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Thread: Cimini, Myers rips the John Idzik hire....did you expect anything else?

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    The most important thing we need is good leadership. If Bradway has been correct in his assessments as reported, we need somebody to listen to him and somebody with common sense not to draft project players, and somebody who won't trade away all of our draft picks. It's all about leadership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kentucky Jet View Post
    Tampa for 11 years. but why pan the guy without even giving him time to say hello? Very typical SOJ response. Our MAIN problem is the cap hell we are in. Re personnel Sundquist is not better then Bradway. Idzik has experience in personnel evaluations as well. 11 years worth in tampa and Seattle had him current out scouting talent. Ya think he might know something that would benefit the Jets?
    I said I was okay with the move. Why the attack? He was my No.2 guy. Not an excellent choice, no, that's not a SOJ response, that's a logical response - I'm not here to give internet sex to every hire. It was an okay hire. Nothing to get CoCo for CoCo Puffs about, but nothing to ***** about like Cimini either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite View Post
    Dude is born and bred for this game... Not sure what else you can ask for...

    He's a 'five tool FO guy'... Couldn't be happier with the move.

    Know you're reading this, Rich... Fvck you
    I agree. His dad was a football lifer. He has played, coached, scouted, and been in charge of negotiations/cap. He is a Math major with a degree from Dartmouth. So we know he's smart too. I say it's a home run as far as finding a guy who can check all the boxes as far as relevant experience.

    Tanny was a numbers guy who wanted to get a sports job. He first worked for the Pittsfield Mets before getting his first NFL intern job in Cleveland. He has zero football experience. Did not come from a football family. He never played. He never coached. To compare Idzik to Tanny is asinine.

    Before Tanny, we had Bradway. A scout trying to be a GM. Fail.

    Idzik is the best of both worlds.

    One other thing, I read that Cimini contacted guys who were interviewed but did not get the job. These guys, understandably, were critical of the interview process. Their criticism -- no football guys at the interview so there was no discussion of X's and O's. WTF! What GM game plans?! Cimini is a tool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite View Post
    Dude is born and bred for this game... Not sure what else you can ask for...

    He's a 'five tool FO guy'... Couldn't be happier with the move.

    Know you're reading this, Rich... Fvck you
    Mods, please sticky this post.


    Peter North, please "sticky" the face of one DIck She Meany.

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    The New York market needs writers who do their homework and pay attention to the facts. The New York market needs writers who didn't learn their football from a lap top. The New York market needs writers who don't play connect the dots journalism and negative nonsensical spin doctoring.

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    Guy grew up around football, what is Cimini's background?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WestCoastOffensive View Post
    Mods, please sticky this post.


    Peter North, please "sticky" the face of one DIck She Meany.
    North really is a legend.

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    I have found over the years that I disagree with 99% of what old Dick Seamen-i writes which is why I don't read his garbage bubblegum blogs/articles anymore......

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    I don't get why people still react to what he writes. He's the definition of a troll. Is there any other reporter who so obviously hates his assigned team? I don't get how, out of all the people, we got stuck with him covering us nationally (especially with all the homers that populate ESPN).

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetBidi View Post
    The bile spewed out by the NY media is UNBELIEVABLE !! The guy was just hired and hasn't even done anything yet, but already he's been pre-judged and slated for failure and firing. RIDICULOUS !!

    Beat writers wonder why ppl don't want to come to the Jets... it's not the Jets and the circus... it's you @ss clowns and the circus you create.
    +1

    These NYJ beat-niks...are nothing but a bunch of rag whining clowns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike D View Post
    Guy grew up around football, what is Cimini's background?
    Last kid picked for dodgeball, every game for his scholastic career. Guy's a sports legend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike D View Post
    Guy grew up around football, what is Cimini's background?
    Long line of conflicted jock-sniffers.


    Poor Cimini; his editor gives him bonuses and vacations just so he'll keep writing this drivel. We kill him, and ESPN gets off scot free.
    Last edited by WestCoastOffensive; 01-19-2013 at 02:24 AM.

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    I really Don't care lets see what the guy does.

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    Yesterday it was Cimini,,,Today it's Myers ripping the Idzik hire.

    Why does this team give these guys any access, it is beyond me

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...icle-1.1242850

    NY Jets owner Woody Johnson sticks to same flawed formula by hiring John Idzik to handle Gang Green's mess
    The Jets have major personnel issues and they hired a capologist to fix it. That should have Jets fans running to scoop up the remaining PSLs.
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    NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
    Friday, January 18, 2013, 6:19 PM

    New York Jets head coach Rex Ryan and Owner Woody Johnson speak to the media for an end of season press conference at the Jets training facility.
    Ron Antonelli/New York Daily News

    In Rex We Trust! Woody Johnson's pick to be the new GM is a boost for Rex Ryan's influence.

    Rex Ryan's power base with the Jets, which these days falls a bit short of being Woody Johnson's co-owner, just got a little stronger with the hiring Friday of John Idzik as general manager.

