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    these columnists are so narrow-minded. ok, Idzik is good with numbers and hasn't been on the personnel side so much. Apparently that means he has no clue what a good football player is. hey meyers, maybe meet the guy first before you write an article about him not being the right choice.

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    I have not read these papers in YEARS...I get my info from the Jets website....why read this idiocy and get riled up? its truly a waste of time....these bozos say the same thing all the time....what they write has NO bearing on what the Jets do....thats ALL that counts.

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    This is why newspapers are failing. They give you bad writing and nonsense.

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    Flip side.... WOODY has worn out any benefit of the doubt.

    He is running the JETS poorly. There's a reason the Ravens didnt want REX and J and J didnt want Woody.

    So the good news...we get both the rejects.

    Perhaps it will work out. Idzik seems fine but its always a crap shoot.


    Well 43 years isn't so long, we can wait another 43.

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    I never understood why folks get so riled up about a writer's opinion. He also wrote a favorable piece about the Mornhinweg hire:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jet...medium=twitter


    Analysis: Jets sign up for Marty Ball
    January, 19, 2013
    JAN 19
    11:08
    AM ET
    By Rich Cimini | ESPNNewYork.com

    Quick thoughts on the Jets' decision to hire Marty Mornhinweg as their new offensive coordinator:

    1. Thumb's up: I like this move. Mornhinweg is an upgrade over Tony Sparano and he was the best option out of the five candidates interviewed by Rex Ryan. Unlike Sparano, he has considerable experience as a play-caller and he sees the offense through the eyes of the quarterback. In Sparano's scheme, the quarterback was just one of the 11.

    2. West meets East: Ground & Pound is dead. Ryan talked about it at the end of the season, shifting the approach on offense, and he followed through. Mornhinweg will run a West Coast offense, a la the Eagles. He will use the pass to set up the run, a dramatic departure in these parts. He's not afraid to fill the air with footballs. Nick Foles, a rookie, averaged 39 pass attempts over the Eagles' final six games.

    3. The Sanchez Factor: Can Mornhinweg fix Mark Sanchez? He has worked with a number of top quarterbacks -- Michael Vick, Donovan McNabb, Brett Favre and Steve Young. This doesn't mean he can turn Sanchez into an elite passer. He's not an ideal fit in a West Coast system, a rhythm-and-timing passing scheme that requires accuracy. Many coaches demand a 65 percent completion rate in the West Coast system; Sanchez is a 55 percent career passer.

    4. Just say no: Unless new GM John Idzik slams the door shut on Vick, as Jaguars GM Dave Caldwell did last week with Tim Tebow, the speculation will run rampant. Mornhinweg helped re-start Vick's career in Philadelphia, but this is one reunion that shouldn't happen. Vick, 32, is an aging turnover machine with durability issues; his best football is behind him. He'd attract a Tebow-like circus, and that's something the Jets don't need.

    5. Another QB option: A better option than Vick would be Seahawks backup Matt Flynn. Obviously, Idzik is familiar with Flynn; he negotiated the free-agent contract for Seattle. Flynn also is comfortable in the West Coast offense; it's the only NFL system he's known. The Seahawks are open to trading Flynn; the Jets would be a logical landing spot.

    6. Receivers needed: The West Coast offense is better with big wide receivers because it's predicated on crossing routes. The receivers have to break tackles and make yards after the catch. The Jets have only one big receiver under contract -- Stephen Hill, who has to refine his route running to succeed in Mornhinweg's system. The scheme also requires a pass-catching tight end. This increases Dustin Keller's value to the team; he's a free agent. The Jets also need running backs that can catch, another important element in the West Coast offense.

    7. Not for Tim: Not that we needed to mention this, but ... Tebow is the last quarterback you'd want in a West Coast offense. Like we said, it's based on accuracy and timing, along with precise footwork. Adios, Tim.

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    Rejects? two afc title game berths....ONE losing season in the last 4 years.....rejects? LOL Jets last 4 seasons inclusing playoffs.

    2009: 11 wins
    2010:13 wins

    the two BAD years

    2011: 8 wins
    2012: 6 wins on a injury riddled team with little talent.

    Where are the rejects?



    Quote Originally Posted by southparkcpa View Post
    Flip side.... WOODY has worn out any benefit of the doubt.

    He is running the JETS poorly. There's a reason the Ravens didnt want REX and J and J didnt want Woody.

    So the good news...we get both the rejects.

    Perhaps it will work out. Idzik seems fine but its always a crap shoot.


    Well 43 years isn't so long, we can wait another 43.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonEJet View Post
    Why does this team give these guys any access, it is beyond me

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...icle-1.1242850

    NY Jets owner Woody Johnson sticks to same flawed formula by hiring John Idzik to handle Gang Green's mess
    The Jets have major personnel issues and they hired a capologist to fix it. That should have Jets fans running to scoop up the remaining PSLs.
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    NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
    Friday, January 18, 2013, 6:19 PM

    New York Jets head coach Rex Ryan and Owner Woody Johnson speak to the media for an end of season press conference at the Jets training facility.
    Ron Antonelli/New York Daily News

    In Rex We Trust! Woody Johnson's pick to be the new GM is a boost for Rex Ryan's influence.

