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    Proposed Assault Weapon Ban

    Assault Weapons Ban of 2013
    Mass shootings in Newtown, Aurora, and Tucson have demonstrated all too clearly the need to
    regulate military-style assault weapons and high capacity ammunition magazines. These
    weapons allow a gunman to fire a large number of rounds quickly and without having to reload.
    The legislation bans the sale, transfer, manufacturing and importation of:
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    All semiautomatic rifles that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least one
    military feature: pistol grip; forward grip; folding, telescoping, or detachable stock;
    grenade launcher or rocket launcher; barrel shroud; or threaded barrel.

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    All semiautomatic pistols that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least
    one military feature: threaded barrel; second pistol grip; barrel shroud; capacity to
    accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip; or
    semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm.

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    All semiautomatic rifles and handguns that have a fixed magazine with the capacity
    to accept more than 10 rounds.

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    All semiautomatic shotguns that have a folding, telescoping, or detachable stock;
    pistol grip; fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 5 rounds; ability to
    accept a detachable magazine; forward grip; grenade launcher or rocket launcher;
    or shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

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    All ammunition feeding devices (magazines, strips, and drums) capable of accepting
    more than 10 rounds.

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    157 specifically-named firearms (listed at the end of this document).

    The legislation excludes the following weapons from the bill:
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    Any weapon that is lawfully possessed at the date of the bill's enactment;
    Any firearm manually operated by a bolt, pump, lever or slide action;
    Assault weapons used by military, law enforcement, and retired law enforcement; and
    Antique weapons.

    The legislation protects hunting and sporting firearms:
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    The bill excludes 2,258 legitimate hunting and sporting rifles and shotguns by specific make and model.


    The legislation strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and state bans by:
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    Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test.
    o The bill also makes the ban harder to evade by eliminating the easy-to-remove
    bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test.

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    Banning dangerous aftermarket modifications and workarounds.
    o Bump or slide fire stocks, which are modified stocks that enable semi-automatic
    weapons to fire at rates similar to fully automatic machine guns.
    o So-called "bullet buttons" that allow the rapid replacement of ammunition
    magazines, frequently used as a workaround to prohibitions on detachable
    magazines.
    o Thumbhole stocks, a type of stock that was created as a workaround to avoid
    prohibitions on pistol grips.

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    Adding a ban on the importation of assault weapons and large-capacity magazines.

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    Eliminating the 10-year sunset that allowed the original federal ban to expire.

    The legislation addresses the millions of assault weapons and large-capacity magazines
    currently in existence by:
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    Requiring a background check on all sales or transfers of a grandfathered assault
    weapon.
    o This background check can be run through the FBI or, if a state chooses, initiated
    with a state agency, as with the existing background check system.

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    Prohibiting the sale or transfer of large-capacity ammunition feeding devices lawfully
    possessed on the date of enactment of the bill.

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    Allowing states and localities to use federal Byrne JAG grant funds to conduct a
    voluntary buy-back program for grandfathered assault weapons and large-capacity
    ammunition feeding devices.

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    Imposing a safe storage requirement for grandfathered firearms, to keep them away from
    prohibited persons.

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    Requiring that assault weapons and large-capacity ammunition feeding devices
    manufactured after the date of the bill's enactment be engraved with the serial number
    and date of manufacture of the weapon
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    Assault Weapon Bans Have Been Proven to Be Effective
    The 1994 Assault Weapons Ban was effective at reducing crime and getting these military-style
    weapons off our streets. Since the ban expired, more than 350 people have been killed and more
    than 450 injured by these weapons.
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    A Justice Department study of the assault weapons ban found that it was responsible for a
    6.7% decrease in total gun murders, holding all other factors equal.
    Source: Jeffrey A. Roth & Christopher S. Koper, "Impact Evaluation of the Public
    Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act of 1994," (March 1997).

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    The same study also found that "Assault weapons are disproportionately involved in
    murders with multiple victims, multiple wounds per victim, and police officers as
    victims."

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    The use of assault weapons in crime declined by more than two-thirds by about nine
    years after 1994 Assault Weapons Ban took effect.
    o Source: Christopher S. Koper, "An Updated Assessment of the Federal Assault
    Weapons Ban: Impacts on Gun Markets and Gun Violence, 1994-2003" (June
    2004), University of Pennsylvania, Report to the National Institute of Justice, U.S.
    Department of Justice.

