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  1. #21
    Good post, I like Glennon too and think we'd need to use our 2nd round pick if he lasts that long. Here is the NFL.com article:

    Mike Glennon grades out as a future NFL franchise quarterback

    By Bucky Brooks
    Analyst, NFL.com and NFL Network
    Published: March 21, 2013 at 02:27 p.m. Updated: March 22, 2013 at 03:18 p.m. 118 Likes | 0 Comments
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    RALEIGH, N.C. -- Mike Glennon is a franchise quarterback.

    That statement certainly will draw the ire of evaluators with a lesser opinion of the North Carolina State product, but my experience in the NFL as a player and scout leads me to believe Glennon possesses all of the traits to be an effective starting quarterback as a pro.


    Measuring in at 6-foot-6, 222 pounds with A-plus arm talent, Glennon is a prototypical pocket passer -- the kind that dominated the NFL in the 1990s and still flourishes today. He is at his best when working off five- and seven-step drops in the pocket, delivering accurate strikes to receivers on intermediate and deep routes. Whereas some quarterbacks are most comfortable piling up completions on a variety of dink-and-dunk throws, Glennon is the master of the pro throw, pushing the ball downfield on deep comebacks, square-ins and post-corner routes. Additionally, he excels at throwing vertical routes following strong play-action fakes in the backfield.

    When I watch Glennon, I see glimpses of Baltimore Ravens QB Joe Flacco. These observations stood out to me while I studied six of Glennons's game tapes from 2012 (Tennessee, Miami, Florida State, North Carolina, Clemson and Vanderbilt). I also traveled to Raleigh, N.C., on Wednesday to observe Glennon's pro day in person. Here's a complete breakdown of what I saw, both on tape and on the practice field:

    Arm Talent
    To earn a blue-chip grade in the minds of most scouts, a quarterback must display exceptional arm strength, velocity and zip consistently during his play. Glennon has all of that and might be the most gifted passer in the 2013 class. He has the capacity to make every throw in the book with zip or touch. He doesn't have any problem making rope throws to the outside portion of the field from the opposite hash. (This is the ultimate test of a quarterback's arm strength, and Glennon passes with flying colors.) In addition, he shows the ability to push the ball down the field 50-plus yards with superb touch and ball placement. Glennon understands how to change the trajectory of deep throws to provide receivers with enough time to run underneath his high-arcing rainbows. Given the fact that most offensive coordinators covet a quarterback with natural passing skills, Glennon's raw talent puts him right in the conversation as a high pick.

    Mobility
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    One of the biggest knocks on Glennon is his lack of athleticism and mobility within the pocket. Critics suggest he's a sitting duck in the pocket, making it easy for NFL pass rushers to hunt him down off the edges. Moreover, critics wonder if Glennon has the ability to slide, avoid and step up to deliver accurate strikes within a collapsing pocket. Given the need for NFL quarterbacks to routinely make strong throws within a muddy pocket, the questions about Glennon's athleticism and mobility are warranted. When I watch Glennon perform on tape, I believe he displays better maneuverability than he gets credit for. While he lacks the quickness and agility to consistently avoid rushers in the pocket, I saw several instances where he would step up to deliver accurate throws against pressure. Now, these occurrences are not enough for me to upgrade his athletic assessment, but I've seen limited athletes like Drew Bledsoe, Vinny Testaverde and Matt Ryan thrive from within the pocket. I'm not concerned about Glennon's ability to make strong throws from a seven-yard launch point behind the center.

    Decision Making
    Another area of concern regarding Glennon's game is his penchant for turnovers. He tossed 29 interceptions over the past two seasons, including 17 picks in 2012. Although those numbers certainly stand out on the stat sheet, it is important to note that Glennon attempted 1,017 passes in his 26 career starts. That breaks down to 39.1 attempts per game, which is a lot to ask of a quarterback in a vertical passing attack with a number of high-risk throws.

