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    My best spin for the Cohen leaks: Woody's people are trying to raise his stock in the eyes of the NFL for his future job prospects because he's well thought of in the org., but have no intention of giving him the job.

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    Stop over-thinking this.

    Scott Cohen will be our GM. Rex is backing him. That is why we keep hearing his name pop up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlairThomasFumble View Post
    My best spin for the Cohen leaks: Woody's people are trying to raise his stock in the eyes of the NFL for his future job prospects because he's well thought of in the org., but have no intention of giving him the job.





    "So let it be written, so let it be done"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARodFLKeysJetsFan View Post
    I don't think the Thomas Jones trade comes anywhere close to what we gave up to move up and select Dewayne Robertson.
    Considering those picks turned out to be

    Michael Haynes DE
    Rex Grossman QB
    Todd Johnson S

    that trade was a wash...Jones was a HR

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mart View Post
    Considering those picks turned out to be

    Michael Haynes DE
    Rex Grossman QB
    Todd Johnson S

    that trade was a wash...Jones was a HR
    He didn't make good picks but it could have just as easily went the other way had he selected 3 starters or probowlers - and I think people actually forget, Rex Grossman did take the Bears to a superbowl as their starting QB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARodFLKeysJetsFan View Post
    He didn't make good picks but it could have just as easily went the other way had he selected 3 starters or probowlers.
    I wouldn't mind trading some of the Jets aging "stars" for picks

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARodFLKeysJetsFan View Post
    He didn't make good picks but it could have just as easily went the other way had he selected 3 starters or probowlers - and I think people actually forget, Rex Grossman did take the Bears to a superbowl as their starting QB.
    yep..and DRob could have turned into a HOF player..But neither occurred...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seth View Post
    http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-be...draft-history/

    ''In this writerís opinion, there is no hiding it: Jerry Angelo is a bad GM. But, based on multiple reports citing team sources, it appears as if he is coming back for the 2012 season. Should this be the case, it will make Jerry the general manager for one of the most important drafts in recent Chicago Bearsí history.

    There are so many positions the Bears have to nail in this draft; so many players needed to fill a void. It will be impossible to come out with everything they need. But, with the right amount of luck and proper scouting and talent evaluation, they can come close.

    So, how do we know if we can expect that? Itís simple; let the record do the talking. Letís take a look at the entire Chicago Bearsí draft history under Jerryís regime, and then you can decide if you think the afore mentioned is possible. Grab the barf bag, people:

    2002 Draft Class

    1st: OL Marc Colombo - Couldn't stay healthy in Chicago, but went on to have a solid career in Dallas.
    3rd: DB Roosevelt Williams - Iím not even sure who he is.
    3rd: OL Terrence Metcalf - Somehow, Metcalf stuck on the roster for 9 seasons, despite being terrible. Now out of the NFL.
    4th: DE Alex Brown - Very solid late round pick. Good defensive end for a long time, and should have never been cut.
    5th: DB Bobby Gray - Another bad defensive back that never did anything in the NFL.
    5th: LB Bryan Knight - Yeah, who's this guy? Heís no longer in the NFL, and only lasted two seasons.
    6th: RB Adrian Peterson - A utility player for the most part. Good on special teams, and was a good back up running back.
    6th: WR Jamin Elliot - Never caught a pass.
    6th: TE Bryan Fletcher - Never played a down for the Bears, and was out of the league shortly after.
    2003 Draft Class

    1st: DE Michael Haynes - A continuation of the 1st round Angelo busts.
    1st: QB Rex Grossman - No need for an explanation here. Good Rex, bad Rex turned out to be a solid back up in the NFL today.
    2nd: DB Charles Tillman - Maybe Angelo's best pick ever. Tillman has proven to be the best corner in Bears history, and he notched his first Pro Bowl ever this year.
    3rd: LB Lance Briggs: Another great Angelo pick. Briggs will go down as a top 10 Bears linebacker ever. Seven straight Pro Bowl seasons.
    4th: Todd Johnson - Not the worst player in the world, just nothing special. Decent back up, and a solid special teams contributor. Out of the NFL.
    4th: DT Ian Scott - Not a great player, but in a defensive line rotation, he could contribute a bit. Nothing special. Now out of the NFL.
    5th: WR Bobby Wade- This guy got cut because he fumbled punt returns, and he was a bad receiver. Bad pick.
    5th: WR Justin Gage: Never did anything on the Bears, and couldn't catch a pass with his stone hands. Found some life on the Titans, but nothing to hoot and holler about.
    5th: DL Tron LaFavor - Zero sacks in his NFL career.
    6th: LB Joe Odom - Never saw any playing time after the Bears got rid of him.
    6th: RB Brock Forsey - Two years, two teams, and is now out of the NFL.
    7th: WR Bryan Anderson - I have no clue who this even was, and apparently he never made a roster.
    2004 Draft Class