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    The percentage of firearms seized by police in Virginia that had high-capacity
    magazines dropped significantly during the ban. That figure has doubled since the
    ban expired.
    o Source: David S. Fallis and James V. Grimaldi, "In Virginia, high-yield clip
    seizures rise," Washington Post, at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wpdyn/...012204046.html

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    When Maryland imposed a more stringent ban on assault pistols and high-capacity
    magazines in 1994, it led to a 55% drop in assault pistols recovered by the Baltimore
    Police Department.
    o Source: Douglas S. Weil & Rebecca C. Knox, Letter to the Editor, The Maryland
    Ban on the Sale of Assault Pistols and High-Capacity Magazines: Estimating the
    Impact in Baltimore, 87 Am. J. of Public Health 2, Feb. 1997..

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    37% of police departments reported seeing a noticeable increase in criminals' use of
    assault weapons since the 1994 federal ban expired.
    o Source: Police Executive Research Forum, Guns and Crime: Breaking New
    Ground by Focusing on the Local Impact (May 2010).

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    List of Firearms Prohibited by Name
    Rifles: All AK types, including the following: AK, AK47, AK47S, AK-74, AKM, AKS, ARM,
    MAK90, MISR, NHM90, NHM91, Rock River Arms LAR-47, SA85, SA93, Vector Arms AK-
    47, VEPR, WASR-10, and WUM, IZHMASH Saiga AK, MAADI AK47 and ARM, Norinco
    56S, 56S2, 84S, and 86S, Poly Technologies AK47 and AKS; All AR types, including the
    following: AR-10, AR-15, Armalite M15 22LR Carbine, Armalite M15-T, Barrett REC7,
    Beretta AR-70, Bushmaster ACR, Bushmaster Carbon 15, Bushmaster MOE series, Bushmaster
    XM15, Colt Match Target Rifles, DoubleStar AR rifles, DPMS Tactical Rifles, Heckler & Koch
    MR556, Olympic Arms, Remington R-15 rifles, Rock River Arms LAR-15, Sig Sauer SIG516
    rifles, Smith & Wesson M&P15 Rifles, Stag Arms AR rifles, Sturm, Ruger & Co. SR556 rifles;
    Barrett M107A1; Barrett M82A1; Beretta CX4 Storm; Calico Liberty Series; CETME Sporter;
    Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max 1, Max 2, AR 100, and AR 110C; Fabrique Nationale/FN Herstal FAL,
    LAR, 22 FNC, 308 Match, L1A1 Sporter, PS90, SCAR, and FS2000; Feather Industries AT-9;
    Galil Model AR and Model ARM; Hi-Point Carbine; HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, HK-PSG-1 and
    HK USC; Kel-Tec Sub-2000, SU-16, and RFB; SIG AMT, SIG PE-57, Sig Sauer SG 550, and
    Sig Sauer SG 551; Springfield Armory SAR-48; Steyr AUG; Sturm, Ruger Mini-14 Tactical
    Rife M-14/20CF; All Thompson rifles, including the following: Thompson M1SB, Thompson
    T1100D, Thompson T150D, Thompson T1B, Thompson T1B100D, Thompson T1B50D,
    Thompson T1BSB, Thompson T1-C, Thompson T1D, Thompson T1SB, Thompson T5,
    Thompson T5100D, Thompson TM1, Thompson TM1C; UMAREX UZI Rifle; UZI Mini
    Carbine, UZI Model A Carbine, and UZI Model B Carbine; Valmet M62S, M71S, and M78;
    Vector Arms UZI Type; Weaver Arms Nighthawk; Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine.
    Pistols: All AK-47 types, including the following: Centurion 39 AK pistol, Draco AK-47 pistol,
    HCR AK-47 pistol, IO Inc. Hellpup AK-47 pistol, Krinkov pistol, Mini Draco AK-47 pistol,
    Yugo Krebs Krink pistol; All AR-15 types, including the following: American Spirit AR-15
    pistol, Bushmaster Carbon 15 pistol, DoubleStar Corporation AR pistol, DPMS AR-15 pistol,
    Olympic Arms AR-15 pistol, Rock River Arms LAR 15 pistol; Calico Liberty pistols; DSA
    SA58 PKP FAL pistol; Encom MP-9 and MP-45; Heckler & Koch model SP-89 pistol; Intratec
    AB-10, TEC-22 Scorpion, TEC-9, and TEC-DC9; Kel-Tec PLR 16 pistol; The following MAC
    types: MAC-10, MAC-11; Masterpiece Arms MPA A930 Mini Pistol, MPA460 Pistol, MPA
    Tactical Pistol, and MPA Mini Tactical Pistol; Military Armament Corp. Ingram M-11, Velocity
    Arms VMAC; Sig Sauer P556 pistol; Sites Spectre; All Thompson types, including the following:
    Thompson TA510D, Thompson TA5; All UZI types, including: Micro-UZI.
    Shotguns: Franchi LAW-12 and SPAS 12; All IZHMASH Saiga 12 types, including the
    following: IZHMASH Saiga 12, IZHMASH Saiga 12S, IZHMASH Saiga 12S EXP-01,
    IZHMASH Saiga 12K, IZHMASH Saiga 12K-030, IZHMASH Saiga 12K-040 Taktika;
    Streetsweeper; Striker 12.
    Belt-fed semiautomatic firearms: All belt-fed semiautomatic firearms including TNW M2HB.
    Apologies for **** formatting, but thats how it's provided.

