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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by JetPotato View Post
    Do you never tire of telling us how much harder you have it then the rest of us?
    Dude makes 40K a year, I feel sorry for him...























    Hopefully the bait is taken...

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by JetPotato View Post
    Do you never tire of telling us how much harder you have it then the rest of us?
    Never have I stated that I have it more difficult than anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite View Post
    Dude makes 40K a year, I feel sorry for him...

    Hopefully the bait is taken...
    Taken

    Bro, where have you been? Dont you watch FOX NEWS? They have "real" data that proves that teachers are actually wealthier than the wealthiest Americans. You see if you actually add up their salaries and divide it by the number of days they actually work, then add their pensions and health benefits they are actually wealthier than Bloomberg, Bush, and Murdoch together.

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    I don't teachers are the hyper-sloths some make them out to be, or saintly martyrs others portray them as. Frankly, it's one of the last jobs I would want to do. Unruly ADD brats and their mouth breather parents? No thanks.

    I seethe when I read about the NYC rubber room, and when I see stories about pedo-teachers. The fact that their salaries come from tax payer money and they have prolonged access to kids makes the stories about the turds more salient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by copernicus View Post
    Where did you get your information from?

    FOX NEWS?

    The REPUBLICAN PARTY?

    TESTING COMPANIES?

    Its information like this that has vilified every teacher across the country and more importantly CRUSHED the needed trust between teacher and student for learning to occur.

    I invite you to visit a public school for ONE day and see how much is asked of a teacher. See how many periods they stand in front of kids in ridiculously over crowded classrooms. It is closer to 6 periods out of 8 rather than 4. ONE prep and ONE period for lunch which is now a working period.

    Then check how many times in a year, every year, the structure and skills in a lesson plan is changed and changed again by people outside of the class room.

    I cant even begin to tell you how wrong you are, but then again, what would you know, you listen to what is spoken about on the news. The same news that is owned by people like Ruppurt Murdock, Bloomberg, and the people of FOX who have a huge agenda about breaking all unions.

    BTW, cops, firemen, and sanitation have the same amount of vacation days as teachers and they get to choose when they want to take THEIR vacation as opposed to a teacher who HAS to take it when it is scheduled.
    Fox News? Republican Party? What the heck are you talking about!

    I got my info from you. 180 Days is in your title, although that number is as ingrained into taxpayers brains as the 162 games in baseball. The hours came from you as well.

    When I talk about "free" periods I meant free from teaching not free to do nothing. I am sorry that since NCLB you now have to use that time preparing for class instead of coffee clotching with your fellow teachers.

    Then, on top of that, you have to endure meetings with management during your day! MEETINGS? Are they kidding? And preparing STATUS REPORTS? Wow! You HAVE it really hard. You should strike. Again.

    And overcrowded classrooms! And yet when I went to Catholic school there were 50 kids in a class and the Nuns had no problem. I guess they had a crappy union.

    The problem is not Fox News or the Republicans. The problem is that you have always lived in your academia bubble and have gobbled up all of the teachers union propaganda about how you have it so tough.

    News Flash! You have a guaranteed job for life. Then you want no accountability. Evaluated by graduation rates? Nope. Test scores? No, can't have that.

    You get raises not by merit but by attending graduate school. Classes about your supposed area of expertise? No, any class will do. You just need the credit count.

    In today's world of 401Ks, you have a pension.

    AND,as the title says, you work 180 days a year. And you still complain.

    People in the real world laugh and shake their heads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetPotato View Post
    Do you never tire of telling us how much harder you have it then the rest of us?
    lol. It must get tiring for ole' copernicus to climb all the way up on that cross each day.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by GandWFan View Post
    Test papers, essays, and daily lesson plans can easily happen during the school day. You are NOT in the classroom from 8am until 3:20. There are free periods designed for just that sort of work. And if you have taught the same class before, you can re-use lesson plans and test from previous years. The material does not change that much.

    Workshops and higher education are part of all knowledge workers jobs. The only difference is that non-teachers have to study real subjects, not basket weaving and bubble gum chewing, just to accumulate credits for their automatic raises.

    And you are correct. 8am to 3:20pm is 7 and2/3rds hrs per day. Of course, that includes lunch and all free periods. I could be wrong, but I think that city HS and JHS teachers actually teach in front of students 4 periods a day. That would be approximately 3 hrs per day of actual teaching.

    But let's go with your number. Still just over 38 hrs a week, for 36 weeks a year. That would be almost 1380 hrs per year.

    Most knowledge workers these days are working 10 hr days, but again, lets use the 9 - 5 8 hr day for comparison. Of the 52 weeks, most people have 10 holidays, so we are down to 50 weeks. Most people start at 2 weeks vacation, but let's throw in an extra week for an average worker, so we are down to 47 weeks. 47 weeks times 40 hours per week = 1880 hrs per year.

    The difference is a little over 500 hrs, or 12.5 weeks, per year. As a percentage, teachers work approximately 26% less than a 9-5 job. Which, btw, don't exist. 9-5 jobs in the private sector have gone the way of the dinosaur.

