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    Kansas’ Governor and G.O.P. Seek to End Income Tax

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/24/us...-tax.html?_r=0


    Predictions?

    Will the economy of Kansas grow like gang busters?

    Will Residents with Children move out?

    Will Ex-Kansans return?

    Will Kansas remain the same?

    It does appear that Governor Brownback is determined to put the economic theories of the hard right into practice




    TOPEKA, Kan. — President Obama stood on the steps of the Capitol in Washington on Monday afternoon and laid out an expansive liberal agenda for the nation. Inside the Kansas State Capitol here this week, Gov. Sam Brownback and Republican legislators have been drafting what could be a blueprint for the other side.

    On Wednesday, lawmakers received a bill to inch the state closer to eliminating income taxes, a centerpiece of a broad legislative vision that many in the Republican Party here hope will serve as a model of conservative governance for other states, if not the nation, to follow.

    While Republican principles of small government and low taxes have holds on large swaths of the country, Kansas provides perhaps the starkest view of the crimson ideology that could challenge Mr. Obama’s Inauguration Day rallying cry.

    This month, the largest tax cut in Kansas history took effect, and most of its Medicaid system was handed over to private insurers. The bill introduced this week would pare taxes further, with the goal of eventually eliminating the state’s individual income tax. Mr. Brownback has already slashed the state’s welfare roll and its work force. He has merged government agencies and is proposing further consolidation. He is pushing for pension changes, to change the way judges are selected and for altering education financing formulas.

    “I think it is the leading edge of the conservative economic and political movement,” said State Representative Tom Sloan, a Republican representing the area around Lawrence. “As such, it is the example that other state leaders will look to to determine whether the political philosophy can mesh with the expectations of the public.”

    In last year’s elections, the state bucked its long tradition of moderate Republicanism. Conservatives ousted several moderates in Senate primary contests and went on to victory in November. Now, for the first time in generations, the House, the Senate and the governor’s office in Kansas are controlled by conservative Republicans. In much of the rest of the country, the political equation is similar: The Republican Party now controls both legislative chambers and governorships in 24 states. Democrats have single-party control in 13.

    Many here, including the governor, have characterized the state’s legislative endeavors as an experiment. Mr. Brownback, elected in 2010, and his supporters are betting that their agenda will show the rest of the country that conservatism provides a path to economic prosperity.

    “I think the unique thing is that we’re applying the principles on how you get your cost down and still provide a high-quality product,” Mr. Brownback said in an interview. “That’s been in the private sector, but it hasn’t been in the public sector for 50 years.”

    Skeptics, meanwhile, contend that Mr. Brownback is leading Kansas toward economic devastation that will leave many of the state’s residents without basic services and its children without a proper education.

    “It kind of eliminates a large group of Kansans out of that pursuit of happiness,” Senator Oletha Faust-Goudeau, a Wichita Democrat, said of the governor’s proposals. “They will still struggle. They’ll pay the highest taxes. They are already working jobs with no benefits or very little benefits.”

    Representative Barbara Bollier, a Republican representing the suburbs of Kansas City, questioned why the state was cutting taxes at a time of sagging revenues. “It’s beyond extremely conservative because no one else is doing it,” she said.

    Legislation passed last year that took effect this month consolidated three income tax brackets into two (4.9 percent and 3 percent). It also eliminated taxes on nonwage profits for certain types of businesses.

    Supporters said these measures were necessary to reverse years of economic stagnation. Private-sector jobs have grown just 1.6 percent in the state over the past 14 years, compared with 12.2 percent in the 10 states with the lowest tax burdens, according to data compiled by the Kansas Policy Institute. The state estimates that the tax cuts will generate nearly 23,000 jobs by 2020 and $2 billion of income for the state.

    “If you look at the demographics of my voter base, a lot moved to Florida and Nevada for lower taxes,” said Senator Susan Wagle, the Republican Senate president who represents Wichita. “I’d like to see them come back.”