    As I broke down the tape in search of an explanation for Glennon's alarming interception total, I noticed that most of his turnovers were the result of poor footwork leading to errant throws from the pocket. When Glennon fails to set his feet or properly step into his throws, his balls sail woefully off target. Additionally, he took too many chances attempting to squeeze balls into tight windows over the middle of the field. While some turnovers are expected in a high-risk offense, the fact that Glennon can reduce his miscues from the pocket with better footwork and mechanics is encouraging. Now, he must find a way to take some of the instruction that he receives from coaches and put it into practice on the field. Truthfully, every quarterback in the 2013 class must refine an area of his game to become a productive first-year starter. Glennon is definitely in that boat.

    Clutch Factor

    Quarterbacks must be able to inspire confidence in their teammates by playing well in key moments. From executing flawless drives in two-minute situations to connecting on critical third-down plays in pivotal situations, the top quarterbacks in the NFL thrive under pressure. Glennon strikes me as a player who plays well in big games. This was particularly evident when I watched him lead his squad back from deficits against Florida State and North Carolina. He was outstanding in the UNC game, rallying his team from a 25-7 deficit. He finished the game completing 29 of 52 passes for 462 yards with five touchdowns and two interceptions. If not for the fact that his receivers dropped 11 balls in that contest, Glennon might have tossed for 500-plus yards (and the Wolfpack might have won, as opposed to losing in heartbreaking fashion).

    Against Florida State, Glennon directed his troops back from an early 16-0 deficit to knock off the Seminoles at Carter-Finley Stadium. In doing so, he connected on 30 of 55 passes for 259 yards with two touchdowns, including the game winner with two seconds remaining on the clock. Most importantly, he converted three fourth-down passes, including one inside the 15-yard line on the game-winning drive. Given the importance of playing well in key moments, Glennon's display of poise and composure in the clutch suggests to me that he possesses the right mental makeup to be successful in the NFL.

    Workout Evaluation
    As I mentioned on "Path to the Draft", Glennon's workout wasn't your typical scripted performance designed to mask a quarterback's deficiencies. The N.C. State star primarily threw intermediate or vertical throws throughout the workout. From a series of deep comebacks and post-corners to a variety of deep crossers, posts and go-routes down the field, Glennon let it fly in front of 38 coaches and scouts (including Buffalo Bills assistant general manager Doug Whaley and New York Jets offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg). He showcased exceptional arm strength and talent in a challenging workout that featured every conceivable throw in a playbook deeply rooted in West Coast offense concepts or three-digit passing-game principles.

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    Moreover, the workout allowed evaluators to see him making throws that are customarily reserved for NFL quarterbacks on Sundays. This did not go unnoticed by the scouts in attendance. Following the pro day, I talked to several who left impressed with the structure of the workout and Glennon's performance on the day. Although he missed a handful of throws on intermediate routes, he showed a capacity to make line-drive throws through a slight headwind. For teams located in climates where the weather plays a factor near the end of the season (New York Jets, Buffalo Bills and Cleveland Browns, in particular), Glennon's ability to execute in those unfavorable conditions will carry weight in the final evaluation.

    So, what about potential concerns from the workout? Well, there are still questions about Glennon's ability to make accurate throws out of rhythm. By that, I mean he must continue to demonstrate to coaches and scouts that he can drop back, move to his right or left, reset his feet and deliver precision passes down the field. In the NFL, the pocket routinely breaks down and elite quarterbacks find a way to maneuver and make accurate throws. Glennon's limited athleticism could lead to some issues at the next level; he must continue to refine his footwork, agility and body control to ensure consistent throws from the pocket.

    Finally, Glennon must convince coaches and scouts he has the right personality to take charge in the locker room. Franchise quarterbacks must be able to inspire confidence in their teammates through their performance and verbal prodding. Even quiet leaders like Eli Manning and Joe Flacco have to step up and hold their teammates accountable by challenging them in one-on-one or small-group confrontations. Evaluators still have concerns about whether Glennon possesses that take-charge personality. When I asked Glennon about this following the workout, he pointed to the leadership styles of Manning and Flacco as examples of how he envisions his personality evolving at the next level. Furthermore, he told me to ask his teammates if they believed he had the moxie to be a leader at the highest level. If Glennon can convince enough personnel men that he is capable of leading a team in the right direction, he certainly can build a case to be one of the top quarterbacks selected in the draft.

