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    2. Rex's affection and faith in Mark. Rex may believe that Mark will thrive under the NEW system in ways he couldn't under Shotty/Sparano.

    If Rex comes up with this he should be immediately fired. He had shotty, every one blamed crap performance on him. Rex hand picked Sparano, the offense and QB play got worse. now he is going to conclude that one more oc will bring out the best in an inaccurate flawed, turnover machine?

    I hope to god that John Idzik has a strong enough personality to tell Rex to gtfo as far as the make up of the team goes. Coach who you are given because you have mostly proven you back the wrong people.

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    I'm placing bet on Matt Moore

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    I expect the same and would be pleasantly surprised (ecstatic?) if suckchez is not the starter opening day.

    I think he will be given yet another chance but will have a very short leash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barkus View Post
    I expect the same and would be pleasantly surprised (ecstatic?) if suckchez is not the starter opening day.

    I think he will be given yet another chance but will have a very short leash.
    More like a choker collar..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borgoguy View Post
    Warfish, why ruin everyone's day and disposition?
    +1000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    I just realized, today, that this is absolutely how this offseason is going to pan out.

    Cutting him is out, he's too expensive under any projected cap-hit-scenario-projection I've read.

    Trading him is out, for much the same reason (and because no one else wants to pay him).

    So that means we're keeping him.

    And if we're keeping him, he is not going to be the #2. He's just not.

    Mark Sanchez is going to get another full year to win or lose as a Jet, fan reaction be damned. In a new Morning-Whig System that depends heavily on a timely, accurate, quick-reading Quareterback.

    Dreams (of some) for Flynn, or Alex Smith, or Moore, or any of the various lolJag's in the "related to Morning-Whig or new QB Coach" thread are just that, dreams.

    At most, and journeyman will be brought in to replace Tebow (maybe) as the #2, and "challenge" Sanchez, i.e. not challenge him at all.

    And Mark will be our opening day Starter at QB.

    Worse, I think there is every possabillity we could open the 2013 season with BOTH Sanchez AND Tebow on the roster.
    Time will tell, but I have to believe the new GM will do anything within reason to improve the QB position. Sanchez may be here. Tebow may be here. But I seriously doubt both will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    It's a combination of factors:

    1. Sanchez's cost and low-market-value. It's all-but-insurmountable.

    NO, its just DEAD MONEY. Indy had the most dead money ever this year, and Seattle started a third round rookie essentially rendering FLynn's money as dead money. The tide is changing on sticking to a QB purely because of investment


    2. Rex's affection and faith in Mark. Rex may believe that Mark will thrive under the NEW system in ways he couldn't under Shotty/Sparano.

    I think this is a possibility with Rex especially and I even wrote a mock press conference where he announces it, but Mark almost got him fired. Who knows? He may have saved his job saying to Woody he would not start Mark again. Sanchez got NO vote of confidence from Rex and Woddy


    3. A lack of external options. Options that might be acceptable cost too much. Options that do not cost too much are generally unacceptable.

    You do not really know this. Some of the "weak QB class" may separate themselves in the Jets eyes and be drafted to start, even outside of the 1st round. Flynn is a definite possibility, he could be signed with almost no cap hit.

    4. Building the future, generally, doesn't involve bringing in veteran jag journeymen for one-year stints when you have an uncuttable, untradeable veteran jag already ont he roster at a massive cap figure.

    I agree, I see them starting Flynn (possibly Smith) or a drafted rookie. I do not see them going the veteran retread route


    5. We're all buy guaranteed to draft a QB, and probably not high either. A mid-rounder won't be given the #1 job, and probably won't beat out Sanchez in camp. Sanchez would have to fail, alot, to lose the job to a rookie.

    Again conjecture I do not agree with. Foles started this year as did Wilson. If they like a QB, even if they draft him in the 2nd or lower I think they will start him. I do not think Sanchez will be here to compete, and DO NOT think he would win a legitimate competition with anyone.

