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    Red Bulls Home Opener

    Anyone else heading to Red Bull Arena on Saturday for the home opener?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DevsJetsYanks88 View Post
    Anyone else heading to Red Bull Arena on Saturday for the home opener?
    Alas, no. I saw that Groupon had deals for these games. Not such a great sign. Though I will make some games this year. They've managed to pitch away 5 of 6 points already this season. Though I have to admit the game in Portland was all kinds of entertaining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batmans A Scientist View Post
    Alas, no. I saw that Groupon had deals for these games. Not such a great sign. Though I will make some games this year. They've managed to pitch away 5 of 6 points already this season. Though I have to admit the game in Portland was all kinds of entertaining.
    They've been horrid so far. Granted, under tough circumstances. Brand new rookie coach hired near the end of the off-season, two tough west coast trips (one in a very tough environment), and counting the last pre-season game, they've flown from Arizona to NY to Portland to NY to San Jose. But they've still been horrid.

    I'd say attendance will be around 15k and tickets sold around 20k. I expect a lot of no shows due to the early 12:30 start and there's a good chance of rain Saturday. Apparently the South Ward is completely sold out though, which is where I'll be.

    P.s. Roy Miller blows and I may walk out if he's starting again on Saturday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DevsJetsYanks88 View Post

    P.s. Roy Miller blows and I may walk out if he's starting again on Saturday.
    Not a big Bulls fan but I did watch the end of the San Jose game. Thierry Henry should get in Miller's face and tell him he's an embarrassment to the game. Not very often is one player (non GK) single-handedly responsible for a soccer team losing a match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonhomme Richard View Post
    Not a big Bulls fan but I did watch the end of the San Jose game. Thierry Henry should get in Miller's face and tell him he's an embarrassment to the game. Not very often is one player (non GK) single-handedly responsible for a soccer team losing a match.
    Absolutely. And this is an ongoing thing with him, he is just a terrible player. Even the first goal had his stench on it. I place more of the blame on Robles, as the ball sailed through the six and should have been grabbed by him. But it was Miller who left the man unmarked for the goal.

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    I am taking my nephews, we have season tickets, and usually call in and get a couple adjoining seats when some of their friends want to come. I called today to get 2 extra and couldn't get them in our section, never mind our row. Was told lower bowl has only single random tickets. Will be a blast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheptr View Post
    I am taking my nephews, we have season tickets, and usually call in and get a couple adjoining seats when some of their friends want to come. I called today to get 2 extra and couldn't get them in our section, never mind our row. Was told lower bowl has only single random tickets. Will be a blast.
    Enjoy! Home opener combined with the hated rivals should make for a great atmosphere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DevsJetsYanks88 View Post
    Absolutely. And this is an ongoing thing with him, he is just a terrible player. Even the first goal had his stench on it. I place more of the blame on Robles, as the ball sailed through the six and should have been grabbed by him. But it was Miller who left the man unmarked for the goal.
    Miller let his man get right in behind him on that first goal.

    That PK though... WTF??

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheptr View Post
    I am taking my nephews, we have season tickets, and usually call in and get a couple adjoining seats when some of their friends want to come. I called today to get 2 extra and couldn't get them in our section, never mind our row. Was told lower bowl has only single random tickets. Will be a blast.
    That's really surprising and good to hear. There was an interesting article on ESPN about Americans supporting the MLS.

    Essentially asking "Are you a true fan of US Soccer, if you don't support the MLS". Like most, people, I think that the two are separate. But the point is there, the MLS can only get better if people watch on TV, support their teams, and go to games. The MLS getting better can only help US soccer in the long term.

    However, for cities that don't have an MLS team, it's irrelevant. A person in Phoenix rooting for Colorado or LA is no different than rooting for Liverpool or Tottenham, without the local connection. But There's a part of me that believes that New York soccer fans should make an effort to watch the Red Bulls (and Colorado for Rapids, etc), when they show those games in Portland and Seattle, I'm a little jealous. It's a great atmosphere, and it's something that's lacking in Harrison, NJ.

    http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/relega...id/728?cc=5901

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonhomme Richard View Post
    Miller let his man get right in behind him on that first goal.

