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Thread: Are the era of long big contracts coming to an end ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaSteve View Post
    Already has in half of North America..
    LOL

    They did a poll before the lockout ended and 62% of canadiens didn't even give a sh*t if the entire hockey season was cancelled.

    No sport is passing football in America. At least not within our lifetimes, as McGinley said.

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    the current rate of pay increases for star players cannot stay on this exponential track. Sooner or later something's gotta give. Just imagine 20 years ago what Deion Sanders was making, now Revis wants to make how many times that???

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetsCrazey View Post
    the current rate of pay increases for star players cannot stay on this exponential track. Sooner or later something's gotta give. Just imagine 20 years ago what Deion Sanders was making, now Revis wants to make how many times that???
    Ever heard of the term capitalism?

    Flame begin.

    I know it's not a topic that should be discussed on a football forum, but your example (Revis/Sanders) clearly shows what's wrong with our world. Global banking, interest rates, the rich stealing from the poor... but that's ok. Like that Goldman-Sachs dude once said... "as long as we grow, there's no recession". WTF?!? It's a shame that most people, at least the uneducated, don't understand that.

    Flame end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunnie View Post
    Never say never ... Violence grew the NFL ... And the changes to that culture have been swift and dramatic.
    Violence didnt grow the NFL, gambling (not just bookie and sportsbook betting but office pools and the such) and fantasy football have helped grow the game.

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    Long Term Contracts were always more myth than fact. The average NFL career is only 3 and 1/2 years. This has been a constant since the late 1950's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chadderton View Post
    Ever heard of the term capitalism?

    Flame begin.

    I know it's not a topic that should be discussed on a football forum, but your example (Revis/Sanders) clearly shows what's wrong with our world. Global banking, interest rates, the rich stealing from the poor... but that's ok. Like that Goldman-Sachs dude once said... "as long as we grow, there's no recession". WTF?!? It's a shame that most people, at least the uneducated, don't understand that.

    Flame end.
    You might want to consider relocating to Pyongyang.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    The era of good NFL football is going away along with it will be people willing to spend huge bucks on the NFL. Contracts will come down and teams will go away.
    This statement is beyond ridiculous. The NFL has never been more popular than it is today. Baseball, Basketball and Hockey?? aren't in the same universe. The rise of fantasy sports betting is actually increasing the popularity of the NFL exponentially. That reality is not changing anytime soon. You might not like the new rules and less violent nature of the game but that's not why people watch. The ratings and popularity of football will continue to grow. The alternate sports like Baseball and Basketball don't hold a candle to Football and they never will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatsFanTX View Post
    You might want to consider relocating to Pyongyang.
    LOL..Capitalism is always bad until it benefits oneself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chadderton View Post
    Ever heard of the term capitalism?

    Flame begin.

    I know it's not a topic that should be discussed on a football forum, but your example (Revis/Sanders) clearly shows what's wrong with our world. Global banking, interest rates, the rich stealing from the poor... but that's ok. Like that Goldman-Sachs dude once said... "as long as we grow, there's no recession". WTF?!? It's a shame that most people, at least the uneducated, don't understand that.

    Flame end.
    Huh? What the hell are you talking about? The Salary cap has been stagnant for the past few years since the lockout. In the past it had gone up regularly. When the cap goes up each year salaries rise in conjunction. Teams got used to that reality. Now that the cap is stagnant teams need to adjust.

    I'm not sure what any of it has to do with Goldman Sachs or Global banking. Perhaps you can enlighten us. Particularly let us know what it is that you were referring to that "uneducated people" don't understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chadderton View Post
    Ever heard of the term capitalism?

    Flame begin.

    I know it's not a topic that should be discussed on a football forum, but your example (Revis/Sanders) clearly shows what's wrong with our world. Global banking, interest rates, the rich stealing from the poor... but that's ok. Like that Goldman-Sachs dude once said... "as long as we grow, there's no recession". WTF?!? It's a shame that most people, at least the uneducated, don't understand that.

    Flame end.
    I'm not even remotely sure what you are going for.

    The Super Bowl was still among the most watched Super Bowls (by ratings) of all time.

    Baseball contracts, despite becoming less and less popular have gone up steadily for the last 30 years. The idea that football contracts wouldn't is silly.

    Is everyone ignoring the last TV contract?

    $5 Billion / Year for the next 8 years. A 60% increase over the previous contract. $150M per team, per year (I know it's not split up quite that simply, but just an idea). The NFL is the most attended sports league in the world. 20 of the top 30 sports franchises in the world are NFL teams.

    Will this change eventually, probably. The injuries and the parental fear will change that. But, the idea that long big contracts are going away is so silly, it defies logic.

    Baltimore doesn't want to give Flacco a long term deal because he's been the walking definition of average for the first 5 years of his career.

    Y/PA - 6.9 (League Average 2008 - 2013 6.9)
    Completion % - 60.5 (LA: 60.7%)
    TD % (TDs/Attempt) 4.1% - (LA 4.1%)
    QB Rating - 86.3 - (LA: 85.7)

    Yes, they went on a roll and won the SB this year. They also had one of the best RBs in football, solid TE, OL, and good receivers including a legit gamebreaker.

    Do you think he would sniff this kind of money if Denver doesn't let Torrey Smith beat them deep with 30 seconds to go? Baltimore is smart enough to recognize that, but pretending that it's a sign that contracts are different is silly.