    Idzik, a really smart guy who played at Dartmouth and later was a graduate assistant coach while he was getting his master's degree at Duke, can handle a dreadful salary cap, even the Jets mess of about $20 million-$25 million over the limit, in his sleep.

    But in 20 years in the front offices of the Bucs, Cardinals and the last six years with the Seahawks, he had not made one draft pick or been responsible for deciding who to sign as a free agent.

    The Jets have major personnel issues and they hired a capologist to fix it. That should have Jets fans running to scoop up the remaining PSLs.

    Even though Idzik, 52, once coached receivers at SUNY Buffalo – hey, Chip Kelly made a name for himself at New Hampshire – and then later was the running backs coach for the Aberdeen Oilers, who are in Scotland and play in the British American Football League, he developed his reputation in the NFL and a strong relationship with the league office because of his work on the business side, not the football side.

    By not hiring a true football guy, Johnson keeps Ryan in the personnel loop more than he deserves. Ryan is still coaching for his job in 2013 and ultimately Idzik could force him out, but it only makes sense Ryan's influence in the draft room would have immediately diminished if Johnson hired a general manager who has either run a draft or at least been a personnel director.

    Unless Idzik shakes up the Jets personnel department, the same people who were advising Mike Tannenbaum will be advising Idzik, and isn't how the Jets got in trouble in the first place? Johnson didn't do more than move around the furniture when he really needed a whole new dining room set.

    Johnson decided to keep the same organizational model he had with Tannenbaum, which makes little sense. "Business as usual isn't good enough," an NFL source said.

    The Jets needed someone to pick the players, not negotiate their contracts. Seattle made the best pick in the 2012 draft by grabbing Russell Wilson in the third round. What a steal. It would be nice if Johnson could stand at the podium when Idzik is formally announced next Thursday and say his new GM was responsible for selecting Wilson for the Seahawks.

    By all indications, the closest he came to any involvement with Wilson was negotiating his contract.

    The Giants have Jerry Reese making football decisions. He worked his way up in their personnel department and then as GM helped build two Super Bowl winners. Bill Belichick handles the Patriots personnel. The Jets compete with the Giants for local attention and with the Patriots in the AFC East. And they will continue to do this with a general manager whose background and strength is salary cap management – just like Tannenbaum – although Idzik's first job in the NFL in 1993 was as a pro personnel assistant in Tampa

    "I like John. He's a good guy. Honest. He will work his butt off," said one NFL source. "He's a little stiff, tight and inflexible. He has an answer for everything. And he's never had to handle the media."

    Sources say they believe Idzik went to GM John Schneider and coach Pete Carroll and asked to be sent on scouting trips the last couple of years so he could enhance his resume and become more experienced in personnel.

    That's a good thing.

    Did he have anything to do with drafting Wilson?

    "Surely not," the source said.

    That's a bad thing.

    According to another source, Idzik "was over the top ambitious" early in his NFL management career. "He was always driven," the source said. "He wanted to be a general manager, he wanted to be a personnel guy, he wanted to be a cap guy. He wanted to do everybody's job."

    The test will be whether Idzik the can fix the Jets personnel problems. That's how he will be judged. "The Jets job is difficult," the source said. "You can have as many as 12 new starters to deal with. This is a challenge."

    Why hire a cap guy when the other six GM openings were all filled by personnel guys? Johnson initially tried. His first choice was Atlanta's David Caldwell, but he lost him to Jacksonville. It was thought early in the process that San Francisco's Tom Gamble was close to getting the job, but that fizzled out.

    The Jets then changed the plan and concentrated on capologists and former Bears GM Jerry Angelo, who all along was the most qualified candidate to bring in the players to get the Jets headed back to the playoffs.

    "Woody wants to know that the guy running his team knows his money," a source said. "You can't sit here and say to Jets fans that this is about winning. Even if Idzik turns out to be great, nobody perceives it that way initially."

    One source said this job "is No. 32 out of 32."

    The Jets are going to be bad next season. They would be bad no matter who Johnson hired. But now the perception will be it's Idzik's fault because he's not a football guy.

    "Everything is going against him," a source said. "Lame duck coach, you have to overhaul the roster, the quarterback has failed miserably. Where is the positive? Restaurants? Shows?"

    But, if as one insider said, "John is so damn smart," then he will figure out how to transform the Jets from a circus into a show worthy of Broadway. But he better be really smart.
    Last edited by JonEJet; 01-19-2013 at 11:40 AM.

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    This is what the Daily News brings to the table. The Daily News is a rag. A bloody rag. But it makes a great liner for the bottom of a bird cage.

