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Thread: What adjustments did Ravens make in upper management to get over hump?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDNYjets View Post

    They invested in offense.
    +1

    To me this is the difference. Two quarterbacks, Flacco and Sanchez with big question marks. Jets erode all playmakers around Sanchez, while the Ravens add Boldin, Torrey Smith, Dickson and others, all the while pounding the rock behind Rice and now Pierce.

    Not to say Sanchez would not have still flopped, but I wished they could have surrounded him with playmakers before concluding that he was done.


    +1 also to Harbaugh, was a great hire, makes us look all the more foolish for having Rex at the helm.

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    I think actually it's not adjustments but on the contrary willingness to stick with what their plan was and acknowledge that it is a long-term process to get where they want to go. There were a lot of questions about Flacco but they stuck with their plan - here he would have been crucified after not winning a Super Bowl in three years' time. And instead of following some arbitrary plan that a QB 'should' be able to carry a team by Year 3, and take away offensive playmakers and solid Oline players, they built those up. Duh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYDreamer View Post
    Notice two things that the 49er's and the Ravens did this season. They made changes in the middle of the season when they saw something was not working.
    Kapernick was put in for Alex Smith for the 49er's
    Cam Cameron was fired and Caldwell took over of the offense for the Ravens.

    Key point is that they evaluated the talent and made the necessary move. Yes it could have gone either way, but unless you take a chance and believe in your football people you settle for good instead of great.
    I can't speak about things not working with the Ravens, but Alex Smith was injured at the time and before that had 2 of the best games of his short career.

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    Smart, quality value draft picks.

    Bernard Pierce 3rd round
    Torrey Smith 2nd round
    Dennis Pitta 4th round
    Paul Kruger 2nd round

    For the Jets:

    2012 - no 4th or 5th rounder
    2011 - no 2nd rounder
    2010 - no 3rd rounder
    2009 - no 2nd or 4th rounder
    2008 - no 2nd or 3rd rounder.

    Now people will argue that we used those missing picks to trade up but when you do that you are often missing out on value players that can become good starters on your team. The strategy of wanting to get a dynamic player at the cost of two starters has killed the Jets.

    How did Balt get over the hump? By just having continuity and adding a few pieces each year while building depth.

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    Ozzie Newsome is maybe the best in the business and they haven't had a losing season or missed the playoffs in 5 years under Harbaugh. Easy to stay the course that way.

    Not ignoring the offense also helped quite a bit, 1st round pick in Flacco, 2nd rounder in Rice, 2nd rounder in Torrey Smith, trade for Boldin, ect on top of their typically strong defense. Also helps when their moves panned out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nike View Post
    the ravens roster is a really good one. very well balanced players who arent really superstars but know how to get the job done. they are also a well coached team.
    Their safety Bernard Pollard is a beast; he was personally responsible for injuring 1/2 of their core players on Offense over the last few years including Brady when he was out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ven0m View Post
    Ozzie Newsome is maybe the best in the business and they haven't had a losing season or missed the playoffs in 5 years under Harbaugh. Easy to stay the course that way.

    Not ignoring the offense also helped quite a bit, 1st round pick in Flacco, 2nd rounder in Rice, 2nd rounder in Torrey Smith, trade for Boldin, ect on top of their typically strong defense. Also helps when their moves panned out.
    perfect example of drafting BAP while building around a qb. never ignored any unit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerfish View Post
    Smart, quality value draft picks.

    Bernard Pierce 3rd round
    Torrey Smith 2nd round
    Dennis Pitta 4th round
    Paul Kruger 2nd round

    For the Jets:

    2012 - no 4th or 5th rounder
    2011 - no 2nd rounder
    2010 - no 3rd rounder
    2009 - no 2nd or 4th rounder
    2008 - no 2nd or 3rd rounder.

    Now people will argue that we used those missing picks to trade up but when you do that you are often missing out on value players that can become good starters on your team. The strategy of wanting to get a dynamic player at the cost of two starters has killed the Jets.

    How did Balt get over the hump? By just having continuity and adding a few pieces each year while building depth.
    GREAT ! Totally agree. YET others here will talk about our lack of development in the players we took. That is true..but the Ravens draft so superior to us.

    2010 was basically a BUST year for us...Wilson is OK and McKnight, a 4th rounder is coming around. But 2 OK players...

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillyjet View Post
    +1

    To me this is the difference. Two quarterbacks, Flacco and Sanchez with big question marks. Jets erode all playmakers around Sanchez, while the Ravens add Boldin, Torrey Smith, Dickson and others, all the while pounding the rock behind Rice and now Pierce.

    Not to say Sanchez would not have still flopped, but I wished they could have surrounded him with playmakers before concluding that he was done.


    +1 also to Harbaugh, was a great hire, makes us look all the more foolish for having Rex at the helm.
    The Jets did the exact same thing. Where do u think they got it from, LOL.

    The Ravens drafted Flacco.
    They traded for Anquan Bolden
    They drafted Torrey Smith a speed receiver with questionable hands & huge upside.
    They drafted Pitta at TE
    They Drafted Rice at RB

    The Jets drafted Sanchez
    They traded for Holmes and Edwards
    They drafted Stephen Hill a speed receiver with questionable hands and huge upside.
    They had dustin Keller on the roster
    They drafted Joe McKnight at RB


    The Ravens waited for Smith to develop through growing pains while the fans around the league complained about Bolden's ability to be a good teamate. You know, just like the fans complain abain about Braylon.