    Rex Ryan's power base with the Jets, which these days falls a bit short of being Woody Johnson's co-owner, just got a little stronger with the hiring Friday of John Idzik as general manager.

    Idzik, a really smart guy who played at Dartmouth and later was a graduate assistant coach while he was getting his master's degree at Duke, can handle a dreadful salary cap, even the Jets mess of about $20 million-$25 million over the limit, in his sleep.

    But in 20 years in the front offices of the Bucs, Cardinals and the last six years with the Seahawks, he had not made one draft pick or been responsible for deciding who to sign as a free agent.

    The Jets have major personnel issues and they hired a capologist to fix it. That should have Jets fans running to scoop up the remaining PSLs.

    Even though Idzik, 52, once coached receivers at SUNY Buffalo hey, Chip Kelly made a name for himself at New Hampshire and then later was the running backs coach for the Aberdeen Oilers, who are in Scotland and play in the British American Football League, he developed his reputation in the NFL and a strong relationship with the league office because of his work on the business side, not the football side.

    By not hiring a true football guy, Johnson keeps Ryan in the personnel loop more than he deserves. Ryan is still coaching for his job in 2013 and ultimately Idzik could force him out, but it only makes sense Ryan's influence in the draft room would have immediately diminished if Johnson hired a general manager who has either run a draft or at least been a personnel director.

    Unless Idzik shakes up the Jets personnel department, the same people who were advising Mike Tannenbaum will be advising Idzik, and isn't how the Jets got in trouble in the first place? Johnson didn't do more than move around the furniture when he really needed a whole new dining room set.

    Johnson decided to keep the same organizational model he had with Tannenbaum, which makes little sense. "Business as usual isn't good enough," an NFL source said.

    The Jets needed someone to pick the players, not negotiate their contracts. Seattle made the best pick in the 2012 draft by grabbing Russell Wilson in the third round. What a steal. It would be nice if Johnson could stand at the podium when Idzik is formally announced next Thursday and say his new GM was responsible for selecting Wilson for the Seahawks.

    By all indications, the closest he came to any involvement with Wilson was negotiating his contract.

    The Giants have Jerry Reese making football decisions. He worked his way up in their personnel department and then as GM helped build two Super Bowl winners. Bill Belichick handles the Patriots personnel. The Jets compete with the Giants for local attention and with the Patriots in the AFC East. And they will continue to do this with a general manager whose background and strength is salary cap management just like Tannenbaum although Idzik's first job in the NFL in 1993 was as a pro personnel assistant in Tampa

    "I like John. He's a good guy. Honest. He will work his butt off," said one NFL source. "He's a little stiff, tight and inflexible. He has an answer for everything. And he's never had to handle the media."

    Sources say they believe Idzik went to GM John Schneider and coach Pete Carroll and asked to be sent on scouting trips the last couple of years so he could enhance his resume and become more experienced in personnel.

    That's a good thing.

    Did he have anything to do with drafting Wilson?

    "Surely not," the source said.

    That's a bad thing.

    According to another source, Idzik "was over the top ambitious" early in his NFL management career. "He was always driven," the source said. "He wanted to be a general manager, he wanted to be a personnel guy, he wanted to be a cap guy. He wanted to do everybody's job."

    The test will be whether Idzik the can fix the Jets personnel problems. That's how he will be judged. "The Jets job is difficult," the source said. "You can have as many as 12 new starters to deal with. This is a challenge."

    Why hire a cap guy when the other six GM openings were all filled by personnel guys? Johnson initially tried. His first choice was Atlanta's David Caldwell, but he lost him to Jacksonville. It was thought early in the process that San Francisco's Tom Gamble was close to getting the job, but that fizzled out.

    The Jets then changed the plan and concentrated on capologists and former Bears GM Jerry Angelo, who all along was the most qualified candidate to bring in the players to get the Jets headed back to the playoffs.

    "Woody wants to know that the guy running his team knows his money," a source said. "You can't sit here and say to Jets fans that this is about winning. Even if Idzik turns out to be great, nobody perceives it that way initially."

    One source said this job "is No. 32 out of 32."

    The Jets are going to be bad next season. They would be bad no matter who Johnson hired. But now the perception will be it's Idzik's fault because he's not a football guy.

    "Everything is going against him," a source said. "Lame duck coach, you have to overhaul the roster, the quarterback has failed miserably. Where is the positive? Restaurants? Shows?"

    But, if as one insider said, "John is so damn smart," then he will figure out how to transform the Jets from a circus into a show worthy of Broadway. But he better be really smart.
    By winning consistently we will shut these Dixie cups up. I will give IDZIK and Marty time to do their thing.

    The DOOM and GLOOM BRIGADE can pi$$ and moan all they want. Winning is the cure-all.


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    The more you hear and read from these guys with room temperature IQ's( Cimini, Meyers, Schein and Francesa), don't you feel better about the hiring?

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    amen!



    Quote Originally Posted by Kentucky Jet View Post
    By winning consistently we will shut these Dixie cups up. I will give IDZIK and Marty time to do their thing.

