A) Winning a Super Bowl
Those are the only two things that allow really angry, jealous Jets fans such as yourself to sleep peacefully at night.
I don't even hate Peyton, in fact many Pats fans like him. He's a douche, but so is Brady and Rodgers. And of course Brady has to win it all again to prove something, no one is disputing that.
You are desperate for an elite QB and slamming right and left all of the fans of teams who have one.
The Pats have made back-to-back AFC Championship games. Apparently this is an impressive accomplishment.
I get to root for my team next Sunday. What are you gonna do?
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PMarsico is absolutely fuming right now. It's going to probably take a day or two for him to settle so maybe we should all exit this thread and let him settle down. He has Sanchez to look forward to next season.
If Manning were to retire after this year, then by my calculations - all Brady would need to next year to be equal is:
Throw for 14,681 yards – 102 tds, and about 75% percentage
I love clueless Pat fans. At least you used to be able to say (before Eli proved more clutch) Tom Brady is clutch in the playoffs!
Eli - last year - 9 tds - 1 ints and monster yards too... far better than Brady ever performed.
Sorry just speaking the truth.
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It's that simple.
With that said, Manning is a superior regular season QB. He's got 100 more TD's than Brady, a higher career completion percentage, 15,000 more yards, and is only a year older than Brady, meaning Brady will likely finish his career behind Peyton in those statistical categories.
As I said before: Marino is the best QB I've ever seen. He never won a title. That is my opinion.
I only wonder if you were able to switch venue's between Brady and Manning, would Brady fared as well? My point is IMHO, Tom has been the benefactor of much better coaching than Manning. And I think that makes a difference statistically, especially since this is the ultimate team sport. Don't get me wrong, I think Tommy Boy is one helluva QB, and one of the best to ever play the game (again IMHO), but I just wonder if situations were reversed.....
I would pay money to watch Dan Marino play QB ahead of any others in history.
It's that simple. If you don't like my assessment, tough ****. Go to the Pats boards and blow Brady like everybody else.
No matter what you say or do, the margins are too tight and I can subjectively make the call here:
Peyton's better than Brady.
Marino's better than both.
Bradshaw and Montana are both also better than Brady from a purely winning standpoint, but if Brady can win a title without his head coach cheating, then I will move him ahead of Bradshaw.
That does not change the fact that he exists largely on YAC and isn't as much fun to watch as any of the other QB's on here, even Bradshaw, who lived largely off the acrobatics of Stallworth and Swann, Montana and Rice, Marino and whatever scrub he felt like making a Pro-Bowler or Peyton being the offensive coordinator and QB at the same time and is scarily accurate.
Brady ranks 5th on my list with an asterisk. I posted it earlier. There's nothing to argue.
Your perspective is your's mine is mine.
Hell if I'm paying, I'll even admit that I find Brees, Rodgers, RG3, and Eli more entertaining to watch than Brady.
Brady is a great QB, but it's alot of dinky-doo. I don't find multiple set slot passes exciting. I don't think Welker's any better than Chrebet.
I don't like the Ron Earhardt/Weis offense cool or fun or interesting.
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How come your team hasn't won a Super Bowl since Spygate? Please enlighten me on the facts, so I can be clear here, since you are obviously fact-based and can confirm that the Pats never cheated from 2000-07.
You keep bringing up cheating. Please explain how taping signals helps them win games.
I look forward to your deflection.
Did Clemens take steroids after the Sox let him go? A US court found him innocent."The funny thing about that is in the end everything is brought before the light of day when it's all said and done," Harbaugh said. "So what happens is, even the thing in New England, no matter whether those things had any impact on their championships or not, they've got asterisks now. They've been stained."
As the Hall of Fame writers pointed out, it did not exonerate them in the court of public opinion.
I would go so far as to wager, in fact, that the only people who don't view their titles as tainted are Patriots fans.
What I think about taping signals is irrelevant. The court of public opinion finds them guilty.
Each SB loss makes it worse, too.
The weak penalties levied on the Patriots by the NFL honestly compounds this, with Bountygate furthering the perception that Kraft is favored by the NFL above other owners.
“I totally believe that the Patriot and Saint coaches and players earned those championships. Bill and Sean [Payton, New Orleans coach] both know that. There has been some distortion about what I said.’’
The public perception is what it is because people are goddamn uninformed idiots.
But I'm not talking about public perception. I've repeatedly asked you point blank about how taping signals helps them win games. And you can't do it.
Here we go: I'm your tape guy. I've been taping signals for the first half (it shows the line of scrimmage, the opposing coaches on the other side of the field, and down and distance). Halftime's coming up. How do we use the tape to win? (All irrelevant, seeing as Matt Walsh testified that he always had the tapes until after the game). But, just for the sake of argument ...
You obviously feel strongly enough about Spygate to keep running off at the mouth. Now, for the love of God, man up and answer a question.
You conveniently forget the part where the only people who aren't "uninformed idiots" regarding Spygate are also Patriots fans.The public perception is what it is because people are goddamn uninformed idiots.
I have no authority to make such a call. I am not a NFL coach. I am just another "uninformed idiot." As such, I have no idea why my opinion matters as to how the material that was found to be illegal by the NFL would be utilized to cheat.But I'm not talking about public perception. I've repeatedly asked you point blank about how taping signals helps them win games. And you can't do it.
If you are asking me to hypothesize how this would work to be an advantage, it's not really that complicated. You have an intern or some low pay employee with some knowledge of defensive schemes effectively watch the DC's hand signals prior to the play then watch the reactions of each position during a play. As such incredibly detailed and in-depth scientific study dictates that you will know what a defense will do as hand signals come out from the other side.Here we go: I'm your tape guy. I've been taping signals for the first half (it shows the line of scrimmage, the opposing coaches on the other side of the field, and down and distance). Halftime's coming up. How do we use the tape to win? (All irrelevant, seeing as Matt Walsh testified that he always had the tapes until after the game). But, just for the sake of argument ...
The only thing I feel 100% certain about is that the Patriots have not won a Super Bowl since Spygate. That is honestly the only fact that matters.You obviously feel strongly enough about Spygate to keep running off at the mouth. Now, for the love of God, man up and answer a question.
It is either an odd coincidence or some deductive reasoning can sort out that the taping of defensive hand signals did in fact have an impact on the success of your football team.
I also find it fascinating that a Patriots fan has such massive compulsion to defend his team on a NY Jets fan site. The Jets are of no consequence to you. They have the worst roster in the league, one of the worst owner in the league, and will not be threat to your Patriots until your QB retires if by then even.
Why not go on the Dolphins or Bills boards? Both have more to be afraid of. Why troll Jets boards?
If you want, I'll let you admit to me that Mo Lewis did have a large impact on your team's fortunes. And I'll thank you for our Hall of Famer, Curtis Martin.
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