Enjoy an Ads-Free Jets Insider - Become a Jets Insider VIP!
Page 6 of 7 FirstFirst ... 4567 LastLast
Results 101 to 120 of 127

Thread: Jets moving primarily to a 4-3 front?

  1. #101
    All League
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    3,994
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by Tackleem View Post
    Disagree big time on DeVito, his skill set very well suited to 4-3 DT. Pouha becomes cuttable, and you use the cap savings to resign DeVito. Then your best bet is a base with DeVito and Wilkerson on the inside, Coples at strong-side DE, and draft pick or FA at weak/rush-end.
    This is not a bad idea, if Pouha can't overcome his injury and be productive again. De Vito is very underrated, he is effective not to mention excellent value for money. Throw in Jordan, Mingo, Ansah or even Margus Hunt (could be a viable #2 pick) and this 4 man front poses a lot of problems

  2. #102
    All Pro
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Hawthorne NJ
    Posts
    6,434
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by legler82 View Post
    We already have a 4-3 base alignment package called the "Taco" call; look it up. Rex installed it last training camp specifically to take advantage of the fact that our 2 best pass rushers was our 2 young d-linemen, Coples and Mo. It's not out of the question that because of the LB attrition this off-season that we see a lot more of this look. Since both Coples and Mo can move inside, we would still retain our flexibility if we drafted a guy like Jones, Jordan, Mingo...etc.
    Our 43 is just a DE playing the strong side LB position with his hand in the dirt instead of standing up. Sometimes he even drops into a zone. Coples was used in this spot a lot at the end of the year, and Rex just alluded to the fact that he may be used here more this year.

    Btw Devito would be a great fit in a 43 DT spot on running downs, but he creates no penetration on passing downs. Maybe Harris? Otherwise Coples would have to move in then we would need a designated edge rusher.

  3. #103
    All League
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Posts
    4,862
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by FijiJet View Post
    This is not a bad idea, if Pouha can't overcome his injury and be productive again. De Vito is very underrated, he is effective not to mention excellent value for money. Throw in Jordan, Mingo, Ansah or even Margus Hunt (could be a viable #2 pick) and this 4 man front poses a lot of problems
    The problem here a 4-3 line with mingo or jordan as a DE is that they really run the risk of getting steamrolled in the run game.

    Devito would be a solid 4-3 DT, but that isnt reason enough to make the switch.

    Ideally what I would like to see is the same 3-4 we have been running, except with Ansah in paces spot as an "OLB" with his hand on the ground on most plays.

    To go a step further, that group of 4 (including either ellis or pouha or a FA) would be a very stout yet also athletic group and would allow us to have the other OLB be someone who can cover (think kiko alonso or kasheem greene) - smaller, fast LB who can allow rex to move all 3 of the other LBs around more.

  4. #104
    All League
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    4,850
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by eaglenj View Post
    You do know that wilkerson graded out as having one of the best seasons a 3-4 end has ever had? Unfortunately he did it the same year that watt was even better.

    Also as far as coples, you should try actually watching the games and seeing how coples got more and more disruptive as the year wore on.

    You rip the "Jet homers" but you are no better....you want every draft pick to be aldon smith. 3-4 End has a lot of nuances to it, and it takes time. Coples had an excellent first year at the position and will only get better.

    Lastly whoever thinks harris is fast enough to be a 4-3 MLB is GROSSLY overrating him. He isnt fast enough with another ILB out there, if he has to play sideline to sideline we are in serious trouble.


    That's why he was at the pro Bowl. 3-4, 4-3. Makes no diff.
    Are you lobbying for hos spot in Canton already. Enough homerism.

  5. #105
    All League
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    4,850
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by RIJetFan View Post
    Coples will be good, IMO.
    You are entitled to your opinion. So far he is so so for a 1st rounder.
    Time will tell. Remember there is a character issue here. He slept through his senior year at UNC. Not the sign of a "plaayer".

  6. #106
    All League
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    4,850
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by PatsFanTX View Post
    Put it in perspective, did Mo make the Pro Bowl this year?

    Did Couples win DROY?

    That is one guy's opinion.

    I'd gladly take both of those players in a heartbeat to play for the Pats.

    Best two players the Jets have on the 53-man roster.


    Sorry Tex, Revis, Mangold and Cromartie are the top 3.
    And the Pats have such a bad defense of course Mo and Coples are an upgrade. Anybody would be an upgrade.

  7. #107
    All League
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Posts
    4,862
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by palmetto defender View Post
    That's why he was at the pro Bowl. 3-4, 4-3. Makes no diff.
    Are you lobbying for hos spot in Canton already. Enough homerism.
    What does your first sentence even mean?

  8. #108
    All League
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    4,850
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by Metro_Irvin View Post
    Palmetto_defender: "Look at me, look at me, look at me"

    Go jump off a bridge


    You need to go back for your GED. Once you get out of Riker's, that is.

  9. #109
    Hall Of Fame
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Mendham, NJ
    Posts
    12,066
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by palmetto defender View Post
    That's why he was at the pro Bowl. 3-4, 4-3. Makes no diff.
    Are you lobbying for hos spot in Canton already. Enough homerism.
    3-4 DEs dont get a lot of love for the Pro Bowl unless they are J.J. Watt. They usually dont get the sack totals that a 4-3 DE gets due to their other responsibilities.

