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    Does anyone know what happens if Revis is traded after the June 1st cuts ?

    What are the remaining cap hits this year and next year ?

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    I would think we could get more if we spread the "terms" over multiple years. Just like buying a car. If you pay for it all in one lump sum you pay less but if you take a loan you pay a lot more.

    Say get a CB, OL and a # 3 in 2013 and a #1 in 2014 and a # 2 in 2015.

    But getting all of these teams that felt they were almost SB teams in 2012 bidding against each other is key.

    In terms of negotiating when they offer us "not enough" for Revis we can always say "hmmm....we might do that for Cromartie..." it would be a half-step from the walking away from talks.

    If the report in this article is true we maybe in an awesome spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nike View Post
    the amount of hate on this board for certain players sickens me. are all you haters happy miserating year after year since 1969.

    this guy is no good this guy is cancer this guy wants too much money. trade revis for what? draft picks that may never play an nfl down or contribute anywhere near what he does.

    how many of you work and earn a paycheck? thats what revis is doing he just so happens to be the best at what he does in the nfl. so lets hate him lets bash him lets trade him. why not then most of us wouldnt have anything to ***** moan and complain about.
    Gmc, some people know how to trade assets wisely

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatsFanTX View Post
    Why the hell would any team give up the opportunity to tag a player, especially the best player at his position in the NFL.
    The Pats went through that with Asante Samuel. There may have been others also. I think the players have to convince the team that they're willing to sit out the major portion of a season to get what they want, ala Logan Mankins.

    As for the Revis situation, I can't believe that his value is really that high. How many games has he missed? He doesn't care much for making tackles does he? I can still see him doing a complete ole' against Tebow on a run last year. He wants too much money and there's no guarantee that he'll honor the contract anyway. He also comes across as very selfish. If I were a Jets fan I'd be delighted to get whatever I could for the guy. He's going to leave anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pats1960 View Post
    The Pats went through that with Asante Samuel. There may have been others also. I think the players have to convince the team that they're willing to sit out the major portion of a season to get what they want, ala Logan Mankins.

    As for the Revis situation, I can't believe that his value is really that high. How many games has he missed? He doesn't care much for making tackles does he? I can still see him doing a complete ole' against Tebow on a run last year. He wants too much money and there's no guarantee that he'll honor the contract anyway. He also comes across as very selfish. If I were a Jets fan I'd be delighted to get whatever I could for the guy. He's going to leave anyway.
    This isn't true at all. Revis is an excellent tackler. There a very, very few CB's in the NFL who can tackle as well as Revis

    One of the first things I noticed watching Revis his rookie year was how good he was at tackling.

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    I would love it if there really was a gold rush and a slew of teams lining up to trade for Darrelle Revis but I am highly skeptical of that story. It is probably something put out by the Jets themselves to help gin up interest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pats1960 View Post
    The Pats went through that with Asante Samuel. There may have been others also. I think the players have to convince the team that they're willing to sit out the major portion of a season to get what they want, ala Logan Mankins.

    As for the Revis situation, I can't believe that his value is really that high. How many games has he missed? He doesn't care much for making tackles does he? I can still see him doing a complete ole' against Tebow on a run last year. He wants too much money and there's no guarantee that he'll honor the contract anyway. He also comes across as very selfish. If I were a Jets fan I'd be delighted to get whatever I could for the guy. He's going to leave anyway.

    THIS^^^


    I don't understand all the talk of "we should trade him here, we should trade him for this or that, etc.

    Revis, and only Revis, will decide where he gets traded. He holds ALL the cards and the Jets hold none. He's the one that gets to decide the kind of contract extension is acceptable. If he doesn't get it, he walks as a UFA at year's end. It may suck, but the likely end here is the Jets getting a compensatory 3. That's all folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuidoYaztremski View Post
    THIS^^^


    I don't understand all the talk of "we should trade him here, we should trade him for this or that, etc.