    That PK though... WTF??
    What was most disturbing about that PK blunder was that was almost exactly how they were eliminated from the playoffs last year. Absolutely sickening and mind blowing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batmans A Scientist View Post
    That's really surprising and good to hear. There was an interesting article on ESPN about Americans supporting the MLS.

    Essentially asking "Are you a true fan of US Soccer, if you don't support the MLS". Like most, people, I think that the two are separate. But the point is there, the MLS can only get better if people watch on TV, support their teams, and go to games. The MLS getting better can only help US soccer in the long term.

    However, for cities that don't have an MLS team, it's irrelevant. A person in Phoenix rooting for Colorado or LA is no different than rooting for Liverpool or Tottenham, without the local connection. But There's a part of me that believes that New York soccer fans should make an effort to watch the Red Bulls (and Colorado for Rapids, etc), when they show those games in Portland and Seattle, I'm a little jealous. It's a great atmosphere, and it's something that's lacking in Harrison, NJ.

    http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/relega...id/728?cc=5901
    My biggest concerns is no shows. I assumed this one would be close to sold out. On one hand, I look at the DC game last year where Barklage scored twice, and think we'll see a duplicate of that. That was probably the most electric atmosphere of the season, was sold out, and was very close to capacity. Couple that with this being the home opener and it should be a packed house. On the other hand, I look at the early, 12:30 start time and the rain in the forecast. Variables that have often made that place a ghost town on many occasions.

    In terms of the other topic, they briefly discussed that on the halftime show on Sunday. Relative to the Red Bulls, it's difficult to put your finger on why they haven't developed the popularity and gameday atmosphere as some other clubs across the league. Is it because they have yet to win a single trophy in their existence? Is it because they had almost a change in identity with the name change? Is it because their is a lack of marketing or efforts at developing brand image and awareness? Is it because the NY Metro area is such a melting pot with a rich soccer culture that looks down at the MLS as an inferior product, more so than a market like Portland or Seattle?

    I do think if you're a soccer fan in the US, you really should try and support your local MLS club, to some degree, providing you have one.

    I played soccer growing up and into high school, but was never a fan of watching the game. My fandom started with attending a few Red Bulls games in '06, as well as watching the World Cup that year. That has turned into me watching the sport religiously, ranking it up there with all my other favorite sports. I consider myself a diehard Red Bulls fan that is now a partial season ticket holder, an avid supporter of the US national team, and a budding fan of an EPL team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DevsJetsYanks88 View Post
    What was most disturbing about that PK blunder was that was almost exactly how they were eliminated from the playoffs last year. Absolutely sickening and mind blowing.
    I give a lot of credit to Henry. He's a legend in Europe, one of France's all time greatest players. There was an article in this week's SI about how much he wants to win a championship with NY, and how closely he follows and is in tune with the rest of MLS. He's a consummate pro and 100% on board, and he has to deal with clowns like Miller.

    I should make an effort to pay more attention to MLS this season. I'd consider going to a Red Bulls game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonhomme Richard View Post
    I give a lot of credit to Henry. He's a legend in Europe, one of France's all time greatest players. There was an article in this week's SI about how much he wants to win a championship with NY, and how closely he follows and is in tune with the rest of MLS. He's a consummate pro and 100% on board, and he has to deal with clowns like Miller.

    I should make an effort to pay more attention to MLS this season. I'd consider going to a Red Bulls game.
    One of my favorite things about Henry is that he wears a Metrostars armband on his bicep every game. He respects and honors the Metro history of the club, something Red Bull refuses to do.

    I'd highly recommend checking out a game. The stadium is gorgeous and there's great sightlines no matter where you sit. Tickets are very inexpensive and you can take in a fun atmosphere if you sit in or around the supporters sections.

    P.s. tough night for you with Milan. I was pulling for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DevsJetsYanks88 View Post
    One of my favorite things about Henry is that he wears a Metrostars armband on his bicep every game. He respects and honors the Metro history of the club, something Red Bull refuses to do.