    1st: DT Tommie Harris - For 3 years, Harris was the most dominant defensive tackle in the league. Unfortunately, he had horrible injuries and bad knees. Good guy, and a great player for the first few years.
    2nd: DT Tank Johnson - Everyone remembers the weapons he had. But when Tommie went down in 2006, Johnson played a key role in the Bears going to the Superbowl.
    3rd: WR Bernard Berrian - It's safe to say, Rex Grossman made Berrian. Got him a big contract, and then he disappeared. One trick pony.
    4th: DB Nathan Vasher - Had a few good seasons, making the most of poorly throw passes. Got a probowl out of him, and then he turned out to be horrible in coverage. Injuries killed Vasher.
    4th: LB Leon Joe - Never did anything, now out of the NFL.
    5th: DL Claude Harriott - Who?
    5th: QB Craig Krenzel - I'm not even going to remind you, I don't think thats necessary.
    7th DB Alfonso Marshall Ė Uhhh ... Who?
    2005 Draft Class

    1st: RB Cedric Benson - Bust (For the Bears at least).
    2nd: WR Mark Bradley - A big time reach, for a receiver that barely did anything in college. Blew out his knee in 2005 and that was the end of Bradley.
    4th: QB Kyle Orton - Everyone and their brother knows about the Kyle Orton era. He turned out to be a solid, capable starter. Not a franchise by any means, but heís a guy who you can win with.
    5th: WR Airese Currie - All the hype around this guy and his speed, never got him on the field.
    6th: DB Chris Harris - Solid player in the NFL for a while. Harris was a good pick, who helped contribute immediately.
    7th: DB Rodriques Wilson - Good special teams player, but was never anything more than that.
    2006 Draft Class

    2nd: DB Danieal Manning - Lovie moved Manning around every year, and he played well at each position. Good nickel back, and in his final year, turned into a solid strong safety. Also turned out to be one of the best kick returners in the NFL.
    2nd. DB Devin Hester - Most thought that he would be nothing but a kick and punt returner. Well, thatís what he is...but heís the best to ever do it.
    3rd: DT Dusty Dvoracek - Dusty couldn't stay healthy, and never contributed that much when he was. Wasted pick.
    4th: LB Jamar Williams - Williams never amounted to anything in the NFL. Currently not on a roster.
    5th: Mark Anderson - Anderson burst onto the scene with 12.5 sacks in his rookie year, but fell off after that. Has found new life in New England, but never did anything else on the Bears post 2006.
    6th: RB J.D. Runnels - Never saw any action in the regular season.
    6th: G Tyler Reed - Who?
    2007 Draft Class

    1st: TE Greg Olsen - Was becoming Cutlers best friend until Mike Martz arrived, and was traded for a 3rd round pick. Very good pass catching tight end.
    2nd: DE Dan Bazuin - With the 2nd round pick they got for Thomas Jones, they drafted Bazuin. Needless to say, Bazuin never saw the field.
    3rd: RB Garrett Wolfe - Big time reach for a miniature running back. Made special teams plays, and got arrested in the off-season.
    3rd: LB Michael Okwo - I still don't remember ever seeing Okwo on the field. Not in the NFL anymore.
    4th: OG Josh Beekman - Was drafted to be the future center, then they made him a guard...then he was a center...and then he was cut.
    5th: DB Kevin Payne - Payne made a few plays in his time in Chicago, but ended up just being bad. Got cut by the Bears, and picked up by St. Louis. Ultimately, he couldn't stay healthy at all. Not in the NFL.
    5th: DB Corey Graham - Graham played well when he was asked to start in 2008, and is a big time star on special teams. Graham is the best gunner in the league, and even made plays when inserted at nickel back this season. Notched his first Pro Bowl this season.
    7th: DB Trumaine McBride - Never amounted to much in the NFL, but is still floating around a roster somewhere.
    7th: Aaron Brant - Seriously, I've never even heard of this guy until now. Lets just say, hes not in the NFL ... or ever really was.
    2008 Draft Class