    Revis, and only Revis, will decide where he gets traded. He holds ALL the cards and the Jets hold none. He's the one that gets to decide the kind of contract extension is acceptable. If he doesn't get it, he walks as a UFA at year's end. It may suck, but the likely end here is the Jets getting a compensatory 3. That's all folks.
    He does not hold 100% of the cards. He still needs the Jets to provide him with a stage for his 2013 league-wide audition. If things go completely poisonous then the Jets could possibly piss in his Cheerios too.

    Other than that the Revis side does hold close to all of the cards. Another in a long line of idiot deals by our supposedly cap genius former GM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pats1960 View Post
    The Pats went through that with Asante Samuel. There may have been others also. I think the players have to convince the team that they're willing to sit out the major portion of a season to get what they want, ala Logan Mankins.

    As for the Revis situation, I can't believe that his value is really that high. How many games has he missed? He doesn't care much for making tackles does he? I can still see him doing a complete ole' against Tebow on a run last year. He wants too much money and there's no guarantee that he'll honor the contract anyway. He also comes across as very selfish. If I were a Jets fan I'd be delighted to get whatever I could for the guy. He's going to leave anyway.


    Why post if you dont know what the hell you are talking about!!!!!!!

    Good Grief!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EM31 View Post
    He does not hold 100% of the cards. He still needs the Jets to provide him with a stage for his 2013 league-wide audition.
    +1,000,000


    Revis isn't getting sh_t in free agency in 2014 if no one has seen him play football for almost 2 years and he's coming off a torn ACL. If he wants to hold out of TC go ahead he doesn't even need f'n TC or preseason to be good for us.

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    What would they do? Not play him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EM31 View Post
    He does not hold 100% of the cards. He still needs the Jets to provide him with a stage for his 2013 league-wide audition. If things go completely poisonous then the Jets could possibly piss in his Cheerios too.

    Other than that the Revis side does hold close to all of the cards. Another in a long line of idiot deals by our supposedly cap genius former GM.
    Quote Originally Posted by detjetsfan View Post
    +1,000,000


    Revis isn't getting sh_t in free agency in 2014 if no one has seen him play football for almost 2 years and he's coming off a torn ACL. If he wants to hold out of TC go ahead he doesn't even need f'n TC or preseason to be good for us.
    He can't hold out. It's the ONLY part of the contract Tanny got right. BUT, do you and EM31 really think that the Jets, out of spite, would pay him to sit for the entire season because he wouldn't play nice with a potential trading partner? So the Jets not only lose him for good and get nothing in return, but they pay him his full salary AND lose his services for 2013 also? Please. Besides, he'd find another way to show he's healthy and any interested suitor would look at it as a bonus that he had yet another year with no wear and tear on his body, plus the extra rehab.

    He's got ALL the leverage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuidoYaztremski View Post
    Revis holds ALL the cards and the Jets hold none.
    ... Sorry to be the bearer of bad tiding to you Nostradamus ... Revis is pushing to get paid 16 mil per season ... He is set to earn 6 mil discounting any bonus $$$ that's already in his pocket ...

    You think he'd rather make 6 mil next year for the jets ... Or 15 mil for Tampa ?


    In addition to his island, he has another moniker of Mevis for a reason ...

    ... He does not hold all the cards ...



    Ljr

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    Quote Originally Posted by lamont_jordan_rules View Post
    ... Sorry to be the bearer of bad tiding to you Nostradamus ... Revis is pushing to get paid 16 mil per season ... He is set to earn 6 mil discounting any bonus $$$ that's already in his pocket ...

    You think he'd rather make 6 mil next year for the jets ... Or 15 mil for Tampa ?


    In addition to his island, he has another moniker of Mevis for a reason ...

    ... He does not hold all the cards ...



    Ljr
    It's the opposite of what Guido stated. Revis holds none of the cards. One of the few good contracts that Tannenbaum agreed to.