    I'd highly recommend checking out a game. The stadium is gorgeous and there's great sightlines no matter where you sit. Tickets are very inexpensive and you can take in a fun atmosphere if you sit in or around the supporters sections.

    P.s. tough night for you with Milan. I was pulling for them.
    How easy is it getting to the stadium? Is there a train station right there or am I better off driving?


    Milan didn't even show up to that game. They looked like the Knicks did last night. Completely flat with no urgency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonhomme Richard View Post
    How easy is it getting to the stadium? Is there a train station right there or am I better off driving?


    Milan didn't even show up to that game. They looked like the Knicks did last night. Completely flat with no urgency.
    I'd recommend driving, the parking/driving situation has become much better since the stadium opened. It's just a few minutes off of exit 16 on 280 and you can park at various spots near the arena for 10 bucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonhomme Richard View Post
    How easy is it getting to the stadium? Is there a train station right there or am I better off driving?


    Milan didn't even show up to that game. They looked like the Knicks did last night. Completely flat with no urgency.
    Depends where you are coming from. I live in Manhattan, so I take the Path, and it's about 5-10 min walk from Path to stadium. I think its a little longer via NJ Transit, maybe about 20 min from Newark train station through Ironbound district.

    Despite saying "you have to walk about 3/4 mile through Newark" it's actually a safe walk, and you pass some great Portuguese places along the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batmans A Scientist View Post
    Depends where you are coming from. I live in Manhattan, so I take the Path, and it's about 5-10 min walk from Path to stadium. I think its a little longer via NJ Transit, maybe about 20 min from Newark train station through Ironbound district.

    Despite saying "you have to walk about 3/4 mile through Newark" it's actually a safe walk, and you pass some great Portuguese places along the way.
    The supporters clubs bars right on Market Street have some really good food. MMM Bello's and El Pastor are the ones I've been to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DevsJetsYanks88 View Post
    The supporters clubs bars right on Market Street have some really good food. MMM Bello's and El Pastor are the ones I've been to.
    There's a place near the train station that used to be called "The Lunch Place" or "The Lunch Box", I have no idea what it is now, but it's delicious, I think it is "The Lunch Place", actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonhomme Richard View Post
    I give a lot of credit to Henry. He's a legend in Europe, one of France's all time greatest players. There was an article in this week's SI about how much he wants to win a championship with NY, and how closely he follows and is in tune with the rest of MLS. He's a consummate pro and 100% on board, and he has to deal with clowns like Miller.

    I should make an effort to pay more attention to MLS this season. I'd consider going to a Red Bulls game.
    Article isn't available online as of yet, but here's an interesting extension of it. Very good read.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soc...ahl-red-bulls/

    My feature story on Thierry Henry and the New York Red Bulls is in this week's Sports Illustrated magazine as part of our MLS season-opening package. But there was a lot of good stuff that I didn't use from my interviews over a two-week period with all of the top figures from the club. That's the challenge with magazine stories: You only end up using your very best nuggets, and a lot falls by the wayside.

    I didn't want all that to go to waste, however, so here's my column with six more reasons why New York (which meets San Jose on Sunday, ESPN2, 10 pm ET) is the most intriguing team in MLS at the start of the 2013 season:

    1. The World Cup-winning star is still thirsting for more.

    Henry has won more important trophies in his career than anyone in the history of MLS, and it's not even close. But he has yet to win an MLS Cup, and you can see how much it rankles him. Truth be told, Henry is sort of a prickly guy in interviews—by equal measure candid, interesting and a bit confrontational—and it's a reflection of how he plays on the field, too.

    "I still feel fresh, still have that little fire in me, that desire," Henry said at one point. "Sometimes I'm a bit over-committed, but when I see a game I'd rather see someone over-committed rather than not caring or not trying too hard. It's always like that with me. When I'm upset, you see it. When I'm happy, you see it."

    As his teammate Dax McCarty put it when describing Henry, "His competitiveness, his drive, his desire to win, I've never seen anything like it. Sometimes it gets to the point where you're like, 'Whoa, maybe he needs to take it down a notch.' But this is my third year with the team, and it won't surprise me anymore. If you make a bad pass and he lays into you a little bit, it's like he expects perfection. Where he comes from, if that doesn't happen he wants to make sure you know, 'Hey, let's make it better.'"