    Of course this 73% part time job has other perks as well. YOU CAN"T GET FIRED. No pressure. Even if you molest a child, they only move you out of the classroom SO YOU DON"T HAVE TO TEACH AT ALL!

    So please stop crying about your guaranteed part-time job. Those of us who work for a living and pay for your unions excessive demands take offense.
    Amen Brother!!!! Couple of things you neglected to mention here though. The teachers also get plenty of sick days and vacation days within the 180 they are supposed to be working. On top of that the salary + benefits of a union teacher (particularly in the blue state areas) greatly exceeds full time private sector workers. Here in Rockland county an average teacher with 10 years experience brings in over 100K in salary and close to 60K in additional benefits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GandWFan View Post
    Fox News? Republican Party? What the heck are you talking about!

    I got my info from you. 180 Days is in your title, although that number is as ingrained into taxpayers brains as the 162 games in baseball. The hours came from you as well.

    When I talk about "free" periods I meant free from teaching not free to do nothing. I am sorry that since NCLB you now have to use that time preparing for class instead of coffee clotching with your fellow teachers.

    Then, on top of that, you have to endure meetings with management during your day! MEETINGS? Are they kidding? And preparing STATUS REPORTS? Wow! You HAVE it really hard. You should strike. Again.

    And overcrowded classrooms! And yet when I went to Catholic school there were 50 kids in a class and the Nuns had no problem. I guess they had a crappy union.

    The problem is not Fox News or the Republicans. The problem is that you have always lived in your academia bubble and have gobbled up all of the teachers union propaganda about how you have it so tough.

    News Flash! You have a guaranteed job for life. Then you want no accountability. Evaluated by graduation rates? Nope. Test scores? No, can't have that.

    You get raises not by merit but by attending graduate school. Classes about your supposed area of expertise? No, any class will do. You just need the credit count.

    In today's world of 401Ks, you have a pension.

    AND,as the title says, you work 180 days a year. And you still complain.

    People in the real world laugh and shake their heads.
    I agree with much of what you say.... however, here in the south and in many parts of the country teachers are treated like 2nd class citizens. Good teachers work hard and are without question emotionally drained by the work. I see it all the time here in the south. Balance that with my buddy the LI teacher who made 140K last year and will retire at 55 with a 110K pension (google Mt Sinai teacher salary) BUT ... here is one example.

    Client of mine lost his business and he is a smart guy. Took a math teacher position as here in the south the pay is so low, there are openings.
    Many of the the kids come to school hungry and in simple need of adult attention. One kid, took his photo and posted it on his IPAD and made a "NUDE' shot of the teacher on photoshop all while he was teaching.

    the student then showed all the kids "Nude Mr Smith". I couldn't imagine trying to teach and yet then be judged on MY ability while these kids do $hit like that while I am trying to teach.

    Always 2 sides to every story.

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    The one thing I think that is a little unfair is how a teachers can home after a long day at work, flip on the TV and hear how ****ty "they" all are over and over.

    The nightly news never slams how ****ty CPAs are, even though we all know they hardly do any work, its all entering number on a computer now, AMIRITE?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FF2 View Post
    The one thing I think that is a little unfair is how a teachers can home after a long day at work, flip on the TV and hear how ****ty "they" all are over and over.

    The nightly news never slams how ****ty CPAs are, even though we all know they hardly do any work, its all entering number on a computer now, AMIRITE?
    I thought my post supported your position Seriously.

    I can't win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southparkcpa View Post
    I thought my post supported your position Seriously.

    I can't win.
    LOLz...How the hell do you find time to post on March 29th...are you REALLY a CPA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by southparkcpa View Post
    I agree with much of what you say.... however, here in the south and in many parts of the country teachers are treated like 2nd class citizens. Good teachers work hard and are without question emotionally drained by the work. I see it all the time here in the south. Balance that with my buddy the LI teacher who made 140K last year and will retire at 55 with a 110K pension (google Mt Sinai teacher salary) BUT ... here is one example.

    Client of mine lost his business and he is a smart guy. Took a math teacher position as here in the south the pay is so low, there are openings.
    Many of the the kids come to school hungry and in simple need of adult attention. One kid, took his photo and posted it on his IPAD and made a "NUDE' shot of the teacher on photoshop all while he was teaching.

    the student then showed all the kids "Nude Mr Smith". I couldn't imagine trying to teach and yet then be judged on MY ability while these kids do $hit like that while I am trying to teach.

    Always 2 sides to every story.
    Great post SP, not surprised.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by FF2 View Post
    LOLz...How the hell do you find time to post on March 29th...are you REALLY a CPA?
    In all seriousness...I am killing myself but biz is very good. Here in the south , Good friday is like a high Holy Day in NY for jews. Business is almost at a stand still. As it should be IMO.

    Enjoy my friend. Go JETS!

  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by FF2 View Post
    Frankly I've posted it over and over, what teachers actually do. My wife is a teacher do I have first hand knowledge. I'm sure the others are sick of it but heres a few....

    Teachers have ZERO "free periods"

    She starts with bus duty at 7:30 a.m and gets home usually around 4:30 after clubs (which she doesn't get paid to do).