    Revis is working hard now, so he has to come back and play well in order to show the world that he can still play. Saying he'll be fine is just that, talk. He MUST show that he's worth a big contract.

    Last year he left the team early, and Cromartie stepped up and played well. The defense was playoff worthy, and if the offense was worth anything the Jets would be in the hunt. The defense was fine without Revis. There is a strong CB on the team besides Revis. He knows this.

    Couple all of this with his injury, and the fact that the Jets are rebuilding, and the Jets don't have to offer him a 6 year/100 million dollar deal. He (a CB) will not put the Jets from 6-10 to 11-5 by himself. He's not worth the money right now. Maybe 2 years ago, or maybe 2 years from now, but right now he's not worth it. Multiple picks, and a possible QB prospect is more important than a CB, HOF or not.

    Revis can agree to a lesser contract and stay a Jet, or take his chances.

    Jets aren't relying on his services, but Revis is depending on the Jets to give him what he wants.

    The Jets have more of an "all the cards" stance than Revis does. Just because he was great, coming off an ACL injury, concussion, missing most of the year, the salary cap, rebuilding, and an absence of a true QB on the team make Revis expendable.

    If he agrees to a contract, or plays his heart out and plays well like he has, and stays a Jet, great. If not, and we move him to help the team, great. Either way the Jets will benefit, but on the Jets terms, not Revis'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuidoYaztremski View Post
    He can't hold out. It's the ONLY part of the contract Tanny got right. BUT, do you and EM31 really think that the Jets, out of spite, would pay him to sit for the entire season because he wouldn't play nice with a potential trading partner? So the Jets not only lose him for good and get nothing in return, but they pay him his full salary AND lose his services for 2013 also? Please. Besides, he'd find another way to show he's healthy and any interested suitor would look at it as a bonus that he had yet another year with no wear and tear on his body, plus the extra rehab.

    He's got ALL the leverage.
    I said unless the whole things turns poisonous and that is all I said. Like Jackson in San Diego a few years ago sometimes things can go south in a hurry. As a practical matter Darrelle Revis still needs to prove to the world that he can be all world. He needs to do that next season and he needs to do that on the field.

    Aside from that I have already agreed with you that camp Revis holds all of the cards and usually you are quicker on the uptake than that but just in case let me do it again. I agree with you Guido that camp Revis holds all of the cards except as noted above.

    Feel better now?

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    I don't know if he holds all the cards, but I side with Guido. How many teams are gonna give up the boatload the Jets and Revis are both gonna want? A Trade is unlikely. So the Jets risk losing him after this yr, if they can't work it out

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    Quote Originally Posted by John_0515 View Post
    It's the opposite of what Guido stated. Revis holds none of the cards. One of the few good contracts that Tannenbaum agreed to.

    Revis is working hard now, so he has to come back and play well in order to show the world that he can still play. Saying he'll be fine is just that, talk. He MUST show that he's worth a big contract.

    Last year he left the team early, and Cromartie stepped up and played well. The defense was playoff worthy, and if the offense was worth anything the Jets would be in the hunt. The defense was fine without Revis. There is a strong CB on the team besides Revis. He knows this.

    Couple all of this with his injury, and the fact that the Jets are rebuilding, and the Jets don't have to offer him a 6 year/100 million dollar deal. He (a CB) will not put the Jets from 6-10 to 11-5 by himself. He's not worth the money right now. Maybe 2 years ago, or maybe 2 years from now, but right now he's not worth it. Multiple picks, and a possible QB prospect is more important than a CB, HOF or not.

    Revis can agree to a lesser contract and stay a Jet, or take his chances.

    Jets aren't relying on his services, but Revis is depending on the Jets to give him what he wants.

    The Jets have more of an "all the cards" stance than Revis does. Just because he was great, coming off an ACL injury, concussion, missing most of the year, the salary cap, rebuilding, and an absence of a true QB on the team make Revis expendable.