    "That's his way to try and motivate us. I don't think everything he does is seen as productive," McCarty continued. "But with all the guys on the team, we know he wants what's best for the team. So if he's frustrated, we know we need to change little things to make sure not only he's happier but the team is playing better. Thierry will be the first guy to tell you, if he makes a bad pass he doesn't mind if you lay into him a little bit. It's a little intimidating at first, but he has a tremendous amount of respect for guys who are willing to say, 'Listen, you need to pick it up.' He expects that from us, but he needs to know we expect that from him. That's why I think he's done so well in his career. He's had players at Arsenal and Barcelona who said if he makes a mistake, make it better the next time."

    Henry wasn't all that effective in New York's season-opening 3-3 tie at Portland last week. Will things be different in San Jose on Sunday? And might we see Henry stationed farther upfield than he was last week? "Thierry still has something in the tank, and I'm sure he can deliver some good goals," said Gérard Houllier, Red Bull's global soccer boss, whose relationship with Henry goes back to coaching his France team to the UEFA Under-18 title in 1996. "All he needs is to be fed. I don't like when he drops deep in parts of the game, because when you do that you're not in front of the goal."

    2. The new coach, a longtime fan favorite, is brutally honest.

    It's hard not to like Mike Petke, the 37-year-old former Red Bulls defender who was surprisingly given the head coaching gig in January. Not only does Petke, a Long Island native, love the club, but he's self-deprecating to boot. Petke tells the story of the day in November when Houllier, having just dismissed former coach Hans Backe, held a meeting in front of the remaining coaches and players and turned to Petke. "You'll be in charge," Houllier said to Petke, giving him the interim job at the time. "I was looking over my shoulder to see if Sir Alex Ferguson or Pep Guardiola was standing behind me," Petke jokes.

    "Can you handle that?" Houllier asked. Petke said absolutely. It was the first time the two men had ever spoken to each other.

    Petke admits he's under "a s---load of pressure" as the coach of one of the league's flagship teams. "But most of the pressure I put on myself," he said. "I could care less if I'm fired by the end of the year. What I do care about is when I do leave this organization, the one I love and that I've been a part of, I left it in a better place than it was. That drives me every day."

    Petke first joined the club, then known as the MetroStars, in the third year of MLS, and he feels a close connection to the team's long-suffering fans, who have never seen the franchise win a competitive trophy.

    "To look up in the stands last year and see so many faces that I'd seen in 1998, it blows my mind," Petke said. "It takes a strong-willed person to stick around a franchise that has continuously let down the fanbase and organization and ourselves. I say the same thing to them all the time: When we are successful, they are going to have just as much to benefit as we are. I truly mean that. Because at the heart of it, I am one of them."

    3. The man who built France's youth system in the 1990s thinks it can be done in the United States.

    Houllier deservedly gets much of the credit for the success of France's youth development at Clairefontaine in the '90s, which helped lead Les Bleus to winning the World Cup in 1998. Part of his task with the Red Bulls is to make sure the team produces young American players who can win for New York—and, presumably, on the world stage.

    "The league [MLS] is very physical," says Houllier, who also managed Aston Villa, Lyon and Liverpool, among other clubs. "Football in America is at a turning point. This is probably why MLS is keen to develop connections with some of the FAs in Europe. They're physical and well-organized. What they need is to be more technical, have more creativity in the game in terms of beating players and so on. It's a crucial moment. Some European teams were like the U.S. maybe 20 or 30 years ago, but they decided to put the emphasis on developing young players and bringing more skills and creativity ... But you have to do that at a young age, and it's under the age of 12."

    Houllier is based in Paris, but he also hired two executives who are on the ground in New York: Red Bulls sporting director Andy Roxburgh, the Scottish former UEFA technical director, and general manager Jérôme de Bontin, a Frenchman who has lived in the U.S. for many years. "The player development side, we'll get into that more, which includes the academy," said Roxburgh, who has spent most of his time getting things organized on the first team so far.

