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    When Sanchez snub Holmes at the end of 2011 season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAR I View Post
    Here's the honest answer: Rex Ryan's big mouth.

    November 13, 2011 was the day that Rex Ryan ended. Patriots 37 Jets 16.

    Rex put all his eggs in that basket. That was the day that we were going to surpass the Patriots and put them in our rearview mirror. But Bill Belichick thought otherwise. The team never believed in Rex Ryan again after that day. The fans thought that after the playoff pounding we'd overtake New England and instead were handed a humiliating and thorough defeat.

    Going into that game, we were on an 18-9 run with 5 victories against elite teams.

    Since that game, the New York Jets are 9-15 with a 1-11 record against teams that end the year with a winning record.

    A complete and utter reversal of fortune. That's what happens when your head coach stands up and can't back it up. Players stop believing. Then they start losing.

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    lol you have more of a crazy imagination than a 6 year old...The players NEVER stopped believing in Rex. They did stop believing in your bf qb last year and rightfully so.. The team fought back this year after being hopeless at 3-6, Rex had them fighting for a shot at playoffs even though they had the worst qb in the NFL and with no backup on the bench to rescue team. This media as we know too well picks up every ounce of chatter in the locker room, we all heard about players doubting mark last year, came out in media after season last yr. I have NEVER heard 1 player doubt rex, all positive. Look at the eagles, they lost last 8 of 9 games? thats a team quitting on their coach.. Reid may think he is great but he looks like a dick, and maybe thats why the players stopped playing for him because he is.. The players respect Rex a lot, as LT,Mangold recently just said. They dont believe in Mark Sanchez anymore thats for sure, and may even start to turn on Rex if he stays with that loser any longer.

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    When Rex inked himself and forever linked himself with Sanchez.

    If I can go way back I like what someone said about when Favre got hurt...that 2008 team would've been dangerous with a healthy Favre, and who knows if he comes back in '09 (turned out to be one of his best years)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsfan789 View Post


    When Rex inked himself and forever linked himself with Sanchez.

    If I can go way back I like what someone said about when Favre got hurt...that 2008 team would've been dangerous with a healthy Favre, and who knows if he comes back in '09 (turned out to be one of his best years)
    Farve was a top 5, maybe top 3 qb in 09. If we had a average qb we make it to the superbowl atleast in 09.. But we had a slow rookie (and I dont mean 40 time) but he came out early after only playing 1 year, cant expect a whole lot.. After leading 17-14 at half, Sanchez couldnt move the ball at all in 2nd half and we dont score a point in 2nd half..

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    The 2011 Jets were 8-5 when the wheels came off on Dec 18.

    The ghetto inside Santonio Holmes took over as Sanchez slipped into a funk of mental laziness and never returned.

    The big game clutch playmaker that was Mark Sanchez in '09-'10 is lost forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDNYjets View Post
    YES!!!!!

    Why is this overlooked by so many fans. Just look at the players we lost and the contracts we restructured to make room for Aso.

    But we can also looking to Rex allowing himself and the team to celebrate the NE game as it were the SB. In hindsight that was a fireable offense.
    Come on man! If you had just been on national TV spotlight and got pasted 45-3 in front of everyone don't you think you would have been overjoyed beating them and sending them home to think about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetrider View Post
    The 2011 Jets were 8-5 when the wheels came off on Dec 18.

    The ghetto inside Santonio Holmes took over as Sanchez slipped into a funk of mental laziness and never returned.

    The big game clutch playmaker that was Mark Sanchez in '09-'10 is lost forever.
    Holmes isn't ghetto and doesn't have it in him. He was as mad at Mark Sanchez as we are now. He just saw a QB that was getting him killed and couldn't throw an accurate pass if he had Montana's arm sewed on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wepnx View Post
    Holmes isn't ghetto and doesn't have it in him. He was as mad at Mark Sanchez as we are now. He just saw a QB that was getting him killed and couldn't throw an accurate pass if he had Montana's arm sewed on.
    Holmes dropped many balls that hit his hands - when he wasn't dogging the routes that is.

    His poisonous attitude was back before the regular season started.

    He's a walking cloud of nerve gas that'll cripple our chances again in '13.

    Thanks for trying though.

    I knew some vermin with a few hundred posts would crawl out from under the floorboards with some idiotic rebuttal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsfan789 View Post


    When Rex inked himself and forever linked himself with Sanchez.

    If I can go way back I like what someone said about when Favre got hurt...that 2008 team would've been dangerous with a healthy Favre, and who knows if he comes back in '09 (turned out to be one of his best years)
    That's a great turn of phrase, right there.

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    When the 1st SOJF in captivity was scraped off a sheet

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    Over estimating Sanchez

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamers View Post
    Trading up and drafting Sanchez. End of story.
    He got us to the playoffs on the skills of others and lacking solid experience in college or proper coaching in the pros, Tanny rewarded San hes with a contract that tied up the cap into 2014

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    Rex thinking ( or saying) that the personal on this team was good. He thought ( or said) 90% of them were the best in the league, and they started believing it.
    Last edited by ctjetfan; 01-06-2013 at 09:27 AM.