  10. #110
    All Pro
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Posts
    5,836
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by palmetto defender View Post
    That's why he was at the pro Bowl. 3-4, 4-3. Makes no diff.
    Are you lobbying for hos spot in Canton already. Enough homerism.
    Really? Your evaluation criteria for a 3-4 DE's success are stats and pro bowl selections?

    Wow.

  11. #111
    All League
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    4,850
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by eaglenj View Post
    What does your first sentence even mean?

    It means is does not make a difference if you say "Well he's a 3-4 DE, one of the best". Who cares. How does he stack up against ALL DEs.
    Here's my logic. No Pro Bowl, maybe not as good as you think. Rmemeber the Ravens DEs didn't go plus guys backed out as well. Still no MO.
    He plays. He MAY improve.

  12. #112
    All League
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    4,850
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by sec.101row23 View Post
    3-4 DEs dont get a lot of love for the Pro Bowl unless they are J.J. Watt. They usually dont get the sack totals that a 4-3 DE gets due to their other responsibilities.

    Watt does seem to get it done though. Many teams do not do a 3-4. Lots of reasons.
    My point continues to be Mo is not quick enough for a 4-3 DE.
    How much confidence did the Jets have in Coples? If so why was his time on the field so so?

  13. #113
    All League
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    4,850
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by Brooklyn Jet View Post
    Really? Your evaluation criteria for a 3-4 DE's success are stats and pro bowl selections?

    Wow.


    Pro Bowl is not bad. Is is recognition for performance. Stats are kept for what reason?

    Just for the record, the Jets safeties were among the leading tacklers on the team. What does that say about up front?

  14. #114
    Practice Squad
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Posts
    251
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by palmetto defender View Post
    Pro Bowl is not bad. Is is recognition for performance. Stats are kept for what reason?

    Just for the record, the Jets safeties were among the leading tacklers on the team. What does that say about up front?
    Well considering all the sub packages the jets play in that makes sense. The leading tackler on a team is supposed to be MLB, or ILB; however, the Jets use safeties in the 46 spot and in big nickel linebacker spot, so once again yes that makes sense. And if you're using stats, then why aren't you looking at pro football focuses ranking of Defensive Ends. I had to use the fruit analogy in this thread earlier to explain why you can compare positional players within different groups, please go back and read it, then throw your computer out.

  15. #115
    All League
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Posts
    4,862
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by palmetto defender View Post
    It means is does not make a difference if you say "Well he's a 3-4 DE, one of the best". Who cares. How does he stack up against ALL DEs.Here's my logic. No Pro Bowl, maybe not as good as you think. Rmemeber the Ravens DEs didn't go plus guys backed out as well. Still no MO.
    He plays. He MAY improve.
    That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

    Teams run differnent systems, there is no debate about that, its a fact.

    If you think a 3-4 end should be compared to a 43 end, then there isnt much else for us to discuss, its not a difference of opinion.

  16. #116
    Hall Of Fame
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Posts
    13,130
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by palmetto defender View Post
    Wilkerson is not quick enough to be an elite pass rusher and Coples is not good enough period. Stay 3-4 go get OLBs.
    Mo Wilkerson is an ascending player. He will be very good if last season was any indication. As far as the pro bowl goes, who gives a sh*t? It's nothing but a popularity contest. Certainly not any indication of who is good and who isn't.

  17. #117
    Veteran
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    E'Ville
    Posts
    1,236
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by palmetto defender View Post
    Pro Bowl is not bad. Is is recognition for


    The Packers have benched C Jeff Saturday in favor of Evan Dietrich-Smith.

    This may be the end of the line for Saturday, who turned 37 in June and is owed nearly $4 million in 2013 salary and bonuses. The Packers had not been pleased with his run blocking. As NFL.com's Gregg Rosenthal has noted, Saturday currently leads all NFL offensive linemen in Pro Bowl voting, which strongly reinforces the notion that Pro Bowl voting is a complete sham.


    http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/1549/jeff-saturday

  18. #118
    Veteran
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    E'Ville
    Posts
    1,236
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by palmetto defender View Post
    It means is does not make a difference if you say "Well he's a 3-4 DE, one of the best". Who cares. How does he stack up against ALL DEs.
    Tom Brady sucks.

    He just doesn't stack up to all the other QBs when it comes to rushing yards

  19. #119
    Rookie
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Florida
    Posts
    813
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by 24 View Post
    What? As DT passrusher, yes he is. Coples is the best passrusher out of last years draft IMO.

    If you go to the beach and it's full of 6's in bikinis and no 10's, if you take the best home, you still just get a 6 or maybe 7.

  20. #120
    Veteran
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    1,956
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by leftturn3 View Post
    If you go to the beach and it's full of 6's in bikinis and no 10's, if you take the best home, you still just get a 6 or maybe 7.
    True, but you still get laid instead of passing and hoping that the beach has better talent next year.

    The best ones learn to hit for average before the learn to hit for power.

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Follow Us