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    Quote Originally Posted by SAR I View Post
    This has to be the worst offseason ever, even the Kotite years weren't this bad.

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    LOL. That's even funnier. So far, I am pleased with the off season. I like much of our draft and I am excited that one of the worst and incapable starting QBs in the history of the NFL has his remaining time marked with the team I love. God he is putrid. No ability whatsoever to read a defense. None. Never learned how to do it under Schotty/Cavanaugh and too late now. Doesn't know how to step up in the pocket. Repeatedly moves laterally directly into oncoming rushers. Field vision is akin to tunnel vision. Overthrows and underthrows even when there is zero pressure. Mopes and pouts constantly. Zero leadership skills. Bad work ethic (but pretends to have a good one). But Rex lobbied for this dope. Biggest mistake in the last 20 years of NY Jets football was trading up to get this piece of sht.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Nut View Post
    Actually he didn't this time, he dropped right where he should drop. Determined by all that were there and watching, including his partner. He played it exactly right.
    actually he DID. Clearly the ball never hooked at all or hooked into the water anywhere within 200 yards of where Woods decided to drop it. There is a clear shot taken from the blimp. It crossed the water directly behind the beginning of the water about 75 yards from the tee box. Tiger did his drop about 250-275 yards from the tee box.

    But then again, as he proved at the Masters, those rules things are for other players if you are Tiger Woods


    here's the proof and it's absolute


    http://uservideos.sma****s.com/video...ther-win-.html
    Last edited by sg3; 05-13-2013 at 11:49 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sg3 View Post
    speaking of that, he did it again in the Players taking an illegal drop more than 200 yards forward of where his ball crossed the line of the water on the fourteenth hole yesterday.

    I think Bill Belichick is his new swing coach
    lol, he dropped in the correct spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYJ37/12 View Post
    lol, he dropped in the correct spot.
    if you add on about 200+ yards, you are correct. There were only two legal options... the tee box and a spot directly behind the beginning of the water and behind some bushes.

    Woods decided to pick a spot about 200 yards further ahead of where his ball crossed the water

    Not even arguable really --- watch the shot as it happened and the announcers agreeing that it didn't cross any water at all

    http://uservideos.sma****s.com/video...ther-win-.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by sg3 View Post
    if you add on about 200+ yards, you are correct. There were only two legal options... the tee box and a spot directly behind the beginning of the water and behind some bushes.

    Woods decided to pick a spot about 200 yards further ahead of where his ball crossed the water

    Not even arguable really --- watch the shot as it happened and the announcers agreeing that it didn't cross any water at all

    http://uservideos.sma****s.com/video...ther-win-.html
    The ball hooked over the red stake and into the water, where he dropped. If you go by what Johnny Miller has to say, dont waste your time, he hates Tiger. The controversy is whether the ball ever flew over the land after it left the tee box. All the shots from that hole initially cross the water then fly over the fairway. Miller suggested that Tiger's ball never flew over the fairway,, he is wrong.

    "I saw it perfectly from the tee," Wittenberg said. "I told him exactly where I thought it crossed, and we all agreed. ... I told him I thought it crossed on the corner of the bunker right where he took his drop, and it's all good."

    Wittenberg was questioned several times about the drop and the ball flight, which he said was hooking into the water.

    "Yes, for sure, there is no doubt, guys," he said. "The ball crossed where he dropped."
    per ESPN.
    Last edited by NYJ37/12; 05-13-2013 at 12:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digetydog View Post
    If you have ever entered a promotional sweepstakes, you might have noticed the "no purchase necessary" heading somewhere. Why? If you make someone buy something to participate in the sweepstakes, it is an illegal lottery in most states.

    Since season ticket holders have to renew tickets (early) to be entered into the renewal sweepstakes, it is an illegal lottery.


    http://www.santella.com/sweepsta.htm#LEGAL CHECK FOR SWEEPSTAKES AND PROMOTIONS

    http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/arti...8-ef48c86219c2
    You have the choice to pay early, or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dcat View Post
    You are talking out of your arse. Did you not read the fine print?:

    *No Purchase Necessary. Open to recipients of the 2013 Season Ticket Renewal Guide who are legal residents of the 50 U.S. & DC (excluding FL.) who are 18+. Void in FL & where prohibited by law. Starts 9:00AM ET 4/15/13. Ends 11:59PM ET 5/14/13. Restrictions apply. Click here for Official Rules, complete details, & free method of entry.


