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    maniSH!T is at it again re: Revis/Jets

    Please keep in mind that they had no scheduled meeting and this story is pure conjecture.

    NY Jets brass including owner Woody Johnson, snubs Darrelle Revis' agents at NFL scouting combine in major sign star CB may not return

    The brushoff, which new GM John Izdik and Rex Ryan were also involved in, comes one month after reports surfaced that Johnson wanted the Jets to explore all options involving Revis — who can become an unrestricted free agent after this season — including trading him.

    INDIANAPOLIS — During a week in which team executives and agents huddled at seemingly every Starbucks, hotel lounge and restaurant in Indianapolis to talk shop at the NFL Scouting Combine, Jet brass avoided the Darrelle Revis camp, failing to meet with his representatives and raising the question of whether owner Woody Johnson wants to re-sign the All-Pro cornerback.

    The Daily News has learned that the Jets’ contingent, which included GM John Idzik, Rex Ryan and Johnson himself, didn’t meet or contact Revis’ representatives during the combine, fueling speculation that Johnson simply doesn’t want to pay the Pro Bowl cornerback as the team enters a rebuilding phase in 2013.

    The brushoff comes one month after reports surfaced that Johnson wanted the Jets to explore all options involving Revis — who can become an unrestricted free agent after this season — including trading him.

    The two camps are separated by three-tenths of a mile. The walk from the downtown J.W. Marriott, where the Jets brass is based, to the Westin, where Revis’ agents are staying, takes six minutes.

    Idzik & Co. met with representatives of Santonio Holmes, Dustin Keller, Jeff Cumberland, Austin Howard, Shonn Greene and LaRon Landry during the week, but elected not to talk to Revis’ agents.

    A team spokesman declined to say whether Johnson and/or Idzik had met with Revis’ reps.

    Revis’ agent, Neil Schwartz, confirmed that he was in Indianapolis for five days with partner Jonathan Feinsod before they left town on Monday, but he also declined comment about whether they had met with Idzik or Johnson.

    One NFC executive told The News that there is a sentiment around the league that Johnson not only isn’t interested in making Revis the highest-paid defensive player in the league, which would mean a salary of around $16 million per year, but that the owner doesn’t want to sign the cornerback to a lucrative long-term deal at all given the dire state of the franchise.

    The cap-strapped Jets do not figure to be in the playoff conversation entering the 2013 season. They aren’t likely to make a splash when free agency opens next month either, as they quietly try to rebuild with younger, cheaper players.

    Johnson appears to have prioritized paper green over Gang Green for the 2013 season, which would not sit well with disillusioned PSL holders at MetLife Stadium.

    The organization’s handling of the Revis situation is the most puzzling of all.

    A source told The News that Idzik hasn’t opened the lines of communication with Revis’ representatives since he was hired a month ago.

    Idzik's phone call to Revis last month only lasted a few minutes and appears to be a transparent attempt at damage control in the wake of reports that Johnson wanted the Jets to explore all avenues involving Revis as he rehabs from a season-ending torn left ACL suffered last October.

    Last week, Idzik wouldn’t divulge whether he had scheduled a meeting with the Revis camp to discuss a possible contract extension or if he was even interested in a long-term investment. Per terms of his contract, Revis will reach unrestricted free agency after 2013 if he doesn’t skip any mandatory offseason team activities. Otherwise, he’s tied to the Jets for three more years.

    Idzik has spent the better part of his first month on the job creating a strategy to clean up the mess left by former GM Mike Tannenbaum, but his decision to not even discuss the Revis situation with his agents at an event tailor-made for such talks is surprising.

    The organizational narrative toward Revis has drastically changed in recent months. It wasn’t long ago when Jets brass was spouting that it wanted Revis to be a “Jet for Life.” His reworked contract before the 2010 season was supposed to be a bridge to a long-term deal to keep him in Green for the rest of his career.

    Revis’ season-ending knee injury complicated matters, but he remains ahead of his rehab schedule and is expected to be ready for the start of training camp.

    Although Revis is coming off that significant injury, he holds a fair amount of leverage if the Jets are contemplating trading him.