    Kansas’ tax policy has caught the attention of its neighbors. Gov. Dave Heineman of Nebraska, a Republican, has introduced a bill to eliminate a variety of taxes, including ones on individual income and small businesses. Gov. Mary Fallin of Oklahoma, also a Republican, plans to call for modest income tax cuts, and Missouri lawmakers have discussed reforming their tax code.

    But there is significant concern in Kansas over the cost of the tax cuts, which is expected to total nearly $850 million in the coming fiscal year. In the budget he presented last week, Mr. Brownback proposed to help cover the cost of those cuts by keeping in place a sales tax increase that was scheduled to expire this year and by eliminating the mortgage interest deduction. Both proposals have proven unpopular among conservatives and liberals alike.

    “I think it’s going to be a hard sell,” said Representative Ray Merrick, the Republican speaker of the House, who supports the income tax cuts.

    Critics say Mr. Brownback’s tax cut was passed on the backs of low-income Kansans. The bill included the repeal of tax credits for food, rental housing and child care that benefited low-income residents. Because of those repeals, the poorest 20 percent of Kansans will spend an additional 1.3 percent of their incomes, an average of $148 per year, on taxes, according to a report by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy. The top 1 percent, meanwhile, will see the share of their income that goes toward taxes drop by 2 percent, or $21,087 per year, the report said.

    “This tax bill that passed is really what I call Robin Hood in reverse,” said Senator Anthony Hensley, the Democratic leader, who represents Topeka.

    While Mr. Brownback has aspired to make Kansas a state without income tax, critics note that other such states have other streams to supplement their revenue — Texas, for instance, has oil, and Florida has tourism. And as he looks to reduce taxes, Mr. Brownback has not increased financing for education to the level that a state appellate court mandated this month. (The state is appealing that ruling.) Opponents fear deeper spending cuts.

    Brownback supporters say more focus needs to be placed on efficient government spending, in education and other areas, rather than the amount that was being spent.

    But Mr. Sloan said he felt that lawmakers were simply tailoring spending to fulfill the tax cuts, risking essential services without so much as discussing what the priorities should be.

    “Bottom line is, if the governor’s right and I’m wrong, the state will prosper,” he said. “If I’m right and the governor’s wrong, then the state will suffer long term. I hope he is correct because that’s the path we’re on, but I have my doubts.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/24/us...-tax.html?_r=0


    Predictions?

    Will the economy of Kansas grow like gang busters?

    Will Residents with Children move out?

    Will Ex-Kansans return?

    Will Kansas remain the same?

    It does appear that Governor Brownback is determined to put the economic theories of the hard right into practice
    A number of States have "no taxes" of this type or that. Deleware has no Sales Tax. Florida has no Income Tax.

    If the duly elected legislators of Kansas want it, so be it. If it fails, they'll be replaced, and the new Reps can tax as they see fit within the law.

    Whats the problem, exactly?

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    The Democrats Tax and Spend and what has improved? Oh I mean Spend and Tax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    A number of States have "no taxes" of this type or that. Deleware has no Sales Tax. Florida has no Income Tax.

    If the duly elected legislators of Kansas want it, so be it. If it fails, they'll be replaced, and the new Reps can tax as they see fit within the law.

    Whats the problem, exactly?
    Exactly? There's no EQUALITY! The hard left buzzword du jour!
    Poor people paying an extra $148 per year?! SCANDALOUS!


    Seriously, tho, this won't be any worse than what Obuttocks has done to the country.

    And a big GFY to the NY Slimes for using the phrase "crimson ideology". Meant to evoke "bloody ideology".

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    The bill included the repeal of tax credits for food, rental housing and child care that benefited low-income residents. Because of those repeals, the poorest 20 percent of Kansans will spend an additional 1.3 percent of their incomes, an average of $148 per year, on taxes, according to a report by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy. The top 1 percent, meanwhile, will see the share of their income that goes toward taxes drop by 2 percent, or $21,087 per year, the report said.