    Can we DUMP this moronic thread now, please?


    Point #5 of the rules is important. You can not require "consideration". That means purchase. Since it is open to those who have previously made a purchase, the consideration rule is broken.
    The contest (sweepstakes) must be open to all. An age limitation i.e. 18 can be included.
    The basic sweepstakes rules have been in place for a very long time. And yes, as a younger marketing director I ran many sweepstakes.
    I wonder if the Jets registered the sweepstakes where necessary? NY has such a requirement. A complete list of winners MUST be available on request - a law. That might keep the front office busy, mailing those out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palmetto defender View Post
    Point #5 of the rules is important. You can not require "consideration". That means purchase. Since it is open to those who have previously made a purchase, the consideration rule is broken.
    The contest (sweepstakes) must be open to all. An age limitation i.e. 18 can be included.
    The basic sweepstakes rules have been in place for a very long time. And yes, as a younger marketing director I ran many sweepstakes.
    I wonder if the Jets registered the sweepstakes where necessary? NY has such a requirement. A complete list of winners MUST be available on request - a law. That might keep the front office busy, mailing those out.
    NJ has a registration requirement as well. And no purchase was necessary, not even a prior purchase. It was open to all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dcat View Post
    NJ has a registration requirement as well. And no purchase was necessary, not even a prior purchase. It was open to all.


    You can SAY "No purchase necessary" all day long. The Jets probably picked up an entry blank from a shampoo sweepstakes. LOL
    HOWEVER, open to all who have previously purchased is NOT open to all.
    NY also requires a surety bond. NJ does actually not require a registration for this type of consumer sweepstakes.
    No problem though, the fine in NY is only $50k.
    Wonder if they employed a sweepstakes lawyer or sweep firm. Pays to have someone help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palmetto defender View Post
    You can SAY "No purchase necessary" all day long. The Jets probably picked up an entry blank from a shampoo sweepstakes. LOL
    HOWEVER, open to all who have previously purchased is NOT open to all.
    NY also requires a surety bond. NJ does actually not require a registration for this type of consumer sweepstakes.
    No problem though, the fine in NY is only $50k.
    Wonder if they employed a sweepstakes lawyer or sweep firm. Pays to have someone help.
    Last time I ran a sweeps in NJ it was in the mid 1990's. I remember registering it with the state, but it also ran in NY/Ct so maybe it was with them.. And according to the Jets, this sweeps was open to all, not just prior years ticket holders. It doesn't really matter. The OP was incorrect. No purchase was necessary. Plenty of other reasons to criticize the Jets. But not this one. This thread is stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYJ37/12 View Post
    The ball hooked over the red stake and into the water, where he dropped. If you go by what Johnny Miller has to say, dont waste your time, he hates Tiger. The controversy is whether the ball ever flew over the land after it left the tee box. All the shots from that hole initially cross the water then fly over the fairway. Miller suggested that Tiger's ball never flew over the fairway,, he is wrong.

    "I saw it perfectly from the tee," Wittenberg said. "I told him exactly where I thought it crossed, and we all agreed. ... I told him I thought it crossed on the corner of the bunker right where he took his drop, and it's all good."

    Wittenberg was questioned several times about the drop and the ball flight, which he said was hooking into the water.

    "Yes, for sure, there is no doubt, guys," he said. "The ball crossed where he dropped."
    per ESPN.
    there is a frigging video of the actual shot from overhead

    .
    http://uservideos.sma****s.com/video...ther-win-.html


    never hooked a frigging inch

    entered the water from the point directly behind where the frigging water started

    http://uservideos.sma****s.com/video...ther-win-.html


    Johnny Miller is one of his biggest defenders but he said it was an illegal drop immediately


    http://uservideos.sma****s.com/video...ther-win-.html

    Mark Rolfing said the shot didn't cross any land further forward than the beginning of the water

    http://uservideos.sma****s.com/video...ther-win-.html


    look, time to drop this topic

    FACT

    Woods cheated again as he did in the masters.