    Any team interested in dealing for Revis, who is scheduled to earn $6 million ($3 million base salary plus $3 million in three separate bonuses) in 2013, would want to come to terms on a long-term contract with him before pulling the trigger on a trade. Revis, therefore, can control where he would go in what essentially amounts to a no-trade clause.

    Ryan said last week that the Jets have not had internal discussions about trading Revis. The Jets’ cap hit would jump from $9 million to $12 million if Revis is dealt.

    Because he hasn’t been on the field since the surgery, Gang Green wouldn’t be expected to get anything close to fair market value before Revis is due a $1 million roster bonus on the third day of the new league year (March 15). The Jets likely would not get fair compensation before the draft in April, either.

    If Revis plays out the fourth year of his $46 million pact, the Jets would incur a $9 million cap charge for 2014. More importantly, Revis would reach unrestricted free agency — he can’t be given the franchise tag per terms of his contract. He could then potentially haunt Johnson by playing for the Patriots or Giants.

    A league source said that it was a red herring to suggest that a lucrative long-term contract for Revis could cripple the Jets’ salary cap for years. A six-year contract extension, for example, with a significant signing bonus and relatively small base salaries each season, would spread the cap hits out to manageable amounts.

    However, it looks like Johnson isn’t willing to dole out the cash for a player who has said he wants to play for the Jets, a team that has missed the playoffs the past two years, changed half of its coaching staff this offseason and asked a new GM to inherit a head coach who will be on the hot seat entering 2013.

    Revis has told friends that he wants to help the troubled franchise reverse course rather than go elsewhere.

    The Jets used to tell Revis that he wanted him to be their version of Derek Jeter.

    Now, they’re not telling him much of anything.

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    Even NFL network is calling out manish AKA bagdad bob

    While the media generally pump the breaks on the significance of teams meeting with agents at the combine, the Daily News report flips that script, speculating that Johnson would rather not pay his star defensive back.

    we think some people are reading too much into the team's top execs rooming three-tenths of a mile from Revis' agent in Indianapolis and not arranging a meeting. They are always just a phone call away, which is zero-tenths of a mile.
    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...lle-revis-reps

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    The Daily "News", Post and most of the media outlets in this area that cover sports are little more then gossip pages anyway. Substance? You are better off reading national publications like Pro Football Weekly.

    What is an interesting story angle that will not get play from the media is the fact that you have one of the greatest players in the history of the sport in Tom Brady restructuring his contract to make it very cap friendly for his team so they can make the team better. And then contrast that with Darrell Revis who won't leave a nickle on the table.

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    To be fair, he's gotta write SOMETHING. We know Girlish is a hack, but that's basically what his job is. To hell with facts and actual news.

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    A league source said that it was a red herring to suggest that a lucrative long-term contract for Revis could cripple the Jets’ salary cap for years. A six-year contract extension, for example, with a significant signing bonus and relatively small base salaries each season, would spread the cap hits out to manageable amounts.
    This makes no sense. If Revis wants $15M/ Year, then it has to show up in the cap somehow. A signifcant singing bonus simply means that instead of a large cap hit coming in 2013, it's spread out until 2018 (or it escalates if he is cut at some point)

    If Revis plays out the fourth year of his $46 million pact, the Jets would incur a $9 million cap charge for 2014. More importantly, Revis would reach unrestricted free agency — he can’t be given the franchise tag per terms of his contract. He could then potentially haunt Johnson by playing for the Patriots or Giants.
    1. The first part makes no sense either. If Revis reaches unrestricted Free Agency, how would he also incur a $9M cap charge. Maybe I don't understand the Revis contract, as I know the last 3 years are voided, but how would a Free Agent ever count against the cap

    2. "potentially hurt Johnson by playing for the Patriots or Giants" well, okay, or the other 29 teams in the league.

    Idzik & Co. met with representatives of Santonio Holmes, Dustin Keller, Jeff Cumberland, Austin Howard, Shonn Greene and LaRon Landry during the week, but elected not to talk to Revis’ agents.
    With the exception of Holmes, all of those guys are actually Free Agents. They are reaching out to Holmes to restructure his contract.