    If he agrees to a contract, or plays his heart out and plays well like he has, and stays a Jet, great. If not, and we move him to help the team, great. Either way the Jets will benefit, but on the Jets terms, not Revis'.

    You were doing so good until the bolded part, there's so much wrong there. There is no moving him to help the team after he "plays his heart out and plays well like he has".

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    Quote Originally Posted by lamont_jordan_rules View Post
    ... Sorry to be the bearer of bad tiding to you Nostradamus ... Revis is pushing to get paid 16 mil per season ... He is set to earn 6 mil discounting any bonus $$$ that's already in his pocket ...

    You think he'd rather make 6 mil next year for the jets ... Or 15 mil for Tampa ?

    In addition to his island, he has another moniker of Mevis for a reason ...

    ... He does not hold all the cards ...

    Ljr
    What you say is true until the last sentence. Yes, Revis MAY play for a team like Tampa if they offer him 15 million per, but it will up to HIM to do it. Just because the Jets may get Tampa to agree to give up a slew of picks and a player or two, doesn't mean Revis HAS to negotiate a deal in good faith if he doesn't want to. If Revis is hell bent on becoming a UFA in 2014, that's exactly what he'll be. Jets have ZERO say in the matter.


    ...Revis holds ALL the cards....


    Quote Originally Posted by John_0515 View Post
    It's the opposite of what Guido stated. Revis holds none of the cards. One of the few good contracts that Tannenbaum agreed to.

    Revis is working hard now, so he has to come back and play well in order to show the world that he can still play. Saying he'll be fine is just that, talk. He MUST show that he's worth a big contract.

    Last year he left the team early, and Cromartie stepped up and played well. The defense was playoff worthy, and if the offense was worth anything the Jets would be in the hunt. The defense was fine without Revis. There is a strong CB on the team besides Revis. He knows this.

    Couple all of this with his injury, and the fact that the Jets are rebuilding, and the Jets don't have to offer him a 6 year/100 million dollar deal. He (a CB) will not put the Jets from 6-10 to 11-5 by himself. He's not worth the money right now. Maybe 2 years ago, or maybe 2 years from now, but right now he's not worth it. Multiple picks, and a possible QB prospect is more important than a CB, HOF or not.

    Revis can agree to a lesser contract and stay a Jet, or take his chances.

    Jets aren't relying on his services, but Revis is depending on the Jets to give him what he wants.

    The Jets have more of an "all the cards" stance than Revis does. Just because he was great, coming off an ACL injury, concussion, missing most of the year, the salary cap, rebuilding, and an absence of a true QB on the team make Revis expendable.

    If he agrees to a contract, or plays his heart out and plays well like he has, and stays a Jet, great. If not, and we move him to help the team, great. Either way the Jets will benefit, but on the Jets terms, not Revis'.
    How is it on the Jets terms? The Jets can't FORCE Revis to accept a deal from any team he doesn't want to play for. Like I said before, if he's determined to become an UFA after next year, that is NOTHING the Jets can do to prevent it and the Jets get nothing but a comp. pick. How is that holding all of the cards for the Jets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EM31 View Post
    I said unless the whole things turns poisonous and that is all I said. Like Jackson in San Diego a few years ago sometimes things can go south in a hurry. As a practical matter Darrelle Revis still needs to prove to the world that he can be all world. He needs to do that next season and he needs to do that on the field.

    Aside from that I have already agreed with you that camp Revis holds all of the cards and usually you are quicker on the uptake than that but just in case let me do it again. I agree with you Guido that camp Revis holds all of the cards except as noted above.

    Feel better now?
    Yes, thank. I DO feel better. But if the Jets force him to sit, it just delays his megadeal with another team by one year. He'll sign somewhere else for a one year try-out to show the world he still has it. So not only do the Jets lose him and get nothing, they lose his services for a year. Doubt that it would happen.

