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    Quote Originally Posted by Nike View Post
    harris is a ilb and davis and mcintyre olbs what am i missing. harris can easily adapt to mlb in the 4-3 scheme.
    McIntyre is way too slow to play OLB in a 4-3. They'd move him to DE.

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    Harris may not be your prototypical MLB but he may have enough speed if they upgrade the other OLB spot taking into consideration Davis gets the 2nd OLB spot.

    You also need to realize last year with Scott and Pace being invisible and with Pouha routinely getting pushed to the 2nd level there was an awful lot of traffic clogging up the middle of the field, Harris had to fight through as much of his own players as the opposition. Adding speed on the outside and giving Harris some breathing room may be just what the dr. ordered for his game. In addition an extra lineman up front gives the LBers a little more protection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Jerzey Jet View Post
    wow

    mcintyre is not a starter in the nfl, have u seen him play in space? lmao
    at best he's a situational pass rusher not a LB

    harris is not a 43 LB..doesn't really fit inside or outside hes just too slow in space..he would have to sub out on passing downs
    based on the cap id say hes all we can afford. did you by chance see pace and thomas play the last 2 seasons. way slower than mcintyre.

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    This is an evaluation of Terrell Suggs from Pro Football Focus, who plays the same hybrid role that pace did (sad comparison if you are a jet fan).

    At Pro Football Focus, on any given snap, we define defensive linemen as someone who has their hand on the ground when the ball is snapped. Using this definition, 54% of Suggs snaps came as a defensive end when there were four defensive linemen, and another 23% came as a defensive end with just three or fewer defensive linemen.

    On the other hand, he lined up 17% as an outside linebacker when there were four linebackers, and just 4% of his time came as a linebacker with three linebackers or less on the field. If you’re doing the math, you’ll notice that those percentages don’t add up to 100 – the rest of his playing time came in odd snaps as a defensive tackle, middle linebacker, or linebacker playing in the slot.

    Suggs played as a defensive end three times as much as he played outside linebacker.

    However, while we strongly believe he should be considered a defensive end, there is one aspect of his play that is more linebacker-like. Typically, defensive linemen are substituted in and out of games to keep them fresh or to take advantage of a situation. Top linebackers, on the other hand, often play every down or close to it. Suggs played in 98.3% of the Ravens’ defensive snaps this year.


    Looking at these numbers, Suggs lined up as a DE with his hand on the ground 77% of the time. He also played a little DT along with about 1 in every 5 snaps as an OLB standing up.

    Given those %, and the fact that coples, wilkerson and even ellis are all better suited to a 3-4, there is no reason at all to "change" our philosophy. Furthermore, when looking at the draft, Ansahs size/strength combination as a “projected 4-3 DE” is actually a perfect fit for the hybrid role we would need him to play.

    He can line up as a DE with those 2 as an athletic 3 man line. He can be a “4th Dlineman” if we bring ellis/NT in. Or he can play off the line and use his athleticism and height to clog passing lanes in space as an OLB.

    No need to change our philosophy as it is ever changing as it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglenj View Post
    This is an evaluation of Terrell Suggs from Pro Football Focus, who plays the same hybrid role that pace did (sad comparison if you are a jet fan).

    At Pro Football Focus, on any given snap, we define defensive linemen as someone who has their hand on the ground when the ball is snapped. Using this definition, 54% of Suggs snaps came as a defensive end when there were four defensive linemen, and another 23% came as a defensive end with just three or fewer defensive linemen.

    On the other hand, he lined up 17% as an outside linebacker when there were four linebackers, and just 4% of his time came as a linebacker with three linebackers or less on the field. If you’re doing the math, you’ll notice that those percentages don’t add up to 100 – the rest of his playing time came in odd snaps as a defensive tackle, middle linebacker, or linebacker playing in the slot.

    Suggs played as a defensive end three times as much as he played outside linebacker.

    However, while we strongly believe he should be considered a defensive end, there is one aspect of his play that is more linebacker-like. Typically, defensive linemen are substituted in and out of games to keep them fresh or to take advantage of a situation. Top linebackers, on the other hand, often play every down or close to it. Suggs played in 98.3% of the Ravens’ defensive snaps this year.

    Looking at these numbers, Suggs lined up as a DE with his hand on the ground 77% of the time. He also played a little DT along with about 1 in every 5 snaps as an OLB standing up.