    Johnson appears to have prioritized paper green over Gang Green for the 2013 season, which would not sit well with disillusioned PSL holders at MetLife Stadium.
    Again, it seems like Johnson is thinking that signing Revis for a contract that would be more than 12% against the cap doesn't seem prudent. Even if you think Revis deserves it, it's not like it's a totally illogical stance

    The Jets used to tell Revis that he wanted him to be their version of Derek Jeter.


    Jeter's Yankees won 4 world series in his first 5 seasons and Jeter is the unquestioned leader of the team. Revis, to this point, has never been a "leader" and the Jets have won 4 playoff games in his first 5 seasons. The comparison makes little sense to me.

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    The Jets used to tell Revis that he wanted him to be their version of Derek Jeter.

    Jeter plays short stop. Revis doesn't play short stop. He plays right field. If you're going to play right field you need to hit home runs. Revis doesn't hit home runs.

    He also says we won't get proper compensation because he's injured, but on the other hand we should go a head and commit to a 6 year guaranteed deal even though he's injured.

    Manish is a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intelligentjetsfan View Post
    What is an interesting story angle that will not get play from the media is the fact that you have one of the greatest players in the history of the sport in Tom Brady restructuring his contract to make it very cap friendly for his team so they can make the team better. And then contrast that with Darrell Revis who won't leave a nickle on the table.
    Next year, Mr. & Mrs. Brady will have a combined annual salary of $49MM.

    What does Mrs. Revis bring to the table?

    What Brady did will have absolutely no bearing on what Revis will do, and rightfully so.

    Totally different situations.

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    [QUOTE=Batmans A Scientist;4820365]This makes no sense. If Revis wants $15M/ Year, then it has to show up in the cap somehow. A signifcant singing bonus simply means that instead of a large cap hit coming in 2013, it's spread out until 2018 (or it escalates if he is cut at some point)



    1. The first part makes no sense either. If Revis reaches unrestricted Free Agency, how would he also incur a $9M cap charge. Maybe I don't understand the Revis contract, as I know the last 3 years are voided, but how would a Free Agent ever count against the cap

    Because Tanny in order to keep the cap number low added these voidable years to the end of the contract in order to spread out the SB amortization over more years so instead of taking a 6 mill SB proration every year by adding on the voidable years allowed it to drop the yearly allocation to 3mill.
    So there is 9 mill (3 years X 3 mill per) of amortization that comes due when the contract is voided


    I think the premise of the article is right, The OP questioned Manish take since it was not like either the jets or the agents didn't schedule a meeting not having one is not news. My take is that it is news, why didn't the meet? The guy is a FA at the end of the year and they are not meeting with his agents? That is out of the ordinary and Manish mentioned the other players (agents) in a similar situation had all met with the jets.

    What I don't like is that he did not call the agents to determine to see if they were the ones that did not want to meet. I know it sounds stupid for them not to but the loop should have been closed. It could have just been a scheduling conflict.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Batmans A Scientist View Post
    1. The first part makes no sense either. If Revis reaches unrestricted Free Agency, how would he also incur a $9M cap charge. Maybe I don't understand the Revis contract, as I know the last 3 years are voided, but how would a Free Agent ever count against the cap
    Revis's upfront SB/OB money was amortized over the life of the contract - 7 years (which is amortized over 6 years, as per CBA rules, I believe) - which was $18m in total. But, he has the ability to void the deal. So, that money that was allocated to 2014, 2015 and 16' - which amounts to $3m/yr has to go somewhere. That "somewhere" is acclerated into the 2014 cap if/when he leaves.

    This is another of Tanny's somewhat short sighted deals. This band aid deal was structured to be re-worked this off season. But, because of the impending cap hit and the inability of the Jets to franchise Revis, it gives the Jets no leverage at all. Even with his injury - Revis can pretty much dictate the negotiations. He can demand $15m/yr from the Jets or have unfettered access to FA. That's a pretty good situation to be in, even after coming off an injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatsFanTX View Post
    Next year, Mr. & Mrs. Brady will have a combined annual salary of $49MM.

    What does Mrs. Revis bring to the table?

    What Brady did will have absolutely no bearing on what Revis will do, and rightfully so.

