Let's start small.
How is the team currently being run 'like garbage'?
Many Jets fans are disgusted with the state of this franchise, the people in charge of the team and the way they conduct themselves publicly. Yet one of the themes that I continue to see from some of the posters here is the notion that if you complain a lot then you are somehow a bad fan, grouped into the ridiculous SOJF (same old Jets fan) category. Its as if complaining about a bad product, one in which you may be paying for, makes you the problem instead of the people producing the inferior product. Nothing could be further from the truth.
The fans have an absolute right to express frustration; this team is currently being run like garbage. The reasons are plentiful and well documented in other threads, so there is no need to expound on them here. But the larger point is that being critical when the team is being run poorly actually makes you a good fan. Its not the same as being critical for the sake of complaining or complaining about a winning organization who had a bad season. Certainly a fan who is negative for the sake of negativity is not a good fan. But being a good fan does not mean having to swallow everything that is said by the owner, coach and gm as if it is gospel. I would argue that fans that swallow whole the company lines and accept mediocrity (or worse) are the worst type of fans.
The fans are the life blood of any sports organization. We give ratings through our viewing habits, pay the astronomical ticket and stadium prices, buy the merchandise and directly and indirectly promote the team in various ways. Sometimes empty seats and shelves with unsold merchandise speaks louder, and more effeciently, then the fan who makes excuses for every busted draft pick and poor coaching decision.
Last edited by intelligentjetsfan; 01-08-2013 at 01:53 PM.
Let's start small.
How is the team currently being run 'like garbage'?
Fan stands for a Fanatic. Fanatic in general has a negative connotation. I respect all sides and no fan is right all the time.
There are 32 teams and they spend a lot to build a team and get good players and coaches. The coaches usually come from winning franchises. They get to draft good players just like we do. It is the exception to get an Andrew Luck, a Peyton Manning, a Tom Brady, A Drew Brees .... We have to compete against a Tom Brady twice a year. Chances are we are going to lose those games.
In other words, it aint easy to win and sometmes you lose and have to move on and come up with another plan.
I think it's knowing to stack up your supply of Advil/Tylenol for the season.
Let's see who they bring in at GM and OC and take it from there. Things were bad in 2012, no doubt, but changes are being made to fix the situation.
To be a good Jets fan, one must be thick skinned, have a chip on their shoulder and drink... often. Deafness would help also.
Digust, driven by ignorance (they do not know who made what decisions, nor do they know what alternatives would be better) and prodded on by a hostile, hateful, media who profits on making Fans hate their own team enough to read every world they write, tweet or burp.
Not true. Fans have every right to complain if they are displeased.Yet one of the themes that I continue to see from some of the posters here is the notion that if you complain a lot then you are somehow a bad fan
Other fans, however, have the right to look at these often irrational, illogical and detail/alternative-limited complaining fans and wonder what they're thinking, and why change for changes sake is always their answer every year, and why they always seem to hate every player and coach on our team but love every other guy in the league, and why they seem to suddenly love ex-Jets the day they leave the Jets, when they hated them two minutes earlier.....
If Fan pressure plays any part on the rapid rotation of Coaches and players on the Jets, then yes, in some viewpoints, thats a big part of the problem. Lack of patience is as deadly to development as being overly patient with mediocrity.Its as if complaining about a bad product, one in which you may be paying for, makes you the problem instead of the people producing the inferior product. Nothing could be further from the truth.
In addition, it's often HOW the argument is put forth, not the argument itself.
"Sanchez should be dumped because of stats A, B, C, and D, factors Q, R and X, and references X and Z. We'd be better off with #1, #4 or #18 because of X, Y, Z." is good complaining.
"Woody is moron, we're doomed, we'll never win anythign till he is gone!!!! We should trade for Peyton Manning dammit!!!!" is not.
That is just ranting, without support, and for something that is a virtual impossibllity of changing.
Agreed.The fans have an absolute right to express frustration
In your opinion, and without supporting arguments to make your case beyond "yeah, like some other threads explain it and stuff".this team is currently being run like garbage
IMO Typical New York Sports Fan, the "best fans" are the ones with the most and loudest hatred for everything their team does. They are Francessa-clones.But the larger point is that being critical when the team is being run poorly actually makes you a good fan.
I would argue that fans that swallow whole the company lines and accept mediocrity (or worse) are the worst type of fans.
The worst fans are anyone who has patience or support for anyone currently on or involved with the team.
You take what the media says, you take what others say, and you present it as fact. And then, mass hysteria ensues.
It is opinion.
The masses will probably say that today's press conference was nothing but two incompetent idiots rambling on about the team's future direction with no plan in place. The Mike Francesa's, the Manish Mehta's, the countless JI posters. They'll still think Rex is getting fired, that it's all a ruse, that there must be something else going on behind the scenes. Because again, opinion is fact. And anything contradicting opinion must be wrong.
On the other hand, I would personally say that today I saw two individuals not satisfied with results, but are proven and capable of succeeding again. That are driven to reach that level of success again and are beginning the pursuit to reach the success they expect of themselves as we speak, both internally and in the public eye. Through all the nonsense written about them, I saw two individuals address the media as professionals.
Of course, this is also my opinion. It is not fact. But my opinion and others like it won't be written in the New York Post tomorrow. It won't be discussed by callers on WFAN. Mass hysteria sells.
So what does it mean to be a good Jets fan? Forming your own opinion. If you think this team is a disaster, you are entitled to think so. But please have your own opinion as to why they are a disaster, and not some reasons you've quoted from the Daily News or Jets Insider.
When I saw Luck getting hit and he out muscled the DE and got away I said wow. It brought to mind JJ Watt scaring the bajesus out of Sanchez.
I want a QB like Ben Roethlisberger, Andrew Luck, etc who are strong enough to take a hit and not let them get rattled but only to motivate them to beat the opponent. Obviously those teams lost and need other pieces going foward but it's a start.
Need to have PSLs
Oh and the owner letting a subordinate choose his "boss" is laughable, commical and a complete joke.
This is the true definition of "The fish stinking from the head down".
Is that "small" enough?
2. It was two years of success, one year of mediocrity, one year of failure.
Opinion, which you're entitled to. Not fact. Most teams and fans consider AFCCG years as reasonable success.and it has been a failure no matter what anyone says, zero championships = failure in my opinion, especially after no SB appearancesin 40+ years.
If you see "one more year or you're fired" as a "do over" or free pass, again, thats your opinion and you're entitled to hold it.So now, he gets a pass and a "do over"
Assumes the problem was primarily Rex's Coaching, not Sanchez's worst-in-NFL play. Again, there is a sharp disagreement over who is responsible. Not everyone agrees it was on Rex in a season where he lost his best talent on O, best talent on D, and was all but forced to play the worst QB in the NFL of the past 4 years.we are expected to believe Rex has finally figured out what he needs to do to improve as a HC, and improve the standing of this franchise? Maybe you were born yesterday but I sure as hell wasn't. Give me a break.
Happens regularly in the NFL between Coaches and Front Office. For example, Andy Reid this year, Shannahan when he wa shired by the Redskins, Tuna here in New York, and every Coach who was ever granted "full control", etc.Oh and the owner letting a subordinate choose his "boss" is laughable, commical and a complete joke.
Given your rant included few actual facts, aand mostly the usual assortment of anger, opinion and personal vitriol and SOJF-40-Years-****-You-Jets bitterness?Is that "small" enough?