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    Peter King MMQB excerpt on Revis...

    no need for another Revis thread.... though I am sure someone will make one from this anyway

    The Revis story.

    First, kudos to CBS' Jason La Canfora for breaking the story that the Jets may trade Revis instead of paying him an ungodly sum to stay and anchor their secondary. That's good work by La Canfora.

    I am categorically, adamantly opposed to the Jets trading Revis. I believe Woody Johnson will rue the day he trades the best cornerback -- a slightly risky tag, obviously, given that he's coming off October knee surgery -- regardless of how uncomfortable the Jets' salary cap fit is right now. You don't trade great players at vital positions in their prime. You never recoup the value.

    In today's game, quarterback is the most important position, followed in some order by pass rusher, cornerback and left tackle. Given that we've just seen the most passes thrown in any NFL season, I'd say corner or pass rusher is now the second-most important position to fill. How good is Revis? I'll let my friend Neil Hornsby of ProFootballFocus.com expound on that right after this section. But in short, he's damn good. And while any knee surgery is a worry, there's no credible indication that he'll be significantly worse for wear in 2013 coming off ACL surgery. Heck, linebacker Thomas Davis of the Panthers tore the same ACL three times in three seasons -- in 2009, 2010 and 2011 -- and still played well in 2012.

    Revis will be 28 on opening day next year. Two of the league's best five corners in 2012 were Champ Bailey, 34, and Charles Tillman, 31. There is no reason to suggest age will be an issue with Revis.

    A couple of pieces of history here.

    One: In 2007, when the Jets drafted Revis, they traded their first-, second- and fifth-round picks, 25th, 59th and 164th overall, to Carolina for the 14th pick. Revis was picked 14th. Carolina picked linebacker Jon Beason 25th and center Ryan Kalil 59th. Beason made three Pro Bowls in his first four seasons but has struggled with injuries since; Kalil has started 68 games since, and also has made three Pro Bowl teams. So if you're going to trade Revis, understand you're trading a player who cost you first- and second-round picks to acquire -- and if the Jets had hung onto the second-rounder, they could have turned it into a player at a need position like guard-tackle Marshal Yanda or defensive tackle Brandon Mebane. So it would be folly for the Jets, if they did the deal, to crow about getting first- and second-round picks in return; that's what they traded to get him in the first place.

    Two: If the Jets trade Revis, they'll be putting a dagger through coach Rex Ryan's heart. In effect, barring an upset, they'd be firing him nine or 10 months early. They'd be saying to him, We know the most important thing to your defense is the cornerback position, and everything you do on defense is predicated on your corners holding up, but we're trading Revis anyway. After the Jets lost to Peyton Manning in the 2009 AFC title game, Ryan told GM Mike Tannenbaum he had to have more corners, and so the Jets traded a second-round pick to San Diego for cornerback Antonio Cromartie, then drafted cornerback Kyle Wilson from Boise State in the first round. Ryan always said Revis was the best corner he'd been around, but he needed more. And Tannenbaum went out and got them. History has shown the Jets overvalued Wilson, who is just a guy. Cromartie is good. Without Revis, it's a pedestrian secondary.

    Now, about the money. Revis has a year left on his contract, provided he doesn't hold out, and he will want to be the highest-paid defensive player in the game. Currently, Chicago defensive end Julius Peppers makes an average of $15.3 million a year; Buffalo pass rusher Mario Williams averages $16 million a year. There is no doubt Revis is better at his position than Peppers or Williams is at theirs -- of course, assuming Revis comes back whole from his surgery.

    You see I keep glossing over the surgery aspect for Revis. That's because knee surgeries are so advanced now that it's assumed the player will be able to return to the form of his former self. Adrian Peterson might have been better this year after a more serious knee surgery than Revis had; Wes Welker, in three seasons of cutting and sprinting since tearing his ACL and MCL, has averaged a league-high 109 catches per year. So although it has to be a concern, I don't think it should concern the Jets enough to scare them off from paying him.