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    I've been one of Mike Glennon's biggest fans since the middle of last season. I believe he has all the physical tools that you covet at the position. I respect his intelligence (Glennon obtained a master's degree in liberal arts to accompany an undergraduate degree in business administration) and football savvy. I believe he is a second-round talent with the ability to emerge as a star in the right system.

    In my opinion, the right system should consist of a philosophy that features a dominant downhill running game complemented by a vertical passing attack. From a personnel standpoint, it will be important for the team that acquires Glennon to have a workhorse running back in place to facilitate an effective play-action passing game. If I had to point to a blueprint for success, I'd focus on the Atlanta Falcons' development of Matt Ryan. Thomas Dimitroff provided his franchise quarterback with multiple threats in the passing game and surrounded him with a solid offensive line. If a franchise is willing to do the same for Glennon, he could also emerge as a franchise quarterback capable of leading a team into the postseason.

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  2. #22
    Not interested in this guy before the 3rd round even then if an impact player like Knile Davis were there I'd refer the latter

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    Lets see... we passed on Mallet a few years ago to get a less talented, less strong, less accurate, thinner QB. Makes sense if your a jet CEO I guess.

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    what is this arm talent bull**** with Glennon? He has a slow, awkward delivery and isn't accurate. His arm strength is good, but so is Tebows. Sanchez' problem was NEVER arm strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazorJet View Post
    Lets see... we passed on Mallet a few years ago to get a less talented, less strong, less accurate, thinner QB. Makes sense if your a jet CEO I guess.
    When Mallet came out we thought Sanchez would be our franchise QB. You can't compare the two situations.

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    God I love Mallet...

    What I wouldn`t do for that guy right now... Of fcking course he's on the ONE team we can't get him from.

  7. #27
    Agree with OP and Bucky Brooks....really like Mike Glennon.Some of the comments about him here are pure wtf

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    Zac

    how would ya'll feel about maybe Zac Dysert sometime after the 3rd?

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    If he is there for us in the 2nd I think it is a no brainer we have to take him. With all the Manuel hype maybe he drops but I doubt it. SF, Zona, or Jax will take him before us if he is still there. Too good of a talent for us to be that lucky.

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    Tyler Bray in the 3rd round.



    Get er done Idzy.



    : )




    ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chupa View Post
    what is this arm talent bull**** with Glennon? He has a slow, awkward delivery and isn't accurate. His arm strength is good, but so is Tebows. Sanchez' problem was NEVER arm strength.
    His deep accuracy was always a joke. Yeah he can get it up there but Tebow may have a better deep ball. Or at least has better confidence in it. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankeejet22 View Post
    Tyler Bray in the 3rd round.



    Get er done Idzy.



    : )




    ....
    I like Brey as a talent but no one is taking him that early. Even as a BU he could be bad for the locker room. You will see a team that already has a great leader at QB take Brey in like the 5th round IMO. Watch he will be the #3 in Denver or in Dallas behind Romo if the keep him.

  13. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Monsterxman View Post
    I know this is not a popular pick for our future QB, but before you simply bash the thought of Glennon, letís look at some things from a clear, unbiased perspective.

    Glennon has prototypical size and arm talent for the Meadowlands. I donít know about you, but Iím tired of QBís who donít measure up physically. Pennington, Clemens, and even Sanchez didnít have the ideal arm talent/strength necessary to succeed. The last Jets QB who could make all the throws (including the deep out) was Vinnie.
    s.
    So did Browning Nagle how did that work out?

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    http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_...?v=7QXPb3WoNvI

    Does this look like a NFL QB or a taller version of Sanchez?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMo View Post
    If you want a guy with arm talent and pretty raw why not go with Bray? He is way better than Glennon if you ask me. As far as upside for a flier pick, he's gotta be the choice. Never get the love for Glennon over a guy like Bray.
    Go look at the teams Bray played... Troy, georgia state, Acron, Kentucky, Missouri... Terrible (1 win mostly) teams that he padded his stats against - 2k yards, 21 Tds, just 1 int...

    Furthermore, people like to bash Glennon for playing poorly vs. Vanderbilt...
    Go look at what Bray did against that same vandy team. One of the worst days any college qb had all year.

