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    Quote Originally Posted by Untouchable View Post
    I'd take a 2nd round pick for Revis and be perfectly content.

    Hell, I'd take a conditional 3rd.

    Some of you guys need to wake up and realize that this team is going through a rebuilding phase and realistically won't contend for another 2-3 years.

    We have no QB, no RB, no TE, a huge question mark at WR, 2/5 of our OL is set to hit the market, 3/4 of our LB corps needs to be replaced, and both of our starting safeties are headed out the door.

    Yet we have half this board wanting to retain Revis at all cost, even though we just fielded the #2 ranked pass defense in the league without him.

    Sorry, that's retarded.

    Some of you guys are just obsessed with having a HOF talent on this team.

    I'm more concerned with finding a legit QB and fixing this sh*tastic offense.
    SERIOUSLY? Why not get rid of the garbage players? we have enough of those!!! and start selecting players who have talent and can excel at the Nfl level... you don't trade a guy who is HOF calidber in his prime.. at his lowest value..... I don't care what my win loss record is next year.. considering all the holes on this team.... doesn't mean I trade away talent....

    the guy domininates when he plays.... against everybody..

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    Sorry but the Jets can live without him.....keep Cro and Landry...we also habe the draft....makes zero sense to give too much for one player.




    Quote Originally Posted by Nike View Post
    John Idzik had to know he would be putting out fires as the new general manager of the Jets, but he probably didn’t anticipate that the welcome mat would be engulfed in flames.

    Hello. Nice to meet you. Some weather we’re having! So are you trading your best player or what?

    That was his introduction on Thursday, because he hadn’t even toured the team’s complex before he was hit with his first typical Jets controversy. One report had owner Woody Johnson looking to trade cornerback Darrelle Revis. Another had Rex Ryan against any such move. Revis, later in the day, said he was “speechless” on Twitter, but given recent Jets history, he won’t stay that way for long.

    Welcome to Florham Park!

    Idzik, to his credit, did not board the first flight back to Seattle. But the new GM missed a chance to diffuse the controversy, choosing to not even offer a lukewarm statement of support for his best player.

    “I haven’t had a chance to sit down and go through the roster, so I think it would be presumptuous to say anything,” Idzik said, as if he was talking about a back-up long snapper.

    This, without question, will be the first major test for the new guy, and the answer should be an easy one. Yes, Idzik might be able to trade Revis for a few young players or draft picks that’ll aid in the rebuilding process.

    But if Idzik is a good general manager, he won’t view Revis as an asset. He’ll recognize him as a cornerstone. He’ll find a way to keep the superstar in a Jets uniform until the day he retires, then go about fitting the necessary pieces around him to build a winning team.

    Honestly, what is the rush to trade Revis? Or maybe this is a better question: How does a team that gave big-money contracts to the wrong players – ala Mark Sanchez and Santonio Holmes – not give one to a player who actually deserves the long-term commitment?

    Forget the idea that some team is going to shower the Jets with draft picks the way Minnesota did for Herschel Walker all those years ago to fuel a Dallas dynasty. There is a reason a deal like that will never happen again: It was panned as one of the worst in sports history.

    Revis, coming off ACL surgery, will never get fair value in a trade. Great players rarely do. He is a superstar in his prime and a leader in the Jets locker room, and Idzik didn’t do himself any favors on his first day by failing to acknowledge that in his introductory press conference.

    “I haven’t had a chance to sit down and go through the roster, so I think it would be presumptuous to say anything,” Idzik said. “One of our first steps is to go through our roster in great detail, that includes Darrelle and everybody on the roster.”

    Maybe this was just the contractor negotiator in Idzik, not wanting to give Revis’ agents more press clippings to leverage against him -- you know, like the ones Ryan has provided for years in gushing over a player integral to his defense. The only time Idzik heaped praise on anyone during his introductory press conference, he was talking about his wife and three kids.

    It is clear from the beginning that, where Ryan is compulsive, his new boss will be cautious. There is nothing wrong with that, of course. Jets fans want less sideshow and more success, and if Ryan was an eight-flavor ice-cream sundae on his first day, then Idzik was a bowl of vanilla.

    But it would’ve been nice to see a little more conviction from the new boss. Idzik talked a lot about seeking input – the college drinking-game words of the day were “collaborative effort” – when the Jets really need one strong voice to set the agenda and put a rudder on this ship.

    Idzik needs to establish himself as that guy. He said the right things about the draft being a “lifeline for us,” and that the team needed to be “judicious in free agency.” The idea that Idzik isn’t a “personnel guy” is overblown – he’s been with enough successful teams to identify good football players, and to know that the Jets don’t have enough of them.

    Revis is one of them. In some ways, trading him might be the easier path. He wants an enormous salary and, unlike his holdouts as a rookie and two years ago in training camp holdout, has the leverage. He can become a free agent at the end of the season, and Johnson reportedly has little confidence that his team can re-sign him.

    Make no mistake: Johnson doesn't really want to trade Revis. He wants to trade his agents, Neil Schwartz and Jonathan Feinsod, who are not the most popular people in Florham Park.

    Idzik will have to deal with that dynamic. He takes over a team that is $19.4 million over the salary cap for 2013. He inherits a starting quarterback who, in the opinion of the head coach, has to “erase his hard drive.” He has to rework his roster to add more depth and talent at every skill position.

    And, if that’s not enough, he has to figure out what to do with the most accomplished player on his roster. The Jets are a better team if he keeps Revis as a cornerstone, not use him as a trade asset. It won’t be easy, but a good general manager always find a way.

    Steve Politi: spoliti@starledger.com; Twitter: @StevePoliti.