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    I don't think these newspaper articles are really worth discussing. The only thing that matters will be the upcoming results of next season. People can talk all they want. Chances are our defense alone will keep us in games like this year. If our offense can contribute at all then we may see something pretty damn good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonEJet View Post
    Rapid Reaction: Is Idzik a good hire?
    January, 18, 2013
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    By Rich Cimini | ESPNNewYork.com


    Quick takeaways on the news that the Jets have decided to hire former Seahawks VP of football administration John Idzik as their new general manager:

    1. What they did: The Jets veered off course. They set out trying to find a GM with deep roots in scouting and personnel, but they chose a longtime executive who made his bones on the business side, dealing mostly with salary-cap management and contract negotiations. The Jets will present Idzik as a hybrid -- he attended personnel meetings in Seattle -- but that's not his area of expertise. Like former GM Mike Tannenbaum, he's a capologist making the crossover. They needed a leader who sees the world from a scout's perspective, not an executive who learned his football in a room.

    2. Narrow view: This was a short-sighted decision. Owner Woody Johnson wanted someone to clean up the messy cap situation ($19.4 million over) and the number of bloated contracts. The real problem is a thin roster. One of the candidates told me the Jets need to replace 12 starters, conservatively. Yes, the Jets have contract issues, but they're in this cap predicament is because of poor talent evaluations, over-valuing players such as Mark Sanchez, Santonio Holmes and David Harris. They're paying Holmes like a top-10 receiver; any personnel man worth his stopwatch will tell you he's not even in the top 20.

    3. Outside the box: This move smacks of the 1980s Jets, when they always left the league scratching its head because of against-the-grain decisions. Seven teams were in the GM market. The first six opted for executives with personnel backgrounds; the Jets went the other way. Are they smarter than everyone else? As one longtime GM told me, "This isn't the time to put a cap guy in charge."

    4. The Rex factor: The big question is, what does this mean for Rex Ryan? In the short term, it could be mean more influence in personnel matters. Like Tannenbaum, Idzik probably will lean heavily on Ryan for input. Ryan can pick defensive linemen (Muhammad Wilkerson), but that's about it. We all know he has a blind spot when it comes to offense. He pushed to draft Sanchez in 2009 when the scouts wanted Josh Freeman. This sets up a potentially dangerous situation: The coach should coach, the GM should be pick the players -- except, in this case, the GM never has picked players. How do they fill the void? Maybe assistant GM Scott Cohen sticks around in a personnel role.

    5. Chucky: Idzik is stuck with Ryan for at least a year, but he controls his fate in 2014. Cue the Jon Gruden rumors. Idzik spent 11 seasons in the Bucs' front office, overlapping for three years with Gruden -- and one of those years produced a Lombardi Trophy. If Idzik decides to replace Ryan and wants to stay in his most recent past, the obvious choice is Seahawks offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell -- if another team doesn't scoop him up.

    6. Smart and savvy: I've heard a lot of positives about Idzik. Smart guy, I'm told. Graduated with honors from Dartmouth, where he also played football. Earned a master's degree from Duke. It takes more than brains to succeed. The Jets, with the circus atmosphere, need a grown up in the room, someone who can change the culture. Idzik grew up in football; his father, John, was a longtime NFL assistant, including three seasons with the Jets in the late 1970s. Ryan's father, too, is a former Jets assistant, and you just know they will try to sell that at the news conference, as if that obscure connection will somehow bond them.

    7. Branching out: Idzik has made an effort to learn the football side. In recent years, he got involved in personnel, trying to absorb the Xs and Os. He was a wide receiver at Dartmouth and had a cup of coffee as a low-level college assistant, so we're not talking about a board-room bean counter. But he's never been in charge of a pro or college scouting department. Said one league source: "Football is more about instinct than IQ. This isn't IBM, it's football."

    8. In like Flynn: The Jets need a quarterback and Idzik's former team, the Seahawks, might be looking to trade one -- Matt Flynn. He signed a free-agent contract last year for three years, $19.5 million, but he never saw the field because of Russell Wilson's emergence. Seattle officials say they're willing to listen to offers; Flynn's contract is tradeable.

    9. Organizational philosophy: Expect the Jets to remain active in the trade market. In recent years, the Seahawks have been one of the most aggressive trading teams, acquiring the likes of Marshawn Lynch and Leon Washington. The Seahawks are an organization on the rise, and Idzik played a role in that. But they've had their share of hiccups, too -- bad contracts (Sidney Rice, $41 million) and bad draft picks (LB Aaron Curry). Until Russell Wilson, there was quarterback instability.
    At least he didn't call him "Pond Scum" which Kevin Mannix of the Boston Herald called Bill Belichick when Kraft hired him.

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    WHY do people even bring up Cimini? NOTHING the man says has ANY bearing on what the Jets do....why give this idiot constant publicity????? LOL

    If the man had a say in what the Jets actually do then I would give a damn!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dcat View Post
    This is what the Daily News brings to the table. The Daily News is a rag. A bloody rag. But it makes a great liner for the bottom of a bird cage.
    agree. back in the day it was a good paper that supported the home town teams now its borderline national enquirer.

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    What does every daily news reporter have in common? Unnamed sources. People should realize that an unnamed NFL source could be the guy who operates the illegal cameras during a Patriots games.

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