And coincidentally - how many OLBs have we drafted at the top end in the last 5 years? Zero...
It's a massive risk. It's like drafting guys to play Safety who've been corners their whole lives (hyperbole, but not really). Ansah is undevelopment, and oversized. It's all kind of concerning for me.
Last edited by Paradis; 03-07-2013 at 02:12 PM.
Stop talking about a 3-4 OLB having to play pass coverage. The great pass rushing OLBs in the NFL are rarely asked to drop into coverage: Suggs, Ware, Miller, Aldon Smith, Matthews, Dumervil, etc. A stud, pass rushing 3-4 OLB is more of a DE than an OLB.
Ziggy is at the top of my list. Followed by Dion Jordan. Id be disapointed if we dont walk away with one of these two guys
If we want the next adalius thomas, who rex can move around the formation, have cover TEs and run some zone-blitzes (away from his side) then the guy is jordan - we know he can do that as thats what he was asked to do in college.
If we want to find the next dominant passrusher, like suggs, who will play "OLB" but will actually be a DE, Ansah is the guy
@MoveTheSticks: Just watched 2 more tapes on Ziggy Ansah…He's going to benefit from staying at one spot. BYU moves him all over the place. Violent hands!
@MoveTheSticks: Dion Jordan and Ziggy Ansah have different skill sets. Jordan-smooth and slithery while Ansah is more of a herky/jerky athlete with power
@MoveTheSticks: I think Ansah is a better fit for DET's scheme. He can use the runway from the "wide 9" to convert speed to power. #Ziggy #DionJordan
@MoveTheSticks: I think Dion Jordan makes a lot of sense for the Jaguars. Perfect scheme fit.
Last edited by C Mart; 03-17-2013 at 04:33 PM.
It came from the fact that in Rex's defense, he has one OLB that basically plays DE. Look at how much pace and before that suggs played in a 3 point stance.
It came from the fact that true 3-4 OLBs, whether they stand up or are down on the line need to be very strong and powerful to hold the edge as there is no OLB behind/outside them. 4-3 ends, can rely more on speed as their is another LB outside them.
I dont know if ansah is the right guy for our defense, but to say he has no chance at playing that role is ridiculous.
Let the church say amen.
I have no idea why Jet fans haven't figured out that Rex Ryan's multi-scheme defense incorporates OLBers who play like 43 DEs. All they do is play zone defense set the edge against the run and attack the QB when the down and distance allows it. The key to the Jets defense is putting the offense in 2nd and 3rd and long. In other words, setting the edge, forcing the running back towards the NT and inside backers and making the plays. If we have skinny outside Linebackers like Mingo, that goes out the window.
Ezekiel "Ziggy" Ansah, DE, BYU
Ansah was part of a group of defensive ends picked out to practice linebacker techniques at the NFL Scouting Combine, and it was just unbelievable how well he mastered dropping into space and reacting to the ball. This versatility just boosts his long-term potential. He'll do equally well whether he's working as an outside linebacker for a 3-4 defense or as a defensive end in a 4-3. The Ghana native's story is already amazing, given how little football experience he has; multiple Pro Bowl appearances will simply make it more so.
Rushing the passer behind Coples, Wilks, Ellis/Garray/Harrison up front should give OC's and qb's fits. If you want someone to focus on the core role of qb killer then Jones is the dude.
As for the 3-4 OLB comments, (and our defense is completely different from Pitts) but is james harrison "loose"? No, hes strong as hell.
Von Miller is a great 3-4 OLB because of his ability to bend the edge, but also because he is strong enough to not be overrun vs the run.
95% of jet fans think pace and BT sucked, but they forget that those guys helped propel the defense to top 10 rankings multiple times without getting great sack numbers - because the position on Rex's defense values strength over speed.
Ansah happens to have both, plus the athletic ability to compete in todays NFL and track down bubble screens, etc.
This "looseness" and "fluidity in coverage" is not what we would draft with ansah, we would draft out version of terrell suggs. If we take dion jordan, he will play an COMPLETELY different role, more like adalius thomas did - move him around, blitz, cover etc while we have someone like mcintyre hopefully set the edge in the "suggs role".
I'm firmly part of this team;
4-3 end, no 3-4 at all.
Not fluid enough for OLB, will not be strong enough for 3-4 DE, not worth the risk beefing a player up like that for a position he might not fit as.Don't like him as an OLB. I do think he could be a pretty good 3-4 DE if he puts on some weight.I don't see how Ansah is a 3-4 anything unless he is impressive as a pass defender and quickness department at the combine (which I don't see happening). I also have concerns with Jordan playing DE in any scheme. He is just too thin and won't anchor well on the line. He needs space.
Really just trying to guage why so many people think he ll be a great 3-4OLB, while hes very athletic from all the tape ive watched (and ive watched A LOT) he looks horrible in space and looks more like A StrongSide LDE for the 4-3 and nothing more.Could he adopt a role like BT, as you put it, or Thomas? Maybe... But I just don't see #9 overall talent at OLB there. I've watched him. He's played at 2nd round level thus far. He was average at best against ND. He's got 1st round potential, and the heart to do it, so I get the love. He worked out surprisingly well in linebacker drills. Again, adds to his "potential" resume. That's just not what we need ATM.Have you seen his tape? He lined up more at 34DE and Sometimes NT for them more then OLB, people act like his athleticism will translate to OLB but it wont
Irvin (regardless of what system he plays in) is physically the embodiment of the PRS that everyone is clamouring for. Maybe you're not, maybe you're looking at Ansah in more realistic "where he'll actually fit in" kind of way. Jones is that kind of guy too. Unfortunately, he's got that asterisk next to his name. As does Jordan. As does Ansah. As does Mingo, etc etc. Moore was almost the answer, until sh*t the bed.
To put it simply, he's worth more to a team in need of a full time 40 front DE. We don't need another project at OLB right now. For what this team needs, he's got a 2nd round grade in my books.
Last edited by Paradis; 03-17-2013 at 10:01 PM.
Let's take a moment (everyone) to watch him here. I didn't chose his worst game. I'm just giving this some stock footage.
Where in here do you get impression that he has speed and burst to coming crashing off the edge? Or the the ability to change directions, chase down screens? Play in any kind of coverage... LOOK AT HIM! He's a DE! Built like one, plays like one.
More so than that, an untrained eye can tell he's got a ways to go. It's not the end of the world, it's just the way it is... And we're gonna stand him up and get him to hold down one of the most instinctual positions on the defense??
Conversely, watch Jones here;
Watch how much ground he covers. How he reads the play. He moves across the block. How he commands the blitz read. In space, he looks comfortable, quick. Fluid. He slices through the line.
I don't know how else to paint it. It's worlds apart.