    The Ravens plan worked out in 5 yrs as Flacco is taking his team to the SB after missing out his other time in the AFC championship game. During those 4yrs, Flacco displayed the ability to lead his team even if inconsistently. He never got paid.

    The Jets have 1 more yr to go before they find out if they plan will work.Problem is, at no time during the 1st 4 yr did Mark Sanchez exhibit any ability to lead his team. He got Paid for nothing.

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    They sacked up and fired the sh!tty OC that has been holding their QB back for the last 5 years, replacing him with a competent OC that plays to the team's strengths. Keep in mind they did this in the midst of a playoff run when most killed the organization for doing so. Now Flacco appears to have hit his stride and they are playing in the Super Bowl. Take some notes, Rex, et al.

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    Baltimore average 352 yards of offense per game this year at 5.4 yards per play.

    The Jets averaged 299 yard of offense per game at 4.6 yards per play.

    Baltimore has an offense, the Jets do not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianaJet View Post
    Baltimore average 352 yards of offense per game this year at 5.4 yards per play.

    The Jets averaged 299 yard of offense per game at 4.6 yards per play.

    Baltimore has an offense, the Jets do not.
    Not to mention that Balt was +9 in the turnover ratio vs the Jets -14 our 37 giveaways was tied for worst in the league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadainianIMnotDONE View Post
    I mean they pretty much stuck with the same roster only adding RB's to keep Rice from emptying the tank so early, and what else? Beliving in Flacco? Letting Flacco have more freedom? I'm not 100% focused on their personnel moves does anybody know if they stacked their O Line or got younger at linebacker or something?

    I just want to know what they did as an organization to improve personnel to get over that hump. This team was knocking on the door the past 4 years and finally pushed thru. What was the key? I know Flacco's development had a huge deal to do with it and firing their terrible OC. Anything else?
    They drafted a QB

    Then, added a playmaker at running back. Then brought in Wide Receivers who can win a jump ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ven0m View Post
    Ozzie Newsome is maybe the best in the business and they haven't had a losing season or missed the playoffs in 5 years under Harbaugh. Easy to stay the course that way.

    Not ignoring the offense also helped quite a bit, 1st round pick in Flacco, 2nd rounder in Rice, 2nd rounder in Torrey Smith, trade for Boldin, ect on top of their typically strong defense. Also helps when their moves panned out.
    Was a great ESPN show on the 95 Browns (maybe NFL network). Showed how Belliched really did have that team turned around, and then got the rug pulled out by the team announcing mid season they were moving to Baltimore.

    Anyway, Ozzie was just starting out, learning how to be a GM, Bellichek was showing him how he (BB) did things. Always stick with your board. Ozzie's first draft, Jonathan Ogden is the BAP at #4. Art Modell wants a RB, Lawrence Phillips. But Ozzie says "Ogden is the best on our board", went against the owner, and drafted a future Hall of Fame Left Tackle, while Phillips is now in jail.

    Ozzie just lets the board fall to him. Suggs falls, Ozzie says thanks. Reed falls, Ozzie says thanks. Ngata, Ozzie says thanks. Never trades up for these guys, just plays the board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerfish View Post
    Not to mention that Balt was +9 in the turnover ratio vs the Jets -14 our 37 giveaways was tied for worst in the league.
    All you need to say is SANCHEZ and the turnover comment is VERY CLEAR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetworks View Post
    They sacked up and fired the sh!tty OC that has been holding their QB back for the last 5 years, replacing him with a competent OC that plays to the team's strengths. Keep in mind they did this in the midst of a playoff run when most killed the organization for doing so. Now Flacco appears to have hit his stride and they are playing in the Super Bowl. Take some notes, Rex, et al.
    The problem with your analysis is that the Sh!++y OC on the Jets is playing the part of the HC. Rex was the one that decided Sanchez wasn't progressing so we should use the cue cards. Rex is the 1 that decided Sanchez wasn't progressing and we should go to ground and pound. Rex is the one who decided that Sanchez wasn't progressing and we should return to the ground and pound.

    Rex is the one who has stunted Sanchez's growth. When u hire someone to do a Job, you let them do it. You don't tell them how to do it and then fire them when it doesn't work. For 3 Yrs, Brian Schottenheimer tried to put more on Mark Sanchez's plate. When u do that, the player is bound to make mistakes. That's how u learn. This kid was not allowed to fail, therefore he was not allowed to grow.

    I have come to realize something. If you want to develop a QB in pro football, the HC either has to be an OC or must have an OC who's allowed to execute his plan.

    I miss Herman Edwards.

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    I don't think they made any adjustments. In fact, quite the opposite. The Ravens team has great leaders. That is the difference between us and them. They stuck with their personnel plan -- building a team through the draft with an emphasis on leadership.

    I would like to see the Jets get back to great drafting with an emphasis on characters and leadership. We lost our way picking up talented players with questionable character -- high risk/reward guys like Holmes, Burress, and Cro. We lost great locker room guys like Jones, Richardson, Woody, Faneca, Cotch, and Vilma without replacing their leadership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinstar View Post
    I can't speak about things not working with the Ravens, but Alex Smith was injured at the time and before that had 2 of the best games of his short career.
    He had a 70.2 completion avg..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinstar View Post
    This is what the Jets did not do.
    If/when they get true leadership we'll see if they stay intact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greentide View Post
    If/when they get true leadership we'll see if they stay intact.
    Leadership has to start at the top, not from the bottom. Rex is not a leader, he's a fraud. He should have been fired after the Miami debacle 2 yrs ago. Sometimes the guy who acts and never says anything publicly is the better leader than the guys with the big mouth in public who never does a thing.

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