    1st: OT Chris Williams - Came in hurt, and bad at left tackle. Has found new life at left guard, but overall is a bust. The Bears drafted him to be a left tackle, and hes now a left guard.
    2nd: RB Matt Forte - A rare great offensive pick for Angelo. Got his first probowl season this year, and is on his way to a nice contract. But according to reports, the reason the Bears drafted him, is because Lovie wanted him and pushed for him.
    3rd: WR Earl Bennett - Best Bears receiver in a long time. Jay's go to guy, and someone who is a real wide receiver. Just inked a nice extension.
    3rd: DT Marcus Harrison - Constantly fat and out of shape.
    4th: DB Craig Steltz - Not a starter, but has proven to be good safety depth.
    5th: DB Zack Bowman - Consistently getting beat for big touchdowns. Complete waste.
    5th: TE Kellen Davis - Hasn't contributed too much, but 9 of his 28 career catches are touchdowns. Hasn't been able to show if he can do anything since he's in a Mike Martz offense.
    7th: DE Ervin Baldwin - Never contributed.
    7th: OG Chester Adams - Adams never once got onto the field.
    7th: LB Joey LaRocque - Currently not employed in the NFL.
    7th: OT Kirk Barton - Yet another guy who couldn't even stick on a roster.
    7th: WR Marcus Monk - Went back to college and played basketball.
    Throwing up yet?

    2009 Draft Class

    3rd: Jaron Gilbert - This guy could jump out of a pool, but couldn't shed a block.
    3rd: Juaquin Iglesias - Never saw any action on the field, and has yet to record a catch in the NFL.
    4th: DE Henry Melton - Having himself a solid year, statistically. Lovie and the gang changed his position to defensive tackle, and hes excelled at times.
    4th: DB D.J. Moore - Very good nickel back, and is probably the best blitzer the Bears have on the roster. Good later round find by Angelo.
    5th: WR Johnny Knox - One of the most frustrating players in recent Bears history. With speed that makes your head spin, he just leaves you scratching your head at times. After getting hurt this season, who knows if he will ever play again.
    5th: LB Marcus Freeman - Angelo has a history of finding bad linebackers that don't even make a roster.
    6th: DB Al Afalava - Showed flashes here and there, but ultimately was cut. No longer on an NFL roster.
    7th: OG Lance Louis - Louis has turned into a solid player. He has looked good at right guard, and even at right tackle from time to time. Worth keeping on the roster moving forward.
    7th: WR Derek Kinder - Yeah, this guy isn't in the NFL.
    2010 Draft Class

    3rd: DB Major Wright - He left college early because he was going to get replaced, and hasn't done much at the next level. Wright hasn't been able to stay healthy, and is very inconsistent.
    4th: DE Corey Wootton - outside of ending Favre's career, Wootton hasn't been healthy enough to even know what the Bears have in him.
    5th: DB Joshua More - Hasn't done anything in the NFL.
    6th: QB Dan LeFevour - Didn't make the Bears roster.
    7th: OT J'Marcus Webb - Is Webb the future left tackle? No way, but he has been solid. For a 7th round pick, this has been an okay pick.
    2011 Draft Class

    1st: OT Gabe Carimi - Season was ended by a knee injury, giving Bears fans visions of Marc Columbo all over again.
    2nd: DT Stephen Paea - The Bears traded up to get this guy, and he has looked okay at times. Seems like they might have found themselves a good defensive tackle moving forward. The jury is still out.
    3rd: DB Chris Conte - After the horrible play of the Bears safeties, Conte was forced into action early. He has looked okay, but had his season ended by an injury. Conte might be an okay player moving forward, but he's nothing to hang your hat on.
    5th: QB Nathan Enderle - Martz wanted this kid in the draft, and hes the typical big slow Mike Martz quarterback. But he hasn't seen the field since Jay got hurt, and will be gone once Martz is gone.
    6th. LB J.T. Thomas - Rookie season was ended by an injury, and he now rests on injured reserve.
    Total draft picks: 82

    Still on the roster: 22

    That number is staggering. How on earth is Angelo still the Bears general manager? This doesn't even include his free agency issues. Jerry is completely inept at drafting, and he needs to go.

