say "Herman Edwards I am keeping you for 10 years because that means you're going to be a great head coach". Herman Edwards sucked. Here and in KC, sucked.
If we went with the Warfish plan, Herman Edwards would still be here. We'd have a "consistent" head coach, all right. A consistently lousy head coach.
It's amazing, isn't it? Rex Ryan gets complete control of the franchise and runs it into the ground. "Keep him!" the Rex apologists say. Mark Sanchez has no control and gets run into the ground by Rex Ryan. "Cut him!" the ignorant say.
23 year old kid did pretty well here up to his 25th birthday. Then the wheels fell off the Rex Ryan bus, no playmakers and no support on offense, party over. Blame the quarterback. After all, he's the one who got rid of Jericho Cotchery, Leon Washington, Alan Faneca, Damien Woody, Braylon Edwards, Tony Richardson, Brad Smith, and Ladanian Tomlinson. He's the one who decided that Wayne Hunter was a franchise lineman, that Plaxico Burress could last a whole season, that Dustin Keller could stay healthy. Blame Mark Sanchez! He's the reason for all our problems!
With Rex there is no accountability, he is too loyal, and the best player doesn't always play. Rex will always be the last person in NY to realize we need to make a change to a position.
Cowher has his faults but will get Ina players face and hold them accountable. Sometimes it's ok to keep a guy when your 6-10, but Rex has some of the worst faults a coach could have.
Cowher started his HC career with 4 straight winning seasons and a SB appearance in his 4th year. Rex, on the other hand, only has 2 winning seasons in 4.
Further, Cowher had 6 straight winning seasons until his first losing season in 1998 (7-9) which was followed by the 6-10 season you mentioned in 1999. He then followed that up with 3 straight winning seasons before the 2003 6-10 season you also mentioned.
So, in 12 seasons up and including that point in time, Cowher had 9 winning seasons, 3 losing seasons, 7 playoff appearances, 7 division championships, and 1 SB appearance.
I dare say that if Rex had taken the Jets to the SB this year (his 4th like Cowher) and in 2015 had his first losing season with the team, I don't think fans or the media would be calling for his ouster.
Last edited by SMC; 01-03-2013 at 10:39 AM.
It's all a myth. Two myths, actually:
Myth 1: "The Jets are impatient and fire head coaches too quickly."
Myth 2: "If you keep a head coach for 10+ years he's definitely going to be successful."
Warfish wants to talk about the Jets fans who are fickle. How about we talk about the Jets fans who are complacent. How many people wanted Chad Pennington to stay here forever? "I have a dream" Herman Edwards lovers? Vinny 'Mr. Long Island' Testaverde? It goes on and on and on. They adopt them. They're like puppies. Doesn't matter that they suck. Just can't let go.
Just because "Jets" and "Mets" rhyme doesn't mean both fanbases should act the same way.
To correct your misrepresentation, I am 100% fine if Rex is fired by our new GM. If the GM feels we can do better, I support that.
Are you supportive if the new GM feels we can do better at QB, given you have stated clearly that Mark Sanchez sucks, is is at best only a 30% chance to be salvagable, and even then only with an elite team almost everywhere else around him?
Are you as supportive of ending complacentcy at QB, where we are the worst team in the NFL the last 4 years, as you are at Head Coach?
If you are, then we agree. Whatever the new GM feels is best for the team, at Coach and at QB. Even if we individually may feel the Coach (you) or the QB (me) are the worst thing possible.
I'm not a Mets Fan, so I wouldn't know how that Fanbase acts or thinks. My apologies.Just because "Jets" and "Mets" rhyme doesn't mean both fanbases should act the same way.