This has been what I would call a 3i thread... informative, interesting and intelligent. I give it two thumbs up.
What I believe, and it is only my opinion- no more right or wrong than yours. is that Revis contract demands are so high that when combined with the price of a 1st rd pick is too rich. Especially in light that he is rehabbing from an injury.
If Revis was a FA I think He would get 13mill and 77 total a year. not the 96 mill that Williams got or the 92 million that Peppers got. (I Know I said 80 mil but 3 mill was given up from this years salary)
Revis at 80% is better than any of the guys that you could get in the middle of the 1st rd. No doubt about it. But is is Revis and 13 mill of cap room. For reference, take Minn picking 23 they could give that to the jets and get Revis. They have 16 mill in capspace and the 1st year hit will leave them with enough money to sign the rest of thier rookies , but no room to sign any of thier FA. Or they could draft Banks or Rhodes at 23 and use 11 mill to sign other FA, Is Revis better than banks, you bet. But is revis better than Banks and 3 other starters that they could get for that 11 mill of cap room?
Why i think it works for the jets to keep him is at least it gives the jet fans something to look forward to. The jets next year will have about 40 mill of cap room if they let Revis walk in FA. With that 40 mill they will buy more FA than they lose so there goes the comp pick from losing Revis. Add the 9 mill of cap room that it would cost to move him this year.
What I asked is that you find me the buyers for Revis willing to give 6 years and 77 mill and the #1 pick for the pleasure of doing so.
I don't understand your question on the Jones or JPP picks.
Last edited by patman; 02-17-2013 at 11:31 PM.
This has been what I would call a 3i thread... informative, interesting and intelligent. I give it two thumbs up.
Actually, i was thinking more along the Lines of the Bucs and their 13th pick. IMHO, no team needs a CB more than this team. The Bucs average almost 20 points per game scoring, yet couldn't stop a nose bleed so to speak. This team has a solid run defense, but if you can throw the ball, you can score against that team. If i am a young HC with my 1st NFL assignment looking to make a splash on the weakest part of my team, do i spend my 1st round pick on say the CB from Alabama or do i excite my team and it's fan base by adding a solid citizen with unquestionable character who happens to be the best player in the league at his position .
Revis might be worth atleast 1 TD to the Bucs which immediately improves their miserable pass defense and throws an assist to their offense.
As far as the JPP / Ziggy conversation goes, u made the comparrison along with some of the so-called experts , not me. If all the teams that didn't draft JPP knew what he was before hand, do u think they would have allowed him to get to the giants. In Ziggy Ansah you have a player who's new to the game yet is exhibiting extra ordinary play making ability. There's no evidence that the kid is a slacker off the field or on it. Everything checks out and the drills match the tape, so where do u take this player. I didn't make the comparrison
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Last edited by Tinstar; 02-18-2013 at 10:04 AM.
I have to say that I like this plan more than most. The Revis extension is solid numbers wise and the absolute correct decision. I also love the trade down and specifics on values for the trade.
Here are some areas which I would differ. I'm not in favor of Moore at QB. I'd rather trade a 4th or 5th rounder for Flynn. Also I would consider trading Cro for the right price (2nd Rounder) and picking up an additional 8 Million in cap space this and next season. I would also switch the #76 pick from the FB to one of the QB class that drops there. Maybe Manual or Bray.
All in all though a solid job here.
If you read my post to preclude questions like yours I took the top 200 players according to a draft site and I posted a link to the site so that fans would tell me thier choice with the guys available . Agreed, I don't know how they are going to come off the board and no one else does either.. By using a top 200 list the poster loses control over who is available just like the real draft- get it?
You see fans on this site taking CB Banks in the third! Where the consensus is that his is a borderline 1st.
As far as Revis value again it is Revis taking 13 mill of cap room or Milliner and 11 mill of cap room. Say William Moore and Goldson as Free agents making 6 mill a year.
It just comes down to do you want to allocate 12% of your cap to a CB. Do you have other critical players on your team coming up for FA, In the case of Minn, it is Jarred Allen, how is he going to feel about a guy coming in making 25% more than he is, or What about Von Miller in two years, he may want to be the highest paid.