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    Single move?

    When Santonio Holmes disgraced himself and his team in Miami with so much at stake and he received no discipline except from Wayne Hunter on the field.

    The circus was in full swing from then on..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleansweep2013 View Post
    lol you have more of a crazy imagination than a 6 year old...The players NEVER stopped believing in Rex. They did stop believing in your bf qb last year and rightfully so.. The team fought back this year after being hopeless at 3-6, Rex had them fighting for a shot at playoffs even though they had the worst qb in the NFL and with no backup on the bench to rescue team. This media as we know too well picks up every ounce of chatter in the locker room, we all heard about players doubting mark last year, came out in media after season last yr. I have NEVER heard 1 player doubt rex, all positive. Look at the eagles, they lost last 8 of 9 games? thats a team quitting on their coach.. Reid may think he is great but he looks like a dick, and maybe thats why the players stopped playing for him because he is.. The players respect Rex a lot, as LT,Mangold recently just said. They dont believe in Mark Sanchez anymore thats for sure, and may even start to turn on Rex if he stays with that loser any longer.
    Going into that game, we were on an 18-9 run with 5 victories against elite teams.

    Since that game, the New York Jets are 9-15 with a 1-11 record against teams that end the year with a winning record.

    You need to look at the importance of that game and the head coach whose bluster didn't work that night. It's the turning point. Our team flipped from elite to scrub by getting blasted by the Patriots, have never recovered.

    SAR I

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    Cool

    A couple of people have said this and it's true: the Jets handled the lockout off season worse than any other team in the league. We can cry that it's bad luck, like the torrential rainstorm before the '83 AFC championship, but if those Jets were truly SB material, they find a way to win that game. The lockout timing sucked but other teams handled it well, we should have too. Not re-signing Braylon, letting go of Cotchery, bringing in Mason. Holmes was over paid but the Jets were looking to keep a legit WR for their QB. Then you add the 2012 off season moves which were even worse. Two straight years of very bad moves, and I think what really galls us fans is it should have been obvious to Tanny like it was to us that those moves didn't look good at the time, and we were right. TO THIS DAY, we STILL don't know why Braylon was never re-signed. We never got an answer to that.

    The god news is some good moves this off season can put the Jets back into playoff contention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASG0531 View Post
    Honestly? Believing that they had a sustainable model for success with Sanchez at the helm. The defense, running game, and O-line could never maintain that level at the same time for much longer. The only chance the Jets had to maintain their level of success was for Sanchez to fundamentally improve and take on a much bigger role for the team.

    There are a lot of reasons why this didn't happen but that's the biggest issue.
    +1

    There was veteran FA talent we were ultimately going to lose -- it wasn't possible to keep the talent level where it was. Outside of the QB position we had one of the most talented rosters in the league in 09-10.

    The reality is that in year three, when Sanchez was asked to do more, he fell flat on his face and sucked.

    Drafting Sanchez was the biggest single mistake of the Rex/Tanny era. There were many smaller mistakes in player acquisition and roster movement, but if you had to say "what was the biggest single error you'd love to change" it's Sanchez.

    Put a veteran QB on the Jets in 09 and we win the Super Bowl.
    Last edited by Austin; 01-06-2013 at 10:45 AM.

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    Two things. Alan Faneca and Damien Woody. After losing these two pieces, the Oline has never been the same. Then Sanchez ran into the Ravens early last season and they took his heart. He has been a shell of himself ever since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by copernicus View Post
    Single move?

    When Santonio Holmes disgraced himself and his team in Miami with so much at stake and he received no discipline except from Wayne Hunter on the field.

    The circus was in full swing from then on..........
    That's not entirely correct. It was OC Brian Schottenheimer who took that joker off the instead of the HC who didn't know what was going on .

    The Jets are the Joke they are because the 2 men who showed the greatest leadership on the team skills have been villified by the Fans and subsequently fired by the owner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GandWFan View Post
    Two things. Alan Faneca and Damien Woody. After losing these two pieces, the Oline has never been the same. Then Sanchez ran into the Ravens early last season and they took his heart. He has been a shell of himself ever since.
    And that is why it is the single most important job of this new GM to rebuild the OL,find atleast 1 OLber who can start from day 1, draft a developmental QB with upside(Zack Dysert) and get rid of as much salary heading into this yr as he can.

    The Jets are an awful team, with many solid football players that should be used to fill out the roster. Begin here and go from there with the young DLmen and Nick Mangold. Everyone else is available in trade for the right price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GandWFan View Post
    Two things. Alan Faneca and Damien Woody. After losing these two pieces, the Oline has never been the same. Then Sanchez ran into the Ravens early last season and they took his heart. He has been a shell of himself ever since.
    Faneca is/was massively overrated.Woody though is missed.if anything he was vastly underrated.

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