    Totally different situations.
    They are different but that still doesn't mean Revis has to squeeze every last dime out of the Jets. The extra 2 or 3 million he could leave on table will make a big difference signing others. Its not like he is playing on a minumum contract as it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatriotReign View Post
    They are different but that still doesn't mean Revis has to squeeze every last dime out of the Jets. The extra 2 or 3 million he could leave on table will make a big difference signing others. Its not like he is playing on a minumum contract as it is.
    Good point, an extra 2 or 3 million whould significantly help the Jets.

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    PFT is taking the Manish angle on this stating that the fact that there was no meeting means the Jets were working hard to "Avoid" Revis' agent! What BS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 20andout View Post
    PFT is taking the Manish angle on this stating that the fact that there was no meeting means the Jets were working hard to "Avoid" Revis' agent! What BS!
    Exactly. Why isn't it just "they didn't meet". Why "avoid"? Man-sh1t wants the jets to seem like a bumbling mess, and PFT the same.

    It is INFURIATING to have media cover your favorite team who spin everything to cast them in the light as fools. When do the Jets step up and revoke little man-sh1t's access?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NY's stepchild View Post
    Revis doesn't play short stop. He plays right field. If you're going to play right field you need to hit home runs. Revis doesn't hit home runs.
    This is the kind of analysis you can't get anywhere other than JI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatsFanTX View Post
    Next year, Mr. & Mrs. Brady will have a combined annual salary of $49MM.

    What does Mrs. Revis bring to the table?

    What Brady did will have absolutely no bearing on what Revis will do, and rightfully so.

    Totally different situations.
    Mrs. Brady's salary does not count against the Patriots' cap situation.

    The Revis and Brady contracts are important because you have one player who is willing to leave a few dollars on the table for the betterment of the team while the other won't leave a nickle on the table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McGinley View Post
    To be fair, he's gotta write SOMETHING. We know Girlish is a hack, but that's basically what his job is. To hell with facts and actual news.
    These are the people that form the public perception of the team. He shouldn't be cut any slack when they repeatedly whore themselves to hurt the team, in this case our best player, for their own gain. It wouldn't be so bad if people understood this, but half our fan base and all the TV shows take this as real info when it's pure drivel and then call the Jets a laughing stock. They create the circus. I'm pretty sure most teams are below are win total in the last 4 years but you don't hear much about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FF2® View Post
    This is the kind of analysis you can't get anywhere other than JI.
    LMAO...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatriotReign View Post
    They are different but that still doesn't mean Revis has to squeeze every last dime out of the Jets. The extra 2 or 3 million he could leave on table will make a big difference signing others. Its not like he is playing on a minumum contract as it is.
    There's the difference. No one is suggesting that Revis should take $5m/yr. He should rightfully be the highest paid CB - he certainly deserves that.

    But, Revis's track record thus far (and I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt - I haven't seen him make any demands this time around....yet) is that he feels the need to be validated by making an historic contract. Being filthy rich isn't enough - if he doesn't get in the stratosphere of what other marquee players get, he thinks he's being snubbed.

    Brady, OTOH, doesn't need a contract to substantiate his worth. He wants another ring.

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    The second i read the headline, i knew it was Mehta. He's the master at making a story out of nothing. I know this guy has to write about something but does he really think Jet fans are idiots?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greensleeves View Post
    These are the people that form the public perception of the team. He shouldn't be cut any slack when they repeatedly whore themselves to hurt the team, in this case our best player, for their own gain. It wouldn't be so bad if people understood this, but half our fan base and all the TV shows take this as real info when it's pure drivel and then call the Jets a laughing stock. They create the circus. I'm pretty sure most teams are below are win total in the last 4 years but you don't hear much about them.
    This, 100%.

    No other pro team, perhaps in history, has to fight a battle agaonst its own media for FAIR coverage. I'm not asking for homerism. Just be objective. The Jets didn't wear fake mpustaches to AVOID revis' agents. They just didn't meet. So report: THEY DID NOT MEET.

    50% of jets fans and 99% of NFL fans just go by the headlines, and they see "avoid" and it's another feather in their cap.

    Everywhere i go in this country, "oh you're a jets fan? They're a joke, I'm sorry for you". With four playoff wins the last four years. WE'RE the joke? It's because of the B.S. our own media creates.

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