    Given those %, and the fact that coples, wilkerson and even ellis are all better suited to a 3-4, there is no reason at all to "change" our philosophy. Furthermore, when looking at the draft, Ansahs size/strength combination as a “projected 4-3 DE” is actually a perfect fit for the hybrid role we would need him to play.

    He can line up as a DE with those 2 as an athletic 3 man line. He can be a “4th Dlineman” if we bring ellis/NT in. Or he can play off the line and use his athleticism and height to clog passing lanes in space as an OLB.

    No need to change our philosophy as it is ever changing as it is.
    the jets signed terrell suggs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nike View Post
    the jets signed terrell suggs?
    Hey thanks for the input in the thread, excellent analysis, glad to have ya here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglenj View Post
    Hey thanks for the input in the thread, excellent analysis, glad to have ya here.
    np but how the hell can you compare another teams player to whats here and try to compare our players and defensive schemes and they way he lines up when he doesnt play for the jets.

    the jets need to utilize what they've got to the best of their respective ability.

    tom brady is a helluva qb he throws a nice pass and makes great decisions. hes also married to a hottie. just thought id add that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglenj View Post
    This is an evaluation of Terrell Suggs from Pro Football Focus, who plays the same hybrid role that pace did (sad comparison if you are a jet fan).

    At Pro Football Focus, on any given snap, we define defensive linemen as someone who has their hand on the ground when the ball is snapped. Using this definition, 54% of Suggs snaps came as a defensive end when there were four defensive linemen, and another 23% came as a defensive end with just three or fewer defensive linemen.

    On the other hand, he lined up 17% as an outside linebacker when there were four linebackers, and just 4% of his time came as a linebacker with three linebackers or less on the field. If you’re doing the math, you’ll notice that those percentages don’t add up to 100 – the rest of his playing time came in odd snaps as a defensive tackle, middle linebacker, or linebacker playing in the slot.

    Suggs played as a defensive end three times as much as he played outside linebacker.

    However, while we strongly believe he should be considered a defensive end, there is one aspect of his play that is more linebacker-like. Typically, defensive linemen are substituted in and out of games to keep them fresh or to take advantage of a situation. Top linebackers, on the other hand, often play every down or close to it. Suggs played in 98.3% of the Ravens’ defensive snaps this year.


    Looking at these numbers, Suggs lined up as a DE with his hand on the ground 77% of the time. He also played a little DT along with about 1 in every 5 snaps as an OLB standing up.

    Given those %, and the fact that coples, wilkerson and even ellis are all better suited to a 3-4, there is no reason at all to "change" our philosophy. Furthermore, when looking at the draft, Ansahs size/strength combination as a “projected 4-3 DE” is actually a perfect fit for the hybrid role we would need him to play.

    He can line up as a DE with those 2 as an athletic 3 man line. He can be a “4th Dlineman” if we bring ellis/NT in. Or he can play off the line and use his athleticism and height to clog passing lanes in space as an OLB.

    No need to change our philosophy as it is ever changing as it is.
    Good points. As much as everyone thinks that the player in that "Suggs" role needs to be able to play in space and cover guys, the reality is that he needs to be able rush the passer and play the run first and foremost. Which is why guys like Mingo and Jordan could be huge risks if they are not able to get to the QB at under 250lbs. Ansah is the perfect blend of size and speed for that position, he is just raw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palmetto defender View Post
    Coples stats stink. I do not not care about last years draft. He compares how to every other player in the league? That's what counts.
    Wilkerson is a jag.
    Will people here please stop being homers and be objective.
    Why, "The Sanchize will be supurb. It unfair to compare him to more experienced players". Right.
    And Keller is an all pro. And Harris is a star. And the 'War Wagon" is going to terrorize.
    There are two really good players on the Jets. Mangold and Revis. Cromartie is close. And who knows if Revis is the same. And no silly discusions about Adrian Peterson's injury. Different people. Peterson is the NFL MVP. Revis has yet to be a DPOY.
    You do know that wilkerson graded out as having one of the best seasons a 3-4 end has ever had? Unfortunately he did it the same year that watt was even better.

    Also as far as coples, you should try actually watching the games and seeing how coples got more and more disruptive as the year wore on.

    You rip the "Jet homers" but you are no better....you want every draft pick to be aldon smith. 3-4 End has a lot of nuances to it, and it takes time. Coples had an excellent first year at the position and will only get better.