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    2-3 years to contend? Based on what? Colts won 2 games in 2011 and made the playoffs the following year with the addition of not many new players.....perhaps you need to pay attentionto teams like the Colts, Redskins and Seahawks...with the right players and system, teams can turn ti around quickly.



    Quote Originally Posted by Untouchable View Post
    I'd take a 2nd round pick for Revis and be perfectly content.

    Hell, I'd take a conditional 3rd.

    Some of you guys need to wake up and realize that this team is going through a rebuilding phase and realistically won't contend for another 2-3 years.

    We have no QB, no RB, no TE, a huge question mark at WR, 2/5 of our OL is set to hit the market, 3/4 of our LB corps needs to be replaced, and both of our starting safeties are headed out the door.

    Yet we have half this board wanting to retain Revis at all cost, even though we just fielded the #2 ranked pass defense in the league without him.

    Sorry, that's retarded.

    Some of you guys are just obsessed with having a HOF talent on this team.

    I'm more concerned with finding a legit QB and fixing this sh*tastic offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinny Testaverde's Niece View Post
    Why should a proven first round pick be traded for less?
    They shouldn't but sometimes the option leaves you no other choice but to get what you can - second rounder. Revis is holding all the cards right now. jets don't pay him now (very big money) . He plays out this season and Jets can't franchise tag him. He unrestricted Fa and watch the bidding war start when it just going to cost salary and not picks.

    The Jets get really a fourth round pick for Revis in 2015 (he leaves as Fa)or trade him now and get a second rounder in 2013. Those are really the only choices jets have.

    That's why if Jets trade him your not getting any where close to his actual value.

    It sucks but that what you have to realize. The time was last year to get the best back for Revis in a trade.
    Last edited by Raider9175; 01-25-2013 at 06:41 AM.

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    The writer is dead on with this. Revis is the best CB of this generation. Guys like Revis only come along every 10 to 20 years anyway. When you manage to get a guy like Revis, you need to realize he will be the final player in a championship puzzle.

    Big players come up big in big games.

    Revis is exactly that.

    Not to mention, Revis essentially makes your defense seem like you have 12 men on the field. Besides LT and Deion, I've never seen another player capable of that.

    If Idzik is worth his salt, he should seek out Revis himself, find out what fair market value is for a guy like that and just pay him. There is no other player on the Jets roster that is more worth it than Darrelle Revis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Untouchable View Post
    Yes, Revis is a great player.

    But please explain to me why we can't live without him?

    One of the few positives from last season is that this defense didn't faulter one bit after Revis went down.

    But yeah, let's throw $16-18 million a year at a guy we got along just fine without and continue to neglect this abortion of an offense.

    Anything to keep our precious Revis.

    He's the best CB in the league, you know?
    Oh, so you are ASSUMING now that Cro had the best season of his entire career that he'll always be that good?

    Not a chance.

    The reason why Revis is as good as he is is because he is consistent. That's something Cro has never been.

    Besides, Cro never essentially gave the Jets an unfair advantage. That's something Revis has always done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsfreak View Post
    2-3 years to contend? Based on what? Colts won 2 games in 2011 and made the playoffs the following year with the addition of not many new players.
    Not many new players?

    Colts had the largest roster change of any team in the NFL last year, including 12 starters on offense/defense.

    And until the Jets find another a real NFL QB, it will be at least 2-3 years before they can contend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainejet View Post
    Oh, so you are ASSUMING now that Cro had the best season of his entire career that he'll always be that good?

    Not a chance.

    The reason why Revis is as good as he is is because he is consistent. That's something Cro has never been.

    Besides, Cro never essentially gave the Jets an unfair advantage. That's something Revis has always done.
    +100000000000

    this right here. The big thing with Revis is his CONSISTENCY. It makes no sense to cut bait with Revis when you dont have anyother person on your team that you can rely on. And everyone spare the hold out talk. He hasnt missed a game due to holding out. Nobody knows that he wouldnt of tweaked his hammy even if he was in training camp.

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    Trade him
    Last edited by Cyberjet; 01-25-2013 at 10:56 AM.

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    Trade him.It's about Wevis now not Mevis anymore. Can't have the CB taking up too much salary. The defense played well without him. he will never hold the Kets hostage again. no player will ever be indispensible again unless they find the qb of the future.Revis is gone - if they don't trade him he is gonna pout and holdout.
    Last edited by Cyberjet; 01-25-2013 at 10:59 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsfreak View Post
    2-3 years to contend? Based on what? Colts won 2 games in 2011 and made the playoffs the following year with the addition of not many new players.....perhaps you need to pay attentionto teams like the Colts, Redskins and Seahawks...with the right players and system, teams can turn ti around quickly.
    Yeah, and the Colts had the fortune of the best QB prospect of the last 30 years falling into their lap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainejet View Post
    Oh, so you are ASSUMING now that Cro had the best season of his entire career that he'll always be that good?

    Not a chance.

    The reason why Revis is as good as he is is because he is consistent. That's something Cro has never been.

    Besides, Cro never essentially gave the Jets an unfair advantage. That's something Revis has always done.
    Yeah, just like you're ASSUMING that Revis comes back as good as new and is willing to accept a deal that won't cripple the hell out of us.

    Sorry, I'm not paying a CB franchise QB money, don't give a sh*t how great he is.

    It's a pretty retarded strategy to have almost a quarter of your cap tied up in your starting CB's alone.

    Name me one team that has ever done something this stupid.

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    This is the crux of the issue. Can't tie up all this $$ into CB. Plus this whole notion that the Jets revolve around Revis has got stop. The philosophy with this team now is big picture - no one guy will dominate the salary structure. One thing for sure Revis will never give into a team friendly contract. He will be traded and that will be the right move for the Jets.

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