    If I were the Jets, I'd tell Revis he needs to show he's back to Revis form in the first, say, half of the season. Then I'd lock him up for five years, at $17 million per, in a deal where the guaranteed money will counter-balance the fact that the Jets are in cap trouble right now.

    If the Jets choose to shop him, I have a feeling Denver football operations czar John Elway will try hard to convince owner Pat Bowlen that Revis would be the missing piece to a championship team. The Broncos are $14.2 million under the cap this morning, but that doesn't include the estimated $10 million they'd need to budget for free agent tackle Ryan Clady, who's a must-keep. That could be lower, of course, with a long-term deal for Clady. And they could save money by reworking Peyton Manning's $20 million cap number this year.

    Andy Reid could be tempted with $17 million of cap room in Kansas City, and GM Trent Baalke in San Francisco could be a player too; the Niners will have significant money available when -- I presume -- they dump Alex Smith before April 1. And there are other teams that might be willing to give a first-round pick plus other value (maybe a third-rounder and a journeyman cornerback as well) for Revis. But remember, the compensation isn't just two picks and a player, or whatever ... it's also wrecking your cap in a flat-cap era for Revis, instead of the significantly more manageable money the fixed-cost high-draft choices now provide.

    The Jets also need to make the decision on Revis in 2013. Why? They gave away the ability to franchise Revis when they negotiated the current contract, and so if Revis plays out this year, there's not only the reality of getting nothing in return for him if he walks in free agency. There's also the risk of Revis signing with New England. What's the position that has made Bill Belichick look like a dunce on recent draft days? Cornerback. And if Revis went on to play in New England, and play superbly, the fans would be coming to the Meadowlands with pitchforks and torches looking for owner Woody Johnson.

    But I don't care what they'd get in return, unless someone (other than New England, a team the Jets obviously should do no business with) does something stupid like offer three first-rounders and a decent player. It won't be worth it. In this league, at cornerback, if you've got the best, you grit your teeth and pay the man.

    ***

    The Deep End

    Each week, thanks to play-by-play game dissection by ProFootballFocus.com, I'm able to look at one important matchup or individual performance metric in pro football through the keen eyes of PFF czar Neil Hornsby. This week, he examines how good Revis is, with the news that the Jets are examining whether to keep Revis or trade him before he becomes an unrestricted free agent in March 2014. Hornsby's report:

    "If Darrelle Revis is a player in decline, I don't see it. It doesn't wash from a statistical point of view or on tape. Since 2009, the only season that anyone could legitimately say he wasn't the best corner in football was 2010, where despite clearly being hampered by injury, he still held up incredibly well. Even in 2012, if you extrapolate the very small sample of data, he would have led the league in most categories.

    "Simply put, if you throw the ball at him it doesn't get completed. Since 2009, his ranking in completion percentage of balls targeted at him is first, first, second and first (though he had but 93 snaps in 2012). Additionally he doesn't give up big plays -- Revis has allowed only six touchdowns in his last 1,607 coverage snaps -- and consequently quarterbacks have no success throwing at him. The QB rating into his coverage since 2008 has been 32.3, 78.8, 45.6 and 6.3 in those four seasons ... but don't forget that 78.8 came in 2010, when he was playing hurt.

    "For those who want to point to the decline of Nnamdi Asomugha since his move to Philadelphia, this is a completely different scenario. Before going east, Asomugha almost always played man coverage on the right side of Oakland's defense. Being the best player in a suboptimal secondary that never changed position, he could be avoided with ease and this allowed him to build a hugely impressive statistical resume. When he was asked to play different positions and more zone, Asomugha's failings became obvious. What makes Revis' resume all the more remarkable is that he almost always tracks the opposition's No. 1 receiver (even into the slot) and far more often than not shuts them down. His track record is remarkable."

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