    The part I find most interesting is the "two-factors" to "one-factor" judgemnt of a gun as an "Assault Rifle", and some of the things included on that list.

    A Thumbhole Stock makes a gun an "Assault Rifle"? All by itself?

    Be interesting to see if this has any chance of passing.
    Last edited by Warfish; 01-24-2013 at 04:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    Apologies for **** formatting, but thats how it's provided.

    The part I find most interesting is the "two-factors" to "one-factor" judgemnt of a gun as an "Assault Rifle", and some of the things included on that list.

    A Thumbhole Stock makes a gun an "Assault Rifle"? All by itself?

    Be interesting to see if this has any chance of passing.
    Well I feel a lot safer now!

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    Gun guys, I don't know much, but are we seeing handguns and shotguns here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetPotato View Post
    Gun guys, I don't know much, but are we seeing handguns and shotguns here?
    Yes. Potentially a large number of them, if they have any of the "single qualifier" traits.

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    The new NY law basically bans handguns bc of the 7 round limit. Very few guns have 7 round mags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetPotato View Post
    Gun guys, I don't know much, but are we seeing handguns and shotguns here?
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    Yes, I have a Smith & Wesson SW99 9mm semi auto (the gun James Bond now uses ) It comes standard with 15 round mags... 10 round mags are available and mine was produced in 2001 during the last assault weapons ban and as such came stock with 2, 10 round mags, I bought a couple of 15 round mags a few years back for it and I guess those would be grandfathered. So I am providing a lousy example.

    Threaded handgun barrels would now be illegal, which sucks cause I was thinking about getting one and a suppressor (commonly known as a silencer), which are legal with ATF approval and are also legal in Oregon, thought it would be easier on the ears, and kinda cool. They don't work like in the movies, gun fire is still loud but tolerable.

    No pistol grips on semi auto shot guns or extended tube magazines, or drum magazines, but my pistol grip pump shotgun is still legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDNYjets View Post
    The new NY law basically bans handguns bc of the 7 round limit. Very few guns have 7 round mags.
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    Seems there will be a new market for 7 round mags and I am sure someone will fill the need for them or come up with some sort of device to limit the existing ones to 7 kinda like the plugs they put in hunting shotguns to limit them to 2 in the magazine.

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    While I'm somewhat supportive of a real assault weapon ban, this may go too far into handgun territory.

    Maybe someone should just invent stun-only phasers for home protection and make all of this moot.

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    Interesting is that the proposal, if taken as is, would make a large number of Black Powder rifiles illegal as "Assault Weapons" since many of them nowadays have the "Thumbhole Stock" style of grip, and the "one factor" rules would make even a single trait enough to classify a weapon as an Assault Weapon..

    A Black Power, manually loaded, single shot rifle.....is an Assault Weapon.

    This is why I'm against how Gun Control is done in Government. Because it's arbitrary, based on perception and fear, not facts and figures, and is (when looked at in detail) patently rediculous in many ways.

    There is a wide variety of ways Gun Control could have been handled. This is the most ham fisted and illogical way possible, and reeks of both ignorance, and hatred, of all guns, not a reasonable effort to control illegal guns in illegal hands doing illegal things.
    Last edited by Warfish; 01-25-2013 at 09:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    Apologies for **** formatting, but thats how it's provided.

    The part I find most interesting is the "two-factors" to "one-factor" judgemnt of a gun as an "Assault Rifle", and some of the things included on that list.

    A Thumbhole Stock makes a gun an "Assault Rifle"? All by itself?

    Be interesting to see if this has any chance of passing.
    It sure as hell won't pass the House. Likely won't pass the senate either.. Obama knows this too, so it is just a rallying cry to his Base I assume.

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    As long as they keep the grandfathering in, it's a stupid law. If they're going to ban assault weapons, then ban them entirely. You got one before the law changed, turn it in - fair market value. If you don't you face a fine/confiscation or criminal penalties. If you have one unregistered, you're commiting a crime. Period. If they mean what they say, they won't go through the charade of allowing millions of weapons that violate the ban to be on the streets.

    The legislation excludes the following weapons from the bill:

    Any weapon that is lawfully possessed at the date of the bill's enactment;

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