Last edited by patman; 02-18-2013 at 11:10 AM.
I misread that description. I can get on board with a S at that spot. I use Tony's top 100 list for my mocks.
Tony has Banks as the 5th best CB and a mid second round talent. I don't think getting him at the top of the 3rd is wildly out of balance there as far as value goes.
I think the cost for Flynn is worthwhile. I am not of the mind that a team should ever go into a season without the potential to win games and compete for the playoffs or at worst develop a young QB. With Moore and your plan we are essentially doing none of those things. Flynn will cost a 4th or 5th rounder and is a cuttable player that has a high ceiling. We know Moore is no more than a stopgap/Jag type player. Is he better then Sanchez? Yes, but who isn't. Flynn has the potential to shine in the WCO and I think the reward is well worth a day 3 draft pick and 2 million more than Moore. I'd also be ok with a player like Matt Barclay to fill that role this season if he can be had with a mid 2nd round pick.
First of all, you really need to reconsider your fandom, being a fan of the Patriots is too easy, it's like been a Yankee, looking back at the bright lights in the rear view mirror of a great and glorious past. Being a Jets fan requires a certain neurosis ... and I think you are developing one.
Secondly I admit to having a bad memory retention of cap rooms etc but Tampa Bay has tons of room and a dire need at cb after trading that malcontent to the Pats ?
With the recent sound bite today from Revis it seems more and more like he will be playing in another uniform this summer. You are right that the Jets may not get a a quality picks as much as fans would like given the exorbitant money he is looking for. Unlike some of the other replies to your post I concur with you signing of Braylon at 2M (maybe includes easy to attain bonus connected to staying on the field), the aging Moore at OG and our kickers. I am not crazy about Folk but he is more consistent than what we've had, I don't want a rookie kicker ...
Neither am I a fan of Matt Moore but I understand at the money the Jets have to spend there is nothing but backup quality out there.
Nah, I was a season ticket holder in the 80s through all those 2-14 seasons besides the SB run in 85- I actually gave up my tickets in 93 when Kraft bought the team. I built may house and had my 2nd son, and my wife thought my tickets money could be better put to use on our house. Then lo and behold the playoffs every year but 4 since then.
Yes Tampa has plenty of money cap wise this year, but they have plenty of holes also. What I am saying that if I was a tampa fan I would rather have Millner at 13 and 2 of the 4 probowl safeties that are FA that you can get for 6 mill a piece. Go in FA and get Gary Williams, Cason, Jenkins any of those 6 mill a year guys on the other side. Millner, Williams, William Moore, Jaruis Byrd. Instant solution to the problem. At the same price as Williams and Revis by themselves.
I rather have 4 guys two of which are probowlers, making 22mill than two corners even if one of them is the best in the game. There are 4 guys running patterns and only one revis.
Last edited by patman; 02-18-2013 at 07:33 PM.
Your rationale is solid ... I can only hope as a Jet fan in favor of a trade that the Tampa GM wants to put some fannies in the seats in Tampa Bay with purportedly one of the best defensive players in the league playing back there. Presumably the standard of living is much lower in Tampa along with the fact that there are not as many corporations to buy company tickets - Revis might help sell tickets.
I don't get signing Edwards then drafting 2 WRs. Seems counter productive with so many bigger wholes. Let Edwards play in Canada and use the money on anther OLB. This is not my ideal scenario but it seems doable.
Right now you have Kerley and Hill. Holmes is recovering from Liz Franc and who knows if he will play the full year and most likely will be gone in 2014 anyway.
Then throw in that they are 5th and 7th rd picks so it does not make the investment steep. I picked two hoping one would be serviceable.
I have to give Sapp a shot.
Last edited by patman; 02-19-2013 at 07:46 PM.
Exactly. That's the major problem. Someone like Ziggy with his off the charts athleticism is not going to last till #22 with so many needy teams picking before that. This is a league where teams are constantly hunting for players who can give them a dominant edge and Ziggy's physical abilities has it in spades.
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