    Lastly whoever thinks harris is fast enough to be a 4-3 MLB is GROSSLY overrating him. He isnt fast enough with another ILB out there, if he has to play sideline to sideline we are in serious trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nike View Post
    np but how the hell can you compare another teams player to whats here and try to compare our players and defensive schemes and they way he lines up when he doesnt play for the jets.

    the jets need to utilize what they've got to the best of their respective ability.

    tom brady is a helluva qb he throws a nice pass and makes great decisions. hes also married to a hottie. just thought id add that.
    You clearly missed the entire point he was making.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nike View Post
    np but how the hell can you compare another teams player to whats here and try to compare our players and defensive schemes and they way he lines up when he doesnt play for the jets.

    the jets need to utilize what they've got to the best of their respective ability.

    tom brady is a helluva qb he throws a nice pass and makes great decisions. hes also married to a hottie. just thought id add that.
    Um how about because the Ravens run virtually the same scheme that we do?

    We dont play a traditional 3-4 like the steelers do, and if you think we do, try to find the % of snaps that both Pace and BT have been standing up in a 2 point stance.

    We play a hyrbid scheme that rex learned and developed in Baltimore and that they kept after he left....that is why the comparison makes complete sense.

    Sweet analogy to brady btw

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    Quote Originally Posted by sec.101row23 View Post
    You clearly missed the entire point he was making.
    Hence why you should put him on your ignore list. He's clueless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rexipus Rex View Post
    Hence why you should put him on your ignore list. He's clueless.
    LOL..I honestly do not even know how to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palmetto defender View Post
    Wilkerson is not quick enough to be an elite pass rusher and Coples is not good enough period. Stay 3-4 go get OLBs.
    What are you basing this on?


    Because it's completely asinine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palmetto defender View Post
    Coples stats stink. I do not not care about last years draft. He compares how to every other player in the league? That's what counts.
    Wilkerson is a jag.
    Will people here please stop being homers and be objective.
    Why, "The Sanchize will be supurb. It unfair to compare him to more experienced players". Right.
    And Keller is an all pro. And Harris is a star. And the 'War Wagon" is going to terrorize.
    There are two really good players on the Jets. Mangold and Revis. Cromartie is close. And who knows if Revis is the same. And no silly discusions about Adrian Peterson's injury. Different people. Peterson is the NFL MVP. Revis has yet to be a DPOY.
    Get a clue

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    Quote Originally Posted by palmetto defender View Post
    Coples stats stink. I do not not care about last years draft. He compares how to every other player in the league? That's what counts.
    Wilkerson is a jag.
    Will people here please stop being homers and be objective.
    Why, "The Sanchize will be supurb. It unfair to compare him to more experienced players". Right.
    And Keller is an all pro. And Harris is a star. And the 'War Wagon" is going to terrorize.
    There are two really good players on the Jets. Mangold and Revis. Cromartie is close. And who knows if Revis is the same. And no silly discusions about Adrian Peterson's injury. Different people. Peterson is the NFL MVP. Revis has yet to be a DPOY.
    good lord.

    Someone should throw your computer down a flight of stairs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palmetto defender View Post
    Wilkerson is a jag.
    That sentence is just absurd




    Ljr

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    Quote Originally Posted by dustykeller View Post
    What are you basing this on?


    Because it's completely asinine.

    5.5 sacks for a rookie playing less than 50% of the snaps is TERRIBLE.

    Didn't you get the memo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rexipus Rex View Post
    5.5 sacks for a rookie playing less than 50% of the snaps is TERRIBLE.

    Didn't you get the memo?

    lol

    apparently not. I was too busy watching the games and forming accurate opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palmetto defender View Post
    Coples stats stink. I do not not care about last years draft. He compares how to every other player in the league? That's what counts.
    Wilkerson is a jag.
    Will people here please stop being homers and be objective.
    Why, "The Sanchize will be supurb. It unfair to compare him to more experienced players". Right.
    And Keller is an all pro. And Harris is a star. And the 'War Wagon" is going to terrorize.
    There are two really good players on the Jets. Mangold and Revis. Cromartie is close. And who knows if Revis is the same. And no silly discusions about Adrian Peterson's injury. Different people. Peterson is the NFL MVP. Revis has yet to be a DPOY.
    LOL

    Did you take a year off from watching football or something?

    Wilkerson graded out as the 3rd best 3-4 end in the league behind only JJ Watt and Justin Smith.

    And Coples put up 6 sacks in limited playing time.

    Get a clue

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