    The final kicker is that people say Bray is a real major a-hole...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjets1969 View Post
    http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_...?v=7QXPb3WoNvI

    Does this look like a NFL QB or a taller version of Sanchez?
    NFL QB... But you need to look at the coverage on his guys (FS had one of the very best defenses last year), finished top 6....

    Look at these throws:
    1:15
    3:19
    3:40
    7:32
    9:45
    10:11

    He's either hitting guys in stride, or completing passes with defenders draped on his guy...

    Down 16-0 in late in the 3rd, he rallies team for 17-16 victory...
    Made some absolutely great clutch throws in that game too.
    Including 2 4th down conversions on the game winning drive - one of them being a 4th and 10...

    If you want to bash him fine, but this is the equivalent of Sanchez playing against the Ravens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjets1969 View Post
    So did Browning Nagle how did that work out?
    Terrible, but what does the 2100 yard - 16 td, 10 int, 55% Nagle have to do with Glennon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamers View Post
    His deep accuracy was always a joke. Yeah he can get it up there but Tebow may have a better deep ball. Or at least has better confidence in it. lol
    Exactly, and do you know what the scouts say Glennon is the best in this entire class at (and it's not even close), his deep ball accuracy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monsterxman View Post
    I know this is not a popular pick for our future QB, but before you simply bash the thought of Glennon, letís look at some things from a clear, unbiased perspective.

    Glennon has prototypical size and arm talent for the Meadowlands. I donít know about you, but Iím tired of QBís who donít measure up physically. Pennington, Clemens, and even Sanchez didnít have the ideal arm talent/strength necessary to succeed. The last Jets QB who could make all the throws (including the deep out) was Vinnie.

    The Giants have their own version of Vinnie in Eli Manning.
    The big power thrower forces teams to cover the entire field. When you have an average/weak armed QB, CBís sit on routes and thatís when you get pick 6ísÖ

    Also donít think for a 2nd that Flacco +Eliís playoff successes are not weighing on teams. Glennon is the closest thing in this draft to those guys.

    Glennon shows maturity off the field. He completed his 4 year degree in Finance and also went to school every summer so he could graduate with a Masters. Dumb guys donít this. Lazy guys donít do this. Driven guys do this.

    Listen to his interviews. The kid has a good head on his shoulders and says heís driven to succeed in the NFL. When Iíve heard Sanchez say this in the past, it always sounded scriptedÖ I never believed it. I believe this kid. I also consider it a bonus that heís not some playboy looking dude who is always on the prowl for the next hot girl to date. Heís like Manning and it more concerned with football than photo shoots.

    He played in a West Coast Offense in college which means the terminology + understanding of the system place him ahead of most of the other QBís in this draft. Thereís no projecting, ďHow does this guy fit a WCO?ĒÖ
    We know he can do it.

    Also our new OC believes in setting up a good short passing game then taking chances down field (vertical passing game - huge chunks on big plays). No other QB in this draft is a better fit for this style of offense.

    Russell Wilson, was no better statistically (including completion %, which people like to harp on Glennon about) in this same offense in college and looks tremendous as a pro.

    Hereís a nice write up of Glennon, watch the videoís tooÖ
    http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap10...se-quarterback

    This kid is pretty much a perfect fit to what the Jets want to do. The Eagles had the same OC and who was the last QB they drafted? Foles.

    Think about itÖ this makes a ton of sense on all levels.
    Think those criticism are a bit off base regarding Sanchez and Clemens. The arm strength of those two players was never an issue. I can't recall one time where, on Sanchez' numerous mistakes, I ever heard someone rip him due to arm strength. The problem with both players seemed to be mental. Sanchez as we know has been wrecked and quite possibly never had what it took to begin with, but physically he could make the throws. Clemens head was destroyed after playing behind one of the worst offensive lines we've ever seen on the Jets in 2007, but again, don't really think anything arm-related was an issue with him either.
    Last edited by unchartedm0nkey; 03-25-2013 at 09:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by capoliver View Post
    how would ya'll feel about maybe Zac Dysert sometime after the 3rd?
    for what it's worth - Tony P shot down Zac as an option for the Jets. I can't say whether he was expressing his own opinion or relaying the brass's. Tony speaks in code - so take of that what you will.

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