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    Quote Originally Posted by rmeyer52 View Post
    It seems that a lot of players are getting cut around the NFL due to the cap situation and that days of really big player contracts maybe coming to an end. Even though Flaco signed a $120 million deal he could still be cut after a couple of years.

    To me it's how much is enough ? I mean if you're making $10-$20 million isn't that enough to live on for the rest of your life ? The cap seems to be hurting the players a hell of a lot more than I thought
    Well it does put presents under the tree and gives me money for teeth I lose. Yes, I do believe in the cap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmeyer52 View Post
    It seems that a lot of players are getting cut around the NFL due to the cap situation and that days of really big player contracts maybe coming to an end. Even though Flaco signed a $120 million deal he could still be cut after a couple of years.

    To me it's how much is enough ? I mean if you're making $10-$20 million isn't that enough to live on for the rest of your life ? The cap seems to be hurting the players a hell of a lot more than I thought
    I don't think it really matters what we think.

    The owners wanted this. It's always had widespread support. The players even ratified it.

    The NFLPA thought it was a good thing because it would create more jobs because more teams would pop up. And actually 4 teams have since the inception of the salary cap, Jacksonville, Carolina, Cleveland, and Houston. Am I missing any?

    Any way, the owners like it because it would insure the stability of the league. Does anybody have any doubt that if the salary cap and revenue sharing went away that the Green Bay Packers would likely disappear?

    I'm not so sure I believe that based on their storied history, but it makes a lot of sense to the owners. That's really all that matters.

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    The NFL salary cap is the greatest thing in sports, the 2nd best thing is non-guaranteed contracts. While it subjects fans to losing icons or talented players like Milloy, Law, Seymour, and Samuel it gives fans of other teams hope that even if their FO is not talented enough to find and develop those players the talent pool is leveled out by a fixed mechanism. And what now is even better there is a hard floor where the Bengals and Cards have to spend some of the millions that they make on the product for the fans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lamont_jordan_rules View Post
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    Baseball's problem has far more to do with the lack of a salary floor than the lack of a salary cap.

    There are 6 teams that aren't spend 60% of the league average of MLB Payroll.

    Some of those teams have been below 50% of the league average for more than a decade. People can blame the Yankees (and Red Sox, Dodgers, Angels, and Mets) all they want. But the real problem with MLB are teams like the Pirates, Rays, Padres, and Royals who never really invest in their team.

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    Get rid of the cap and the draft and contracts should be maxed out at 1 year. Let the players and the owners have real free agency.

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    To paraphrase from elsewhere...

    The salary cap is the worst system around which to organize a professional sports league....

    Except for every other system that has ever been tried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batmans A Scientist View Post
    Baseball's problem has far more to do with the lack of a salary floor than the lack of a salary cap.

    There are 6 teams that aren't spend 60% of the league average of MLB Payroll.

    Some of those teams have been below 50% of the league average for more than a decade. People can blame the Yankees (and Red Sox, Dodgers, Angels, and Mets) all they want. But the real problem with MLB are teams like the Pirates, Rays, Padres, and Royals who never really invest in their team.
    No, When 3/4 of the teams in the league have 1/2 the revenue of the other 1/4 you think that is a viable model for competition? I don't. The red sux and Yankees and their ilk can sign a 20 mill a year ballplayer, have him be a dud and still field a competitive team. When was the last time the Yankees lost a FA because they could not afford to pay him? Or the red sox? When some teams can sign whowever they want and keep whoever they want and other teams can't it is not equal competition on the field.

    Invest in their team like if they spend 50 more mill in salary they will get 50 more mill in gate reciepts or TV revenue. Do you really believe that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EM31 View Post
    To paraphrase from elsewhere...

    The salary cap is the worst system around which to organize a professional sports league....

    Except for every other system that has ever been tried.
    Nonesense. Without the cap we would have less teams and less teams would ultimately mean a much better product. You got a league with 5 to 10 good QB's to spread around 32 teams. The strong survive and the game would be better.

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    The real reasons for the NFL's success are:


    1) 16 game schedule

    2) Only playing games on Sunday and Monday (and now Thursday)



    16 games is an exceptionally small sample size. It means that a team like the Chiefs from a few years ago can squeak into the playoffs. It means that the Cardinals fans had hope through half of the season because they came flying out of the gate. It also means that you're never playing more than half of the teams in the league, and every couple years you get an easy schedule that makes your team look better than it really is.