    The Bears need too many positions to even fill, and if they miss on more than one pick in 2012, the organization will be set back for a long time. Look at the Packers, most of their starters and stars are draft picks. Now look where they are in the NFL. Take a look at where the Bears are without Jay Cutler. That says enough right there to fire the GM.

    Chicago needs a number 1 wide receiver, a left tackle, Urlacher's replacement, another real cornerback, a tight end, a defensive tackle, a strong side linebacker, a strong and a free safety Ö and then some. My headís spinning.''
    My god, this is a terrible track record. Hiring this guy would be a DISASTER. Maybe this is Woody's idea of Waterboarding?

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    The Thomas Jones was a FAIR trade. Jerry Angelo and Mike Tannenbaum believed and followed the value chart for draft picks. Many GM's have followed that chart since its creation.

    To the casual observer it would appear the Jets got worked over. But if you are knowledgeable enough you'd figure out that is how teams work trades involving draft picks.

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    Why does this organization continue to make ass backwards decisions? Why do they continue to be attracted to failure? I know its just tweet news and nothing concrete but you can't feel good with direction and focus this team is heading and it starts with the idiot owner at top.

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    NOOOOOO!

    Angelo is garbage.
    He busts out in the first round every time.

    I live in the Chicago area and can't stress enough how bad this guy is.
    Not to insult anyone who's for the hire, but it's a clear case of "out-of-town stupid"

    He was able to keep the Bears competitive even though his drafts were garbage by signing free agents.

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    This is worst case scenario in my opinion.

    The Bears made a superbowl under Jerry Angelo, let's get that out of the way right away. That will be everyone's arguing point to back him.

    Under his watch(10 years) they made the playoffs 3 other times. 4 playoff appearances in 10 years, and he is the guy we are looking to lead our franchise? I can't phathom this decision making process.

    Angelo hasn't had a solid draft since about 2004 and has had some terrible, terrible drafts in the past 5 years.

    I can't and will not get on board with this one. I have never, ever been the type of fan to not give someone a shot if they are hired or drafted by my team, Angelo will be the first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chops44 View Post
    NOOOOOO!

    Angelo is garbage.
    He busts out in the first round every time.

    I live in the Chicago area and can't stress enough how bad this guy is.
    Not to insult anyone who's for the hire, but it's a clear case of "out-of-town stupid"

    He was able to keep the Bears competitive even though his drafts were garbage by signing free agents.
    Sounds a lot like Tanny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IRONFAN 40 View Post
    Why does this organization continue to make ass backwards decisions? Why do they continue to be attracted to failure? I know its just tweet news and nothing concrete but you can't feel good with direction and focus this team is heading and it starts with the idiot owner at top.
    That is a very accurate description of this organization. Well done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by section314 View Post
    My god, this is a terrible track record. Hiring this guy would be a DISASTER. Maybe this is Woody's idea of Waterboarding?

    As info....Perhaps the Bears scouts sucked, which of course was still Angelo's responsibility to evaluate and make changes, if necessary

    Phil Emery revamps Bears' scouting department

    http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-be...ng-department/

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mart View Post
    As info....Perhaps the Bears scouts sucked, which of course was still Angelo's responsibility to evaluate and make changes, if necessary

    Phil Emery revamps Bears' scouting department

    http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-be...ng-department/
    A very good and overlooked point - a GM is only as good as his scouting department when it comes to drafting.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by section314 View Post
    That is a very accurate description of this organization. Well done.
    Agreed. the formula for success is not a secret. Giants, Steelers, Pats, Ravens.


    DRAFT well, develop players, solid QB play and now, more recently....


    Balanced offense, ground and pound is DEAD. Teams will regularly score 21 points or more no matter what REX does.

    we need offense too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IRONFAN 40 View Post
    Why does this organization continue to make ass backwards decisions? Why do they continue to be attracted to failure? I know its just tweet news and nothing concrete but you can't feel good with direction and focus this team is heading and it starts with the idiot owner at top.
    Quote Originally Posted by section314 View Post
    That is a very accurate description of this organization. Well done.
    our new GM


    His secretary:

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARodFLKeysJetsFan View Post
    A very good and overlooked point - a GM is only as good as his scouting department when it comes to drafting.....
    Correct but he is responsible for building a good scouting department...
    Maybe all of us on JI can get a discount for group therapy... This team is driving us all crazy!!!

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    I don't remember all the names, but he drafted an injured player in round one like 3-4 years in a row.
    Half the time that guy didn't even play his first year and was bad after that.

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