    4. Tim Cahill thinks it's perfectly fine to play in MLS and continue his international career.

    The Australian international, a Red Bulls designated player, doesn't understand why some national team coaches don't want their players being in MLS. The group includes Colombia's José Pekerman and, based on recent reports, England's Roy Hodgson with Frank Lampard. "I find that difficult," says Cahill, "because [Lampard] is a professional who plays at the highest level all the time. I think it would actually be a good move for his body. If anything, you should work harder to keep your body in better condition so when you show up you've got that international stimulation. When I go on international duty, I love it. And I've got a great relationship with my [national-team] manager, Holger [Osieck], who understands this is the best thing for me."

    5. The new GM has some ideas for filling Red Bull Arena.

    Focusing mainly on the business side is De Bontin, a French finance expert who attended Amherst (where he became good friends with Prince Albert of Monaco) and has served as both the president of AS Monaco and (during his years in Chicago) as a U.S. Soccer board member. It's De Bontin's job to start filling Red Bull Arena, the club's sparkling $200 million stadium in Harrison, N.J.

    De Bontin tells the story of recently meeting an aide to New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg. The aide, a soccer fan, said that he and his friends flew to London a couple times a year to watch English Premier League games. But the man had never once visited Red Bull Arena. "We need to reach out to all those who should come here who've never come," De Bontin says. "I run into many corporate leaders who played in college and always liked the sport, and yet they haven't connected with the Red Bulls or MLS."

    With extensive experience in Europe and in the U.S., De Bontin has the chance to be an important figure bridging the two worlds for the Red Bulls. He certainly has his share of opinions on a number of topics. For one, the debate over whether European expertise is a good thing or a bad thing at MLS clubs.

    "If you look at just soccer, keeping MLS aside, it's clear that you'll find greater expertise in Europe than you will find here," he says. "But MLS is really complicated, as I've learned over the years. It's structured like no other league. It has more rules and regulations. The salary cap makes it extremely difficult to build a team over time like in Europe. The top European coaches who've come and gone have had a very tough time adjusting to that ... So I think maybe bringing the experts from Europe on a consulting basis works better than bringing a top European coach who'll try for six months or a year, get tired and go home. Bringing such a prestigious expert as Andy Roxburgh as sporting director is to have his experience to help a coaching staff that is almost exclusively American [headed by Petke and assistant Robin Fraser].

    De Bontin also has an intriguing take on MLS commissioner Don Garber's stated goal of making MLS one of the world's top soccer leagues by 2022. "He's not a former soccer player, so his perspective is not the one of a soccer person," De Bontin says. "It is, rightly so, the one of a businessman. So his point of comparison is more the NFL than the EPL. He's more concerned with the value of a franchise than with the quality of play. He doesn't necessarily see the difference between the standard game here and the standard game in a secondary league like Switzerland or Austria."

    "I admire him for everything that he's doing right," the former Monaco president continued, "but I do believe the league needs people like me to pressure all the other owners to recognize that building a nice stadium is not enough. The product on the pitch has to match the standard of the stadiums we have built."

    How many other MLS GMs would say what De Bontin just said? Not many.

    6. Another DP is likely on the way to New York this summer.

    In Houllier's first interview with a U.S. media outlet since taking over Red Bull's global soccer operations, he strongly suggests that New York will sign a third Designated Player this summer, but he won't be like the one he's replacing, Rafa Márquez. "I don't think we'll sign [a DP] before July," Houllier says. "We'll wait and see how it goes. If you take a DP, he has to bring something to the team. He must not cost you goals or qualifications, and he must also be an example in terms of attitude. So I prefer to wait and have the right


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonhomme Richard View Post
    Miller let his man get right in behind him on that first goal.

    That PK though... WTF??
    Ives Galarcep ‏@SoccerByIves
    #SMH MT @FrancoPanizo: Roy Miller's on why he encroached: "Did it on purpose w/ thought he would score & ref would have to call it back"
    This may actually be the dumbest quote I've read in a while. There is no upside to doing this. If he makes the PK, it still counts.

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