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    Quote Originally Posted by sec.101row23 View Post
    That is still a huge question regarding Kolb. He has never played more than 9 games in a season. In 2011 he played 9 games had a 57% completion rate, 9 TDs and 8 INTs. In 2010 with the Eagles played 7 games had a 60% completion rate, 7 TDs and 7 INTs.

    He better come cheap if the Jets bring him in.

    Agree, would have to be very cheap, and he is not the future. I just can't stomach the thought of seeing suckchez starting on opening day

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    Quote Originally Posted by jps1012 View Post
    What type of QB is kolb? Does he have an arm?
    FWIW--Pre-2007 Draft: Good fit for WCO

    Positives: Has good size with adequate muscle definition, losing more than 10 pounds of "baby fat" in the last year to improve his agility rolling out of the pocket … Mobile passer with the nimble feet to make all of his throws when rolling out of the pocket … Short strider who has the change of direction agility to sidestep the initial tackler, doing an effective job of throwing from either of the outside hashes … Loves the challenge in pressure situations and remains cool in the backfield, despite numerous protection breakdowns (was sacked 33 times in 2006, but fumbled only once), as he is also very conscious of protecting the ball to prevent the costly fumble … Makes good on-field adjustments and check on the pre-snap and is alert to zone coverages … Worked hard with the team's new strength coach before the 2006 season and the trimmed frame and added strength allowed him to stand tall in the pocket … Puts nice touch and velocity on his short-to-intermediate throws … Displays good arm strength and accuracy on sideline, screens, slants and crossing routes … Has enough foot speed and balance to be a threat running with the ball and shows good body control in his pass set-up … Can slide and avoid, doing a nice job of escaping pressure and creating when on the move … Does whatever he can to stay alive in the pocket, as he picks up defensive schemes quickly and has no problems taking plays from the chalkboard to the field … Best when making calls at the line of scrimmage, as he does a very good job of scanning the field … Can pull the ball down and make something out of a broken play with his feet and is accurate throwing on the move … Has adequate quickness dropping back from center to his pass-set point and is able to get good depth due to his fine balance and quick feet … . The thing you see on 2006 film is that he now does a much better job of setting his feet and stepping into his throws than in past seasons … The ball comes off Kolb's hand with average zip and good touch, as he knows how to step towards his target and maintain balance following through with his passes … When he uses a three-quarter release and steps into his throws, his release is much more compact and natural … Throws a tight spiral that receivers don't have to come back on when operating in tight spaces … Throws the long ball with adequate touch and accuracy, zips the posts and even when he passes off his back foot, he is still able to generate good velocity … Patient sitting in the pocket and scanning the field, locating his secondary targets with good efficiency … Shows better accuracy with underneath tosses than on long throws, but does an effective job of keeping the receiver in his route progression without having to break stride … Puts good air behind the short fade routes, knowing when to take something off those throws … Can zip the pass into tight coverage away from the defender, demonstrating good placement and has the awareness and ability to slide in the pocket and continue to scan down field … Knows where all of his targets are and will throw the ball away rather than force the issue when all are covered … Does a good job of squaring his shoulders and driving with his legs to break tackles when forced to run with the ball … Has the vision to pick his spots to run to and is quick to slide and avoid being punished when the defender closes on his rushing attempt … Self-starter who has been a great program player and unquestioned leader ever since first stepping into the huddle as a freshman … Vocal leader, but not the type who appears arrogant, like some quarterbacks tend to be.

    Negatives: Has a soft midsection, high-cut calves and thin ankles … Forced the ball more often during his junior year, as he ran through several streaks where he simply threw right to the opposition, resulting in 15 interceptions after having only 12 during his first two years combined. However, he did improve dramatically in this area as a senior … When he holds on to the ball too long, he will be forced to improvise and the result was generally not good (lots of fumbles due to poor ball security) … His problems throwing the ball away came when he threw it to dangerous spots on the field where there was no receiver in sight … Has a nice over-the-top release, but sometimes will wind up (no major issues though) … When he carries the ball too low, it slows down his delivery a bit … When pressured and forced to roll out, he had a little bit of a problem, as his receivers did have to adjust a bit … In the past, he was known as a streaky performer, but he became a much better rhythm passer in 2006 due to his ability to scan the field and be more patient waiting for his receivers to get free … Stands in the pocket taking vicious hits trying to make the pass play because of poor protection throughout his career and needs to throw the ball away more rather than try to create something out of nothing.

