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    Another Example of Why (R) Will Keep Losing Elections

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...est=latestnews

    In all seriousness, can (R) please, please, stop being obsessed with Homosexuality.

    It's a loser issue. It becomes more of a loser issue with each passing day.

    The only argument against gays is a religious one, not a civil law one.

    If you can't see how this obsession, combined with equal obsessions over abortions, are losing issues for you.....well, enjoy greater and greater levels of defeat. The base who supports these are growing smaller each year, and dying off.

    The youth, the people whose country this will be, support gays, and want abortions. Thats the facts.

    Every mention of "legitimate rape" and each new bill designed to root out the "fags" only serves to make you look more and more outdated to the next generation fo voter.

    And sadly, with that, so goes legitimate conservativism of the fiscal and defense variety.

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    +1 to every point you made.

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    I agree. The idiots just can't help themselves. And the sad thing is the liberal media is out to get every quote and soundbite they can get and these idiots are to dumb to realize it. At this point, they would do more damage (for lack of a better term) to the LBGT movement if they just kept quiet. They are the gift that keeps on giving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...est=latestnews

    In all seriousness, can (R) please, please, stop being obsessed with Homosexuality.

    It's a loser issue. It becomes more of a loser issue with each passing day.

    The only argument against gays is a religious one, not a civil law one.

    If you can't see how this obsession, combined with equal obsessions over abortions, are losing issues for you.....well, enjoy greater and greater levels of defeat. The base who supports these are growing smaller each year, and dying off.

    The youth, the people whose country this will be, support gays, and want abortions. Thats the facts.

    Every mention of "legitimate rape" and each new bill designed to root out the "fags" only serves to make you look more and more outdated to the next generation fo voter.

    And sadly, with that, so goes legitimate conservativism of the fiscal and defense variety.
    As a Conservative Republican, I have not been more displeased with my party than I am now. The party is a mess right now and divided. Why they focus so much time and attention on these social issues is beyond me. It is a losing proposition. I am not in favor of abortion, but I realize there is no way it is going to be banned.

    I am FAR LESS (if at all) concerned about these social issues than I am about the ridiculous spending and the current state of our economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sec.101row23 View Post
    As a Conservative Republican, I have not been more displeased with my party than I am now. The party is a mess right now and divided. Why they focus so much time and attention on these social issues is beyond me. It is a losing proposition. I am not in favor of abortion, but I realize there is no way it is going to be banned.

    I am FAR LESS (if at all) concerned about these social issues than I am about the ridiculous spending and the current state of our economy.
    And its a shame because I think a lot of folks agree more with the R's in terms of fiscal issues and the economy, but can't get behind them based on their archaic social views.

    At least for me this is the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sec.101row23 View Post
    As a Conservative Republican, I have not been more displeased with my party than I am now. The party is a mess right now and divided. Why they focus so much time and attention on these social issues is beyond me. It is a losing proposition. I am not in favor of abortion, but I realize there is no way it is going to be banned.

    I am FAR LESS (if at all) concerned about these social issues than I am about the ridiculous spending and the current state of our economy.
    IMO whats coming (sooner than later) will be a schism between (mostly Religious-based) Social Conservatives, and the rest of the "Conservative" side, i.e. Fiscal Conserv., Defense Conserv., Libertarians, etc.

    The Social Conservative is an outdated concept, tbqh. Desperate to hold on to 1950's style social norms that have simply been outdated by time and the march of society.

    As time goes on, and younger generations come to power, these social issues will ALL be lost causes for those still fighting them. And those staying int he fight will be smaller and smaller, and form a smaller portion of their side until such time as they're effectively ejected or minimized completely.

    Of coure, they'll be new social issues to fight over, there always is, and today's easy going, socially liberal kids will be tomorrows stuffy old "you can't do full body modification with robotic parts, it's UNNATURAL!!" social grump.

    But history is pretty clear. Clinging to old social norms over time loses every time. Time, and society, moves on, and leaves behind those who cannot adapt or will not accept what society as a whole decides is ok.

    Hell, these same social folks today are the ones who keep laws like "no cohabitation before marriage" laws on the books in states like VA. To think, today it is still illegal (if never enforced) for a man and women to live together before being married.

    Talk about outdated thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sec.101row23 View Post
    As a Conservative Republican, I have not been more displeased with my party than I am now. The party is a mess right now and divided. Why they focus so much time and attention on these social issues is beyond me. It is a losing proposition. I am not in favor of abortion, but I realize there is no way it is going to be banned.

    I am FAR LESS (if at all) concerned about these social issues than I am about the ridiculous spending and the current state of our economy.
    Agreed. My daughter who went to ultra liberal UNC stated the following and it rings true...