    6. A wily GM will see that a failed Rex/Sanchez 2013 offers him a perfect clean slate in 2014 and beyond, new Coach, new QB, both selected by HIM. His team, not Tanny/Rex's. He won't seek that out on purpose, but if he's as smart as he is reported, he'll use it to his advantage if it comes to pass.

    That same GM will realize he gets the same clean slate starting a rookie he drafts, maybe even a cleaner slate.

    It's a Perfect Storm. Mark Sanchez will be the #1 opening day. I disagree, I think he will be releases as a June 1 cut. I would be less surprised by Tebow starting to be honest, though I am pretty sure he is cut too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerfish View Post
    Tebow will be gone, McElroy will be retained, Jets will draft a QB, Sanchez will be retained. We may or may not sign a vet QB. If Sanchez goes into the year as the starter the team is doomed and the season is lost.
    The season is lost. You cannot expect anything else. We are in serious cap trouble and will most likely lose a number of starters/players to FA. I see a much younger and inexperienced team in 2013. This will be a 3-5 win team. To think otherwise is just kidding yourself. They need to purge the cap and position themselves for 2014 where they will have a high draft pick and sufficient cap room to be players in FA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    I just realized, today, that this is absolutely how this offseason is going to pan out.

    Cutting him is out, he's too expensive under any projected cap-hit-scenario-projection I've read.

    Trading him is out, for much the same reason (and because no one else wants to pay him).

    So that means we're keeping him.

    And if we're keeping him, he is not going to be the #2. He's just not.

    Mark Sanchez is going to get another full year to win or lose as a Jet, fan reaction be damned. In a new Morning-Whig System that depends heavily on a timely, accurate, quick-reading Quareterback.

    Dreams (of some) for Flynn, or Alex Smith, or Moore, or any of the various lolJag's in the "related to Morning-Whig or new QB Coach" thread are just that, dreams.

    At most, and journeyman will be brought in to replace Tebow (maybe) as the #2, and "challenge" Sanchez, i.e. not challenge him at all.

    And Mark will be our opening day Starter at QB.

    Worse, I think there is every possabillity we could open the 2013 season with BOTH Sanchez AND Tebow on the roster.
    The idea that Sanchez can't be cut is asinine. Cut him June 1st and he counts no more to the cap then he would if he was on the team. The decision the GM and Owner have to make is if it is worth paying him to be off the team or not. But there are no extra salary cap ramifications if you cut him after June 1st then there would be normally. So why can't you cut him then? Don't believe the media, they only tell you the worst case scenario.

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    Mark Sanchez will not be our #1 QB in 2013
    Fixed.

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    New GM has a year to play with. He is not going to make dumb decisions for the short. Mark will be here. Cutting him would be stupid. Tebow wants no part of this team ( thank God). We probably bring in Matt Moore. IF not, Mark will absolutely be the starter.

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    Please, no...
    Just no...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Choon328 View Post
    The idea that Sanchez can't be cut is asinine. Cut him June 1st and he counts no more to the cap then he would if he was on the team. The decision the GM and Owner have to make is if it is worth paying him to be off the team or not. But there are no extra salary cap ramifications if you cut him after June 1st then there would be normally. So why can't you cut him then? Don't believe the media, they only tell you the worst case scenario.
    There is absolutely nothing to gain by cutting Sanchez this year. At worst he will be an over paid, serviceable backup. Cutting him next year greatly reduces the cap hit/dead money. Same for Holmes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Choon328 View Post
    The idea that Sanchez can't be cut is asinine. Cut him June 1st and he counts no more to the cap then he would if he was on the team. The decision the GM and Owner have to make is if it is worth paying him to be off the team or not. But there are no extra salary cap ramifications if you cut him after June 1st then there would be normally. So why can't you cut him then? Don't believe the media, they only tell you the worst case scenario.
    The problem with this is that the remaining cap charge carries over to 2014. Why would the new GM want part of this mistake? on his record? not happening

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    I just realized, today, that this is absolutely how this offseason is going to pan out.

    Cutting him is out, he's too expensive under any projected cap-hit-scenario-projection I've read.

    Trading him is out, for much the same reason (and because no one else wants to pay him).