    It feeds the rich while it buries the poor

    Civil War Lyrics, Guns N' Roses

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    see? I rest my case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quantum View Post
    see? I rest my case.
    An average of $148 to a family in poverty living in Kansas is nothing to simply dismiss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intelligentjetsfan View Post
    The bill included the repeal of tax credits for food, rental housing and child care that benefited low-income residents. Because of those repeals, the poorest 20 percent of Kansans will spend an additional 1.3 percent of their incomes, an average of $148 per year, on taxes, according to a report by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy. The top 1 percent, meanwhile, will see the share of their income that goes toward taxes drop by 2 percent, or $21,087 per year, the report said.

    It feeds the rich while it buries the poor

    Civil War Lyrics, Guns N' Roses
    Translation:

    By Ending State Income Taxation on 100% of the people, the "20%" who were Getting Direct Subsidy From "Tax Credits", i.e. Welfare, will no longer get it.

    And apparently it's new that those paying the most benefit the most when a percentage basded tax system is reduced or eliminated. By this qualifier, every tax reduction ever is "for the rich".

    Shocking stuff this.

    Well, I would suggest that if direct State welfare subsidy for the poor for food, child-care and rental costs are good ideas, they can and should thus be passed as legislation on their own, not included as part of tax policy.

    It should also be pointed out that these "tax credits", i.e. subsidy, are above and beyond all already in place welfare programs, like food stamps for example. In effect they get welfare twice for the same purpose, once directly (food stamps) and once indirectly via tax code (tax credits on taxes they don't actually pay any net loss on).


    The Tax System should not be a backdoor Welfare System. It should do one thing, tax citizens. If we choose to have welfare (and we should to some degree), it should be on it's own value and rightiousness, and in it's own Law.
    Last edited by Warfish; 01-25-2013 at 10:08 AM.

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    Do people on welfare pay taxes now? If not a little incentive to get a job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intelligentjetsfan View Post
    An average of $148 to a family in poverty living in Kansas is nothing to simply dismiss.
    ESPECIALLY when the evil rich are not paying their fair share and eating poor people's babies, right?


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    Sam Bareback is one of the biggest far-right idiots in American Politics today and that is saying something. This is a silly PR stunt so Bareback can run for President in 2016. This move is doomed and the Kansas state deficit will explode. First rate negligence and political narcissism. I feel sorry for Kansas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detjetsfan View Post
    I feel sorry for Kansas.
    Then don't move there. Be sure to move to (or stay) in an ultra-high-tax State instead. It's your dime, after all, if you want to give it to your State, the best way is to live in a State that wants to take it.

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    It would be nice to know the details on:

    Mr. Brownback has already slashed the state’s welfare roll and its work force. He has merged government agencies and is proposing further consolidation. He is pushing for pension changes, to change the way judges are selected and for altering education financing formulas.
    Where has the line been drawn on welfare?


    Kansas has done some crazy stuff in the past regarding education, see creationism circa 2000. I wonder what curriculum is getting hit (if any) is taking the deepest cuts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    Then don't move there. Be sure to move to (or stay) in an ultra-high-tax State instead.
    Between Brownback's ineptitude and the "God Hates Fags" people I think I won't be moving to Kansas anytime soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intelligentjetsfan View Post
    An average of $148 to a family in poverty living in Kansas is nothing to simply dismiss.
    Do you donate to charity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by detjetsfan View Post
    Between Brownback's ineptitude and the "God Hates Fags" people I think I won't be moving to Kansas anytime soon.
    Then what difference does it make to you or me what their income tax rate is or isn't?

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    Quote Originally Posted by intelligentjetsfan View Post
    The bill included the repeal of tax credits for food, rental housing and child care that benefited low-income residents. Because of those repeals, the poorest 20 percent of Kansans will spend an additional 1.3 percent of their incomes, an average of $148 per year, on taxes, according to a report by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy. The top 1 percent, meanwhile, will see the share of their income that goes toward taxes drop by 2 percent, or $21,087 per year, the report said.

    It feeds the rich while it buries the poor

    Civil War Lyrics, Guns N' Roses
    Nice talking points...Far left fear mongering. Not exactly factual.

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    This is nothing new. Where I live in Florida we have no State income taxes. We are not exactly a RED STATE either.. State income taxes are costly. I don't know how some in my family afford to live in NY anymore.

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