    "I am sick and tiredof my friends thinking I hate gays and blacks because I am a republican"


    the libs are doing EVERYTHING they can to build up this stereotype but we as conservatives must oust the ultra religious from the party.

    I think Giuliani did a good job of being conservative but liberal socially.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southparkcpa View Post
    Agreed. My daughter who went to ultra liberal UNC stated the following and it rings true...

    "I am sick and tiredof my friends thinking I hate gays and blacks because I am a republican"


    the libs are doing EVERYTHING they can to build up this stereotype but we as conservatives must oust the ultra religious from the party.

    I think Giuliani did a good job of being conservative but liberal socially.
    I was a huge Giuliani supporter back in 2008. I think the Fiscal Conservative, Social Moderate is the direction the party needs to go in order to win a National Election. The Social Conservatives need to realize that winning the election is the most important issue, without doing that, the rest is a moot point.

    The Ultra Conservative Evangelicals need to realize that their social issues need to take a back seat to the fiscal issues that are killing this country.

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    I have yet to see a true Conservative Republican, they don't exist or they can't exist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cr726 View Post
    I have yet to see a true Conservative Republican, they don't exist or they can't exist?
    They exist, they just dont win a National election. They just seem to alienate a good portion of Independent voters. Also, having a candidate that has some charisma and personality would help as well. As much as we like to think people vote based on the issues, it is apparent that a decent percentage of voters vote like they are voting for an American Idol contestant. Lets face it McCain and Romney were about as boring as they come.

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    I haven't seen a real Democrat in decades, they are more liberals/socialist then anything else. You are right the Conservatives are no longer members of the Republican Party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MnJetFan View Post
    I haven't seen a real Democrat in decades, they are more liberals/socialist then anything else. You are right the Conservatives are no longer members of the Republican Party.
    I agree with you, elections, except for off year primaries, are popularity contests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cr726 View Post
    I have yet to see a true Conservative Republican, they don't exist or they can't exist?
    You would have to define the term before you found one. What is this true conservative? Ask someone like me and you'd get a libertarian answer along the lines of : true conservatives believe that government should be small and free market principles should be applied to most areas of government and the economy.

    Ask an evangelical social conservative and they'd say a True Conservative must be against abortion and gay marriage.

    There is no consensus. Social Conservatives call socially moderate GOPers RINO's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cr726 View Post
    I have yet to see a true Conservative Republican, they don't exist or they can't exist?
    Hey pal... you've been missed

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefst2000 View Post
    You would have to define the term before you found one. What is this true conservative? Ask someone like me and you'd get a libertarian answer along the lines of : true conservatives believe that government should be small and free market principles should be applied to most areas of government and the economy.

    Ask an evangelical social conservative and they'd say a True Conservative must be against abortion and gay marriage.

    There is no consensus. Social Conservatives call socially moderate GOPers RINO's.
    Reagan would be considered what today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...est=latestnews

    In all seriousness, can (R) please, please, stop being obsessed with Homosexuality.

    It's a loser issue. It becomes more of a loser issue with each passing day.

    The only argument against gays is a religious one, not a civil law one.

    If you can't see how this obsession, combined with equal obsessions over abortions, are losing issues for you.....well, enjoy greater and greater levels of defeat. The base who supports these are growing smaller each year, and dying off.

    The youth, the people whose country this will be, support gays, and want abortions. Thats the facts.

    Every mention of "legitimate rape" and each new bill designed to root out the "fags" only serves to make you look more and more outdated to the next generation fo voter.

    And sadly, with that, so goes legitimate conservativism of the fiscal and defense variety.
    we need to get rid of most of the old white guys. until then, more foot-in-mouth disease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cr726 View Post
    Reagan would be considered what today?
    Reagan would be a RINO to most Social Values types today. Remember he was someone that "switched positions" to become anti-abortion later in life. The brains behind all of Reagan's economic plans and positions is the most prominant libertarian mind of the 20th century in Milton Friedman. So in my opinion the primary thing that made Reagan great was pursuing a Libertarian view of economics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefst2000 View Post
    Reagan would be a RINO to most Social Values types today. Remember he was someone that "switched positions" to become anti-abortion later in life. The brains behind all of Reagan's economic plans and positions is the most prominant libertarian mind of the 20th century in Milton Friedman. So in my opinion the primary thing that made Reagan great was pursuing a Libertarian view of economics.
    Probably couldn't win the GOP Presidential primary today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southparkcpa View Post
    the libs are doing EVERYTHING they can to build up this stereotype but we as conservatives must oust the ultra religious from the party.
    Bullspit, the GOP wounds are self inflicted, libs dont even have to help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FF2 View Post
    Bullspit, the GOP wounds are self inflicted, libs dont even have to help.
    They don't have to.

    But they certainly do.

    Understandably so. They want to win too.

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