    Compares To: JAY CUTLER-Denver … Before his senior season, Kolb was reminiscent of David Carr -- blessed with good arm strength, but too streaky in his performance. With added maturity, a trimmer body and a stronger arm, he has elevated his status to the top of the position. Talk all they want about Drew Stanton's arm strength, we'll take a more patient Kevin Kolb over any quarterback in this draft after the two first-rounders (Brady Quinn, JaMarcus Russell) are gone.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...torical/414742


    BIOGRAPHY: Four-year starter named Conference USA Player of the Year as a senior after career passing numbers of 67.6%/3,809/30/4. Junior totals included 3,258 passing yards with 19 touchdowns.

    POSITIVES: Poised pocket passer with nice size. Takes control of the offense, has a nice sense of where his receivers are on the field and is a presence behind center. Sees the field, finds the open wideout and quickly releases the ball. Uses all his targets.

    NEGATIVES: Takes most of his snaps from the shotgun and benefits from a three-receiver system. Tends to direct his throws. Stares down the primary target.

    ANALYSIS: A signal caller with a good degree of upside, Kolb offers the physical skills to play at the next level. Will need time to get accustomed to an NFL offense yet a solid developmental prospect.

    PROJECTION: Middle Third Round

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...yers/6114.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mart View Post
    FWIW--Pre-2007 Draft: Good fit for WCO

    Positives: Has good size with adequate muscle definition, losing more than 10 pounds of "baby fat" in the last year to improve his agility rolling out of the pocket Mobile passer with the nimble feet to make all of his throws when rolling out of the pocket Short strider who has the change of direction agility to sidestep the initial tackler, doing an effective job of throwing from either of the outside hashes Loves the challenge in pressure situations and remains cool in the backfield, despite numerous protection breakdowns (was sacked 33 times in 2006, but fumbled only once), as he is also very conscious of protecting the ball to prevent the costly fumble Makes good on-field adjustments and check on the pre-snap and is alert to zone coverages Worked hard with the team's new strength coach before the 2006 season and the trimmed frame and added strength allowed him to stand tall in the pocket Puts nice touch and velocity on his short-to-intermediate throws Displays good arm strength and accuracy on sideline, screens, slants and crossing routes Has enough foot speed and balance to be a threat running with the ball and shows good body control in his pass set-up Can slide and avoid, doing a nice job of escaping pressure and creating when on the move Does whatever he can to stay alive in the pocket, as he picks up defensive schemes quickly and has no problems taking plays from the chalkboard to the field Best when making calls at the line of scrimmage, as he does a very good job of scanning the field Can pull the ball down and make something out of a broken play with his feet and is accurate throwing on the move Has adequate quickness dropping back from center to his pass-set point and is able to get good depth due to his fine balance and quick feet . The thing you see on 2006 film is that he now does a much better job of setting his feet and stepping into his throws than in past seasons The ball comes off Kolb's hand with average zip and good touch, as he knows how to step towards his target and maintain balance following through with his passes When he uses a three-quarter release and steps into his throws, his release is much more compact and natural Throws a tight spiral that receivers don't have to come back on when operating in tight spaces Throws the long ball with adequate touch and accuracy, zips the posts and even when he passes off his back foot, he is still able to generate good velocity Patient sitting in the pocket and scanning the field, locating his secondary targets with good efficiency Shows better accuracy with underneath tosses than on long throws, but does an effective job of keeping the receiver in his route progression without having to break stride Puts good air behind the short fade routes, knowing when to take something off those throws Can zip the pass into tight coverage away from the defender, demonstrating good placement and has the awareness and ability to slide in the pocket and continue to scan down field Knows where all of his targets are and will throw the ball away rather than force the issue when all are covered Does a good job of squaring his shoulders and driving with his legs to break tackles when forced to run with the ball Has the vision to pick his spots to run to and is quick to slide and avoid being punished when the defender closes on his rushing attempt Self-starter who has been a great program player and unquestioned leader ever since first stepping into the huddle as a freshman Vocal leader, but not the type who appears arrogant, like some quarterbacks tend to be.