    Teachers bring work home, sometimes 3 hrs worth, including ENDLESS paperwork now that "data" seems to be all the range. You simply would not believe the amount of data she needs to provide for each child/

    And the old myth that they cant be fired is so mis-leading. Three teachers in out system were fired this year. Most teachers LOVE dumping bad teachers.

    You would also be shocked at some parents today...all their kids are so special.

    Are summers off great? They sure are, (although she also teaches in the summer...her choice) and her benefits are great. But we all make career choice and there are plusses and minuses.

    She doesn't whine about it. She doesn't complain about pay, it is what it is. She didn't get into it for the money, but she also didn't get into it to be bashed. But I wish people had a more realistic picture.

    Suggest you wife find a new district. I'm sorry she doesn't get to eat lunch, that's really bad. Or get paid for being a extra curricular moderator. Cheap district. When my kids were in school, teachers got an extra stipend.
    And who monitors study halls? The little kiddies are unattended? Must be a wild school. Get her out before she starves or bad things happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite View Post
    Dude makes 40K a year, I feel sorry for him...























    Hopefully the bait is taken...
    That's his TAKE HOME. After taxes and a deduction for a savings program. LOL

  16. #36
    Lets me try and respond;

    180 School Days was a 2 part documentary of an inner city school in DC and all the issues it faces. Cut to the chase, in the end, the new school reform that our country is implementing spear headed by GW Bush's NCLB used junk data to fire and shut down a school of educators including the principal who were dedicated, kind, caring, and intelligent people.

    Teachers have been evaluated for ever by their superiors just like every job in America. Teachers can be fired for their actions, they just cant be fired unjustly. There is a due process system.

    The current evaluating system that the government wants to use is simply unfair. Using test scores from exams created by the same group that wants to rid themselves of salaries seems to be a conflict of interest. School is so much more than tests but now, its all that its become. My special ed class has cancelled all talent classes including music and phys ed to prepare for the state exam. Its too much when we all ready had testing in place with state standardized exams like regents and SATs.

    We aloud big business and government infiltrate our school system and it has had a detrimental affect on the next generation of workers.


    I really wish that more of you guys watched the documentary. Its more about hard working people across America in our school system who are being railroaded by government. If you get the chance, watch 180 school days on PBS. I think it sheds light on how ridiculous it was to allow people like Bush and Bloomberg have so much power when it comes to our children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by copernicus View Post
    Lets me try and respond;

    180 School Days was a 2 part documentary of an inner city school in DC and all the issues it faces. Cut to the chase, in the end, the new school reform that our country is implementing spear headed by GW Bush's NCLB used junk data to fire and shut down a school of educators including the principal who were dedicated, kind, caring, and intelligent people.

    Teachers have been evaluated for ever by their superiors just like every job in America. Teachers can be fired for their actions, they just cant be fired unjustly. There is a due process system.

    The current evaluating system that the government wants to use is simply unfair. Using test scores from exams created by the same group that wants to rid themselves of salaries seems to be a conflict of interest. School is so much more than tests but now, its all that its become. My special ed class has cancelled all talent classes including music and phys ed to prepare for the state exam. Its too much when we all ready had testing in place with state standardized exams like regents and SATs.

    We aloud big business and government infiltrate our school system and it has had a detrimental affect on the next generation of workers.


    I really wish that more of you guys watched the documentary. Its more about hard working people across America in our school system who are being railroaded by government. If you get the chance, watch 180 school days on PBS. I think it sheds light on how ridiculous it was to allow people like Bush and Bloomberg have so much power when it comes to our children.

    You obviously have a crappy school. No different than a crappy company.
    My experience is different than yours. My elementary education was CONSTANT testing. Brutal kill drills with no relax time. We had the arts (music, art etc) or gym each day. We had the basics well entrenched. It was miserable but effective. Middle school-instant replay. HS - more of the same with sports included. Intense. Totally dreadful. BUT, it resulted in me and most of my schoolmates highly prepared for college and life.
    The difference between my experience and your situation is I and my schoolmates had parents who were harsh and demanding. They supported the teachers and reinforced them.
    Society, with too many single parent families, has neglected the child. In addition, schools have become socialistic in thought. Enough with "moral" messages - teach children to read, write and use logic. Kids also have too many rights in school. Nonsense. Do as you are told or get out. Pass the tests or get left back.
    If you don't restore intensity it will not work.
    My children had an intense education because my wife and I demanded it. The schools were already getting a little lax especially with "rights oriented" boomers of the 60s.
    Like ff2's wife, find a new district.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southparkcpa View Post
    In all seriousness...I am killing myself but biz is very good. Here in the south , Good friday is like a high Holy Day in NY for jews. Business is almost at a stand still. As it should be IMO.

    Enjoy my friend. Go JETS!
    Glad to hear it!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite View Post
    Dude makes 40K a year, I feel sorry for him...























    Hopefully the bait is taken...

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    Facts this country pays the highest amount per pupil in the industrialized world and gets the worst results. Kids going to college who have to take basic math and reading courses. The school system is a disaster. BTW there are parents out there who should be sterilized. Dumb Parents, Dumb Kids and ever increasing entitlements. Bye Bye America!

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