    So that means we're keeping him.

    And if we're keeping him, he is not going to be the #2. He's just not.

    Mark Sanchez is going to get another full year to win or lose as a Jet, fan reaction be damned. In a new Morning-Whig System that depends heavily on a timely, accurate, quick-reading Quareterback.

    Dreams (of some) for Flynn, or Alex Smith, or Moore, or any of the various lolJag's in the "related to Morning-Whig or new QB Coach" thread are just that, dreams.

    At most, and journeyman will be brought in to replace Tebow (maybe) as the #2, and "challenge" Sanchez, i.e. not challenge him at all.

    And Mark will be our opening day Starter at QB.

    Worse, I think there is every possabillity we could open the 2013 season with BOTH Sanchez AND Tebow on the roster.
    You just figured this out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sec.101row23 View Post
    Agree that Sanchez will be on the team next year and that most likely none of the Flynn, Smith or any vet QBs making decent money will be here. I do think the Jets will draft a kid this year. That being said, IF Sanchez does start the season, I do not think he is going to be given the whole season. If he plays like he did this past season, they will go to the rookie. They can not allow him play like that for the entire season, they just cant.
    I agree with this...

    And support or not Sanchez CAN NOT play like he did last year!!!!

    Period!!!!!!!!

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    I'm all for Sanchez being the starting QB next year. This will ensure a top 5 pick, the ouster of Wrecks and a real HC namely Jon Gruden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petejet View Post
    The season is lost. You cannot expect anything else. We are in serious cap trouble and will most likely lose a number of starters/players to FA. I see a much younger and inexperienced team in 2013. This will be a 3-5 win team. To think otherwise is just kidding yourself. They need to purge the cap and position themselves for 2014 where they will have a high draft pick and sufficient cap room to be players in FA.
    Yep. 2013 will be an organizational colonic IMO. Possibly one that yields a high draft pick to boot.

    We will start 2014 with a better cap balance sheet, a new HC and possibly new coordinators. We hopefully will have a roster at that time which has youth, speed and some promising 2013 experience tucked under their collective belts.

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    Good/Accurate writeup of Sanchez.

    http://www.ganggreennation.com/2013/...hez-stay-or-go


    I pretty much knew Mark Sanchez was not going to have a breakout year the first day of training camp. Driving home from work, I listened to an interview on ESPN Radio. Sanchez was asked what he focused on improving most during the offseason. Given the terrible way he ended 2011, the options seemed limitless. It could be film study. It could be mechanics. There were so many parts of his game broken that he needed work on. He replied that he bulked up over the offseason. The fact he felt the thing he needed to work most on had nothing to do with reading a defense or throwing an accurate ball showed he really did not understand what the problems were or how to fix them. .

    That proved to be the case in 2012. He started the season out with a monster game against the Bills. He was seldom competent after that game. Even the games where he played "well" against the Colts and Rams were pretty pedestrian performances.

    To succeed as an NFL quarterback, you need to be able to make all of the throws. You need to be big enough and strong enough. You cannot be a good quarterback without the physical tools. Having the physical tools does not make one a good quarterback any more than having a law degree makes one a good lawyer. You could turn into one, but there are no guarantees.

    In Sanchez's defense, the Jets created an environment where pretty much any young quarterback would fail. He was given terrible coaching, a revolving door receiving corps, and an offensive line that got worse at time went along. The problem is Sanchez showed plenty that suggests he would not have been very good even had he been groomed ideally.

    There were stretches early in his career where the play calling was good and he had the best offensive line in the league, the best run game in the league, the best defense in the league, and one of the deepest receiving corps in the league. He still was not that great. Even when he was "good" in 2010, his numbers really were bottom tier. What people tied themselves to were moments where he showed flashes of greatness. The hope was that he would be able to show them more consistently. In truth, with adequate quarterback play, the Jets are 12-4 in 2009 and 14-2 in 2010. I can name you three games in both seasons where Sanchez single-handedly lost the game. As the talent has depleted, he has been asked to do more and not been up to the task.