    Negatives: Has a soft midsection, high-cut calves and thin ankles Forced the ball more often during his junior year, as he ran through several streaks where he simply threw right to the opposition, resulting in 15 interceptions after having only 12 during his first two years combined. However, he did improve dramatically in this area as a senior When he holds on to the ball too long, he will be forced to improvise and the result was generally not good (lots of fumbles due to poor ball security) His problems throwing the ball away came when he threw it to dangerous spots on the field where there was no receiver in sight Has a nice over-the-top release, but sometimes will wind up (no major issues though) When he carries the ball too low, it slows down his delivery a bit When pressured and forced to roll out, he had a little bit of a problem, as his receivers did have to adjust a bit In the past, he was known as a streaky performer, but he became a much better rhythm passer in 2006 due to his ability to scan the field and be more patient waiting for his receivers to get free Stands in the pocket taking vicious hits trying to make the pass play because of poor protection throughout his career and needs to throw the ball away more rather than try to create something out of nothing.

    Compares To: JAY CUTLER-Denver Before his senior season, Kolb was reminiscent of David Carr -- blessed with good arm strength, but too streaky in his performance. With added maturity, a trimmer body and a stronger arm, he has elevated his status to the top of the position. Talk all they want about Drew Stanton's arm strength, we'll take a more patient Kevin Kolb over any quarterback in this draft after the two first-rounders (Brady Quinn, JaMarcus Russell) are gone.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...torical/414742


    BIOGRAPHY: Four-year starter named Conference USA Player of the Year as a senior after career passing numbers of 67.6%/3,809/30/4. Junior totals included 3,258 passing yards with 19 touchdowns.

    POSITIVES: Poised pocket passer with nice size. Takes control of the offense, has a nice sense of where his receivers are on the field and is a presence behind center. Sees the field, finds the open wideout and quickly releases the ball. Uses all his targets.

    NEGATIVES: Takes most of his snaps from the shotgun and benefits from a three-receiver system. Tends to direct his throws. Stares down the primary target.

    ANALYSIS: A signal caller with a good degree of upside, Kolb offers the physical skills to play at the next level. Will need time to get accustomed to an NFL offense yet a solid developmental prospect.

    PROJECTION: Middle Third Round

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...yers/6114.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainejet View Post
    What harm does it do for the Jets to sign MANY QB's and let them fight it out in TC? I honestly cannot find anything wrong with that.

    We all know none of these they are bringing in are going to save our franchise. None of them are capable of that.

    But what we are trying to do is get BETTER QB play than what we've had. Everyone knows 2013 is not going to be a SB year, so why not let a bunch of established veterans fight it out to become depth for 2014 and beyond? The FO will go after another franchise QB in 2014 I suspect

    Let the chips fall where they may. That's the best and only way to handle things when you know you do not have a clear cut starter.
    My concern is with the limited available reps in practice due to new CBA rules resulting in shorter practices and no more 2 a days. More QBs competing means less reps for everyone. Add in the installation of a new system and whoever starts day 1 gets less reps than an established starter would. The result is less familiarity with the system, calls, and protections, and less timing with receivers.

    For this reason alone Kolb makes sense. I feel Sanchez is the best athlete but if he can't handle the live bullets they need to try to trade him to a backup needy team and get whatever they can in return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sec.101row23 View Post
    That is still a huge question regarding Kolb. He has never played more than 9 games in a season. In 2011 he played 9 games had a 57% completion rate, 9 TDs and 8 INTs. In 2010 with the Eagles played 7 games had a 60% completion rate, 7 TDs and 7 INTs.