    The DOOM and GLOOM BRIGADE can pi$$ and moan all they want. Winning is the cure-all.


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    Let us give the new GM a chance first

    Myers and Cimini want a sure thing in hiring a GM. In hiring someone there is no such thing. Look at Parcells. He was 34-32 in coaching the Cowboys. He did not get them to a SB.
    Last edited by Stillafan; 01-19-2013 at 12:24 PM.

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    Idzik's dad was Jets OC from 1976-1979 and resigned because he didn't get along with Walt Michaels. Their biggest disagreement was the Richard Todd/Matt Robinson QB debate. Idzik was in the Todd camp.

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    All these two do is cite "a source", or "an insider". I'm pretty sure they say to their cat "bark if you don't think the Jets made a bad decision" and then cite them as their "source".

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    Quote Originally Posted by section314 View Post
    The more you hear and read from these guys with room temperature IQ's( Cimini, Meyers, Schein and Francesa), don't you feel better about the hiring?
    It is becoming more and more evident that these writers really dont make an attempt to educate themselves about the topics or people they write about. They have a story already in mind regardless of the person or situation. We all knew what the narrative was going to be regardless of the hire. The day of a writer doing research and putting thought into a story is over. You would think that given how long the process was for the Jets to hire a GM, that these writers would have at least done some basic research into these candidates.

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    Columnists write opinions, they really don't need facts to justify them...they create the narrative. Beat writers in the offseason become columnists, with little hard news to report on.

    The NY Daily News DESTROYED the Yankees when they hired Torre..."Clueless Joe" was the headline. Were they remotely right???

    They all hedge their bets...unnamed sources, "could be a bad hire", they all provide face saving outs if they are successful. The fact is a broken clock is right twice a day, these guys in giving a thumbs up or thumbs down have a 50/50 chance of being correct.

    Look at Myers...he wrote a column a few weeks ago that basically said the Jets should keep Rex and fire Tannenbaum. Has he consistently defended the position, or has be fluctuated as the wind blows?

    Let them prattle on...it's all good fun. The proof will be in the pudding, and it's always way more fun listening when they are eating some crow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsfanri View Post
    Columnists write opinions, they really don't need facts to justify them...they create the narrative. Beat writers in the offseason become columnists, with little hard news to report on.

    The NY Daily News DESTROYED the Yankees when they hired Torre..."Clueless Joe" was the headline. Were they remotely right???

    They all hedge their bets...unnamed sources, "could be a bad hire", they all provide face saving outs if they are successful. The fact is a broken clock is right twice a day, these guys in giving a thumbs up or thumbs down have a 50/50 chance of being correct.

    Look at Myers...he wrote a column a few weeks ago that basically said the Jets should keep Rex and fire Tannenbaum. Has he consistently defended the position, or has be fluctuated as the wind blows?

    Let them prattle on...it's all good fun. The proof will be in the pudding, and it's always way more fun listening when they are eating some crow.
    Like the fans that said it was a lock that the Jets would hire Cohen and Cam Cameron as OC??

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsfreak View Post
    Rejects? two afc title game berths....ONE losing season in the last 4 years.....rejects? LOL Jets last 4 seasons inclusing playoffs.

    2009: 9 wins regular season 11 wins
    2010: 11 wins regular season 13 wins

    the two BAD years

    2011: 8 wins
    2012: 6 wins on a injury riddled team with little talent.

    Where are the rejects?
    4 years.... average of less than 9 wins regular season. I can't seem to communicate with JETS fans that relish mediocrity because we went to to AFC Champ games. $hit...The PATS and Ravens are BOTH playing in their 2nd consecutive. NEITHER team is happy if they lose. Yet many JETS fans back it like we are the 49ers of past years.

    Ahh...you sir are the voice of mediocrity.

    Why didnt Baltimore promote REX to HC? They went to PHILLY and got PHILLY's defensive backs coach. THEY KNEW! Woody didn't.

    I actually like REX but he may be in over his head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE_SOOTHSAYER View Post
    Idzik's dad was Jets OC from 1976-1979 and resigned because he didn't get along with Walt Michaels. Their biggest disagreement was the Richard Todd/Matt Robinson QB debate. Idzik was in the Todd camp.
    I agree with him. Todd was a pick machine but I liked him back then.

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    I read Manish's story today and it had some interesting tidbits. I didn't find it slanted either..

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    I see Meyers had actually LOWERED his standards.

    Now it's no longer "an NFL source" that says X.

    It's "One source says"....

    So now it's anyone's guess what the "qualifications" of the source are.

    Bottom of the barrel, and so predictable.

    Don't buy the NYDN, and don't click NYDN links.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlairThomasFumble View Post
    I see Meyers had actually LOWERED his standards.

    Now it's no longer "an NFL source" that says X.

    It's "One source says"....

    So now it's anyone's guess what the "qualifications" of the source are.

    Bottom of the barrel, and so predictable.

    Don't buy the NYDN, and don't click NYDN links.
    Yes very transparent attack by Myers. I wanted to cut him some slack because he did a good job presenting Curtis Martin's case to HOF committee but this just isn't right. I guess some of these guys just can't help themselves.

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