    As much as you can blame his circumstances, you can't blame the coaching or the supporting cast when four years into his career Sanchez looks baffled by basic coverages, cannot make adjustments at the line, struggles to hit two-thirds of his passes behind the line of scrimmage, leaves the ball exposed, stares down receivers, and runs into his right guard's rear end. The coaching might be the reason he was the worst quarterback in the league this year, but Sanchez himself is the reason he is not a franchise quarterback. When the Jets drafted Mark, he was a difficult guy to project. Even with good coaching, we have seen stuff that is difficult to work around. Sanchez is probably at his peak a functional quarterback who needs everything around him working at a top level to have success. That just is not good enough for what the Jets are paying him and for what the Jets can afford to surround him with.

    Even beyond the tangibles, he seems to be a guy who lacks intangibles. We have heard plenty about the leadership void in the locker room the past two years. To some degree, that is always an indictment of the quarterback. Sanchez just does not seem to inspire anybody on the field. It is no accident the most spirited football the Jets played in the second half of the season came in the game he got benched. Mark just cannot shake off a rough start. I have heard from people who know that he has a reputation around the league of being a guy who cannot handle adversity. Hit him early, and he loses all confidence. You cannot have this in a quarterback.

    Normally, it would be a simple decision. During his four years Sanchez has shown very little improvement statistically or on film. Unfortunately, Mike Tannenbaum gave Sanchez a crazy extension last year. Had no extension been given, Sanchez could have been a painless cut. Now Sanchez costs almost $13 million against the cap if he is on the team or over $17 million if he is cut. I guess whenever you can pay a guy trending down who has never been an elite quarterback like an elite quarterback, you have to do it. That move made no sense on any level, and now the Jets are paying for it. You may recall Florio fudged the numbers to make it sound like the extension was no big deal. You may also remember, I explained that Florio was fudging the numbers, and the extension was in fact a big deal. It was, and now it is a huge problem.

    The Jets clearly do not want Sanchez starting for them next year. That is why Rex Ryan and Woody Johnson would not commit to him in their postseason press conference as they have done in years past. That is why Ryan twice benched Sanchez despite having no viable option behind him. The new offense being installed by Marty Mornhinweg requires the quarterback to carry the load by making smart reads and precise passes, all of which are major Sanchez weaknesses.

    The problem is the $4 million cutting Sanchez costs. The Jets are tight enough against the cap as it is. Cutting Sanchez would be a nice sugar high for a second, but it would cost the Jets a chance to put a representative team on the field. Mark has zero trade value. What team would give up anything for a guy who has been a bottom level quarterback for four years and has a huge contract? Even if the Jets are going to take a hit and eat much of the deal, what happens to the $5 million cap hit in dead money next year? Are you really going to big spend time negotiating to get a terrible quarterback? Sanchez is the kind of guy you take a flier on if he is a free agent for the minimum. He is not a guy you seek out and give up anything for while conducting comprehensive negotiations on salary. Your time could be spent better elsewhere. I would be stunned if he was traded.

    And let's be honest. Sanchez isn't taking a paycut. You could threaten him that he will ride the bench if he doesn't, but his spot on the roster is guaranteed on this salary.

    I think Sanchez should stay around mainly because there is no difference whether the third quarterback inactive on game day is Sanchez or a minimum wage scrub. That really will not affect the team. The extra $4 million in cap space can make a difference. The Jets should bring in quarterbacks better than Sanchez. If they want to make Mark a part of an open competition, that is fine. Once he loses out, he will ride the pine.

    I think Sanchez has to stay, but he should not enter training camp as the starting quarterback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Choon328 View Post
    The idea that Sanchez can't be cut is asinine. Cut him June 1st and he counts no more to the cap then he would if he was on the team. The decision the GM and Owner have to make is if it is worth paying him to be off the team or not. But there are no extra salary cap ramifications if you cut him after June 1st then there would be normally. So why can't you cut him then? Don't believe the media, they only tell you the worst case scenario.
    I say cut him before June 1st. Take the big so he's not weighing against us in 2014/15. Get him entirely off the books this year.

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