    He better come cheap if the Jets bring him in.
    in 2012 he had a 86.1 passer rating, 59.5% comp; and 8td and 3picks before he got hurt. those are solid numbers behind a horrific o-line. plus he already knows the offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mart View Post
    Negatives: Has a soft midsection, high-cut calves and thin ankles
    LOL, is this a joke? High cut calves and thin ankles? Soft midsection? WTF kind of analysis is this?!

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    Kolb and Garrard would be, by far, the most serious QB competition Sanchez has ever faced.

    in a year of very limited options, i'll take it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mart View Post
    Compares To: JAY CUTLER-Denver Before his senior season, Kolb was reminiscent of David Carr -- blessed with good arm strength, but too streaky in his performance. With added maturity, a trimmer body and a stronger arm, he has elevated his status to the top of the position. Talk all they want about Drew Stanton's arm strength, we'll take a more patient Kevin Kolb over any quarterback in this draft after the two first-rounders (Brady Quinn, JaMarcus Russell) are gone.
    My God, what a terrible QB class that was.

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    It's obvious most of these people have never seen Kolb play while at Arizona. He sucked with Larry Fitzgerald and the underrated Andre Roberts. Even in Philly when he played in Morhinweg's system with playmakers everywhere to throw to he was not good and lost his job to the dog killer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sourceworx View Post
    My God, what a terrible QB class that was.
    Biggest problem, or at the top, happening in the NFL is the quantity of quality QBs. They really need a true NFL 'farm system' to develop QBs. Stashing a 'developmental' QB on your roster as the #3 doesn't develop the guy. They rarely practice other than running the scout team plays. JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mart View Post
    Biggest problem, or at the top, happening in the NFL is the quantity of quality QBs. They really need a true NFL 'farm system' to develop QBs. Stashing a 'developmental' QB on your roster as the #3 doesn't develop the guy. They rarely practice other than running the scout team plays. JMO
    I totally agree. I never understood why the NFL never instituted a development league that was based here, in smaller U.S. cities. It would be beneficial to the league in many ways.

    NFL Europe lost them money because American football will never be a big time sport there, the same way soccer will never be very big over here. But that league still produced some very good players for the NFL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtstar View Post
    Kolb and Garrard would be, by far, the most serious QB competition Sanchez has ever faced.

    in a year of very limited options, i'll take it.
    Assuming they beat out Sanchez, can anyone see the Jets paying Sanchez 8.2 million this year to hold a clipboard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kentucky Jet View Post
    Assuming they beat out Sanchez, can anyone see the Jets paying Sanchez 8.2 million this year to hold a clipboard?
    Either one of them can beat Sanchez fairly easily.

    If they sign Kolb and draft a QB, don't be shocked if they end up biting the bullet on Sanchez's contract after June 1st.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southside View Post
    LOL, is this a joke? High cut calves and thin ankles? Soft midsection? WTF kind of analysis is this?!
    I'm guessing it's supposed to be a sign that he's an injury risk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sourceworx View Post
    Either one of them can beat Sanchez fairly easily.
    Kolb had a difficult time beating out John Skelton last year. You guys are on another planet when it comes to this guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kentucky Jet View Post
    Assuming they beat out Sanchez, can anyone see the Jets paying Sanchez 8.2 million this year to hold a clipboard?
    I wouldn't expect us to sign Kolb unless Morningwig thinks he should start and Gerard will back him up.

    No reason to bring him in and pay him unless Morningwig is pretty sure he is going to start over Sanchez.

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    If Garrard and Kolb are replacing Sanchez and Teblow, then I'm okay with it- I've seen enough of those 2.

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    idzik just left a team that found a star qb in the third round. he's going to bring in as many guys as he can afford and have them compete. increases the odds of finding a quality starter. it's math, that's all.
    Believe it!!!

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    Kolb to jets?

    His Wiki page says he with the jets. If that is the case. Looking forward to it. Really is a good QB. Would thrive here!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Kolb

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetfan8822 View Post
    His Wiki page says he with the jets. If that is the case. Looking forward to it. Really is a good QB. Would thrive here!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Kolb
    I'm hopeful that we'll grab him, he'd be some good competition and think he'd win over what we have now.

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