    More importantly, all of the games are played pretty much at once. You see your local team play, and you get the 2 big national games on Sundays. If you don't live in Cleveland or St. Louis, you'll never have to sit through a Browns v. Rams matchup. It hides the bad football while showcasing the good. Almost no one saw that abomination we played against Arizona last year. This is why the NFL shouldn't go beyond Thursday Night Football. There aren't enough good matchups to support 4 quality national TV games for most weeks (Sunday afternoon, SNF, MNF, TNF).

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB1089 View Post
    The real reasons for the NFL's success are:


    1) 16 game schedule

    2) Only playing games on Sunday and Monday (and now Thursday)



    16 games is an exceptionally small sample size. It means that a team like the Chiefs from a few years ago can squeak into the playoffs. It means that the Cardinals fans had hope through half of the season because they came flying out of the gate. It also means that you're never playing more than half of the teams in the league, and every couple years you get an easy schedule that makes your team look better than it really is.


    More importantly, all of the games are played pretty much at once. You see your local team play, and you get the 2 big national games on Sundays. If you don't live in Cleveland or St. Louis, you'll never have to sit through a Browns v. Rams matchup. It hides the bad football while showcasing the good. Almost no one saw that abomination we played against Arizona last year. This is why the NFL shouldn't go beyond Thursday Night Football. There aren't enough good matchups to support 4 quality national TV games for most weeks (Sunday afternoon, SNF, MNF, TNF).


    What are you watching? Red Zone Channel is where it's at. Even crappy teams have highlights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASG0531 View Post
    What are you watching? Red Zone Channel is where it's at. Even crappy teams have highlights.
    Hardcore fans watch the Red Zone channel. Every sport has hardcore fans. That's not where the money is.

    The ratings for Thursday Night Football are a fraction of those for the broadcast network Sunday games, and there are far more people with NFLN than the Red Zone channel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    Nonesense. Without the cap we would have less teams and less teams would ultimately mean a much better product. You got a league with 5 to 10 good QB's to spread around 32 teams. The strong survive and the game would be better.
    Not really interested in a 6 team league. Why not 4? Or even just 2 in that case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batmans A Scientist View Post
    Baseball's problem has far more to do with the lack of a salary floor than the lack of a salary cap.

    sorry bro, disagree

    sucks on both ends ... but you'd be crying your eyes out about the injustice if you don't root for one of the top 10 or so wealthiest teams





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    Quote Originally Posted by patman View Post
    No, When 3/4 of the teams in the league have 1/2 the revenue of the other 1/4 you think that is a viable model for competition? I don't. The red sux and Yankees and their ilk can sign a 20 mill a year ballplayer, have him be a dud and still field a competitive team. When was the last time the Yankees lost a FA because they could not afford to pay him? Or the red sox? When some teams can sign whowever they want and keep whoever they want and other teams can't it is not equal competition on the field.

    Invest in their team like if they spend 50 more mill in salary they will get 50 more mill in gate reciepts or TV revenue. Do you really believe that.
    Which is why the NFL has revenue sharing which keeps the small teams afloat. You can't have one without the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    Nonesense. Without the cap we would have less teams and less teams would ultimately mean a much better product. You got a league with 5 to 10 good QB's to spread around 32 teams. The strong survive and the game would be better.
    The NHL era with 6 total teams must have been the best of all time in any sport regarding total talent per team

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trades View Post
    Which is why the NFL has revenue sharing which keeps the small teams afloat. You can't have one without the other.
    exactly, telling small market teams to spend money they don't have is useless, just because an owner pockets 25 mill and doesn't put it into the team is not a reason to let 8 teams outspend the remaining 20 or so teams.

    Add up all the salaries of the payers divide it by the number of teams and make the floor 75% of that and the max 25% more. Have revenue sharing to the floor and then let the big market teams keep the rest.

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    The flat salary cap makes the rebuilding process 3+ years for the Jets. Afraid the Bills may surpass..............5 to 6 wins in '13 & '14. Sanchez's replacement will begin to turn things around in '15.

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