    He's an average QB that caught fire in the playoffs. Baltimore knows it

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefst2000 View Post
    Huh? What the hell are you talking about? The Salary cap has been stagnant for the past few years since the lockout. In the past it had gone up regularly. When the cap goes up each year salaries rise in conjunction. Teams got used to that reality. Now that the cap is stagnant teams need to adjust.

    I'm not sure what any of it has to do with Goldman Sachs or Global banking. Perhaps you can enlighten us. Particularly let us know what it is that you were referring to that "uneducated people" don't understand.
    Salary Caps have remained the same, but high dollar player demands have still gone up. Each top tier player wants to outdo the last. Player Agents are not factoring in cap trends in their contract negotations at all. Revis wants more than Mario, Flacco wants top tier dollars. They don't care what salary cap trends have been or are going to be, and they will get what they want because some team will pay them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatsFanTX View Post
    You might want to consider relocating to Pyongyang.
    Don't you think there's a middle ground?

    Nothing to be discussed on a football forum, and I didn't want to come across as a douchebag. All I'm saying is this: The financial system as it works today CANNOT survive without continously growing on an exponential scale. That's a fact. However, continuous exponential growth doesn't match well with our planet's resources. Just think about where this world is in 100 years at the speed we're currently going. Like someone else said... capitalism is always bad unless you're on the right (wrong?) side.

    I'm European, so just give me the "soccer sucks, and GTFO!" speech, and I'll leave you alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chadderton View Post
    Don't you think there's a middle ground?

    Nothing to be discussed on a football forum, and I didn't want to come across as a douchebag. All I'm saying is this: The financial system as it works today CANNOT survive without continously growing on an exponential scale. That's a fact. However, continuous exponential growth doesn't match well with our planet's resources. Just think about where this world is in 100 years at the speed we're currently going. Like someone else said... capitalism is always bad unless you're on the right (wrong?) side.

    I'm European, so just give me the "soccer sucks, and GTFO!" speech, and I'll leave you alone.
    No problem at all.

    BTW, how is the Euro woking out for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chadderton View Post
    Don't you think there's a middle ground?

    Nothing to be discussed on a football forum, and I didn't want to come across as a douchebag. All I'm saying is this: The financial system as it works today CANNOT survive without continously growing on an exponential scale. That's a fact. However, continuous exponential growth doesn't match well with our planet's resources. Just think about where this world is in 100 years at the speed we're currently going. Like someone else said... capitalism is always bad unless you're on the right (wrong?) side.

    I'm European, so just give me the "soccer sucks, and GTFO!" speech, and I'll leave you alone.
    Then you know first hand how entitlements and socializing everything works for a country. We here in America do not want to become Europe, a bunch of lazy, self entitled people who expect their government to provide their every need.

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    Then you know first hand how entitlements and socializing everything works for a country. We here in America do not want to become Europe, a bunch of lazy, self entitled people who expect their government to provide their every need.
    You really think all Europeans are lazy and don't want to provide for themselves?

    You know... I practically grew up with friends (well, after 25+ years I consider them 'family') from the US who where stationed here in Germany with the Army. So I'd say I know both worlds. One of the things I've learned is that this type of prejudging attitude ("Europeans are lazy", "Amercians are stupid", "all muslims are terrorists", etc.) doesn't make this world a better place. Can we agree on that?

    But enough already, this is a football forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chadderton View Post
    You really think all Europeans are lazy and don't want to provide for themselves?

    You know... I practically grew up with friends (well, after 25+ years I consider them 'family') from the US who where stationed here in Germany with the Army. So I'd say I know both worlds. One of the things I've learned is that this type of prejudging attitude ("Europeans are lazy", "Amercians are stupid", "all muslims are terrorists", etc.) doesn't make this world a better place. Can we agree on that?

    But enough already, this is a football forum.
    That seems a bit odd coming from a guy who has "not a Chad loving homo" as his status on this website.

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    Are the era over? Is era plural?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sec.101row23 View Post
    That seems a bit odd coming from a guy who has "not a Chad loving homo" as his status on this website.
    I didn't even realize that was still my status.

    Man, I don't even know how long it has been since Chad was the QB and anybody who was trying to defend him (I actually wasn't by that time anymore!) was considered to be sucking on his... well... you know.

    You're right, the status might sound offensive. I'll change it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefst2000 View Post
    This statement is beyond ridiculous. The NFL has never been more popular than it is today. Baseball, Basketball and Hockey?? aren't in the same universe. The rise of fantasy sports betting is actually increasing the popularity of the NFL exponentially. That reality is not changing anytime soon. You might not like the new rules and less violent nature of the game but that's not why people watch. The ratings and popularity of football will continue to grow. The alternate sports like Baseball and Basketball don't hold a candle to Football and they never will.
    A huge portion of the regular season games are at the point of unwatchable and it's not just the Jets who suck. Ratings for 2012 were down 5% over 2011. Empty seats are becoming the norm for the NFL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snell41 View Post
    Salary Caps have remained the same, but high dollar player demands have still gone up. Each top tier player wants to outdo the last. Player Agents are not factoring in cap trends in their contract negotations at all. Revis wants more than Mario, Flacco wants top tier dollars. They don't care what salary cap trends have been or are going to be, and they will get what they want because some team will pay them.
    Free markets will always self correct. No one will offer Revis Mario money and if they do they will suffer in other areas. Teams that are run well won't overspend on a single player like that. The hard salary cap does not lend itself to large increases in average salaries. Its just a new phenomenon in the NFL and only now are teams adjusting to it.

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