    Congratulations to that web.com kid who won the Players Championship

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    Quote Originally Posted by sg3 View Post
    there is a frigging video of the actual shot from overhead

    .
    http://uservideos.sma****s.com/video...ther-win-.html


    never hooked a frigging inch

    entered the water from the point directly behind where the frigging water started

    http://uservideos.sma****s.com/video...ther-win-.html


    Johnny Miller is one of his biggest defenders but he said it was an illegal drop immediately


    http://uservideos.sma****s.com/video...ther-win-.html

    Mark Rolfing said the shot didn't cross any land further forward than the beginning of the water

    http://uservideos.sma****s.com/video...ther-win-.html


    look, time to drop this topic

    FACT

    Woods cheated again as he did in the masters.


    Congratulations to that web.com kid who won the Players Championship

    Trying to go by a blimp shot of the tee shot's flight is like trying to determine if a football crossed the goal line with the sideline camera stationed at the 50 yard line.

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    this particular view was directly above where the ball was hit and followed it directly over the water from beginning until it splashed down (never having hooked or crossed the hazard other than at the very beginning of the hazard approximately 200 yards further back than the point where Woods decided he should drop the ball leaving himself a short shot to the green)

    He still made a double bogey -- probably would have been a triple or quad with a legal drop


    http://uservideos.sma****s.com/video...ther-win-.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by sg3 View Post
    this particular view was directly above where the ball was hit and followed it directly over the water from beginning until it splashed down (never having hooked or crossed the hazard other than at the very beginning of the hazard approximately 200 yards further back than the point where Woods decided he should drop the ball leaving himself a short shot to the green)

    He still made a double bogey -- probably would have been a triple or quad with a legal drop


    http://uservideos.sma****s.com/video...ther-win-.html
    How could the camera be "directly above" the tee box and at the same time directly above the entire 300 or so yards the ball traveled?????

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    well, see, it was up in the air over the lake where the camera was focused directly on the tee shot and thus able to follow the ball going directly at it and into the lake without crossing any frigging land other than the bushes about 100 yards from the tee and at the beginning of the lake

    Instead of trying to make a Johnny Cockroach defense for the "down the fairway 280 yards and then hooked into the water" needed to support the spot where Woods decided to drop and give himself a wedge shot to the green, try and actually take a look at the frigging ball flight directly into the water and listen to the announcers as they described the shot when it took place

    Clearly gave himself a nice 200 plus yard mulligan and still made a double

    I feel sorry for the poor web.com Swedish kid that got cheated out of the Players Championship title

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    the first video I posted apparently got taken down so here is a second one of the same shot not crossing any land at all anywhere near where Woods decided to drop his ball


    http://djwattsgolf.com/2013/05/12/ti...with-it-again/

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    Mets do the same thing every year. I guess they found a way to word it so it is legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sg3 View Post
    actually he DID. Clearly the ball never hooked at all or hooked into the water anywhere within 200 yards of where Woods decided to drop it. There is a clear shot taken from the blimp. It crossed the water directly behind the beginning of the water about 75 yards from the tee box. Tiger did his drop about 250-275 yards from the tee box.

    But then again, as he proved at the Masters, those rules things are for other players if you are Tiger Woods


    here's the proof and it's absolute


    http://uservideos.sma****s.com/video...ther-win-.html
    No, they showed it over, during the broadcast and said it was right.

    Makes no matter, the players have the view and make the call. He didn't make it on his own either. It was the right call, had no effect on play either.

    Tiger and plenty of others have gotten the benefit of the doubt with rules infractions, Harringtons mistake led to this. Guys from Palmer to Cink have had plenty of leeway given them. It's not just Tiger.

    Either way, TV replays and fans should never, ever change rulings

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    Quote Originally Posted by sg3 View Post
    the first video I posted apparently got taken down so here is a second one of the same shot not crossing any land at all anywhere near where Woods decided to drop his ball


    http://djwattsgolf.com/2013/05/12/ti...with-it-again/
    1. The angle of the shot, it's not directly above will always leave you without a true read of the path the ball took. The video is pointless.

    2. They conveniently shut the NBC feed right before the replay where Miller and Jacobson agree that the drop was proper.

    3. It was agreed on by his partner.

    4. Read the comments, these guys are morons, blaming everyone for a vast conspiracy.

    Love a room of Jack fans crying whenever Tiger proves he's the best to ever play the game.

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