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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleansweep2013 View Post
    if we take barkley say the 2nd round (because he wont be around past our 2nd) we cant in reality pick another qb for atleast the next 3 years. We would have to commit to him, cant just pick him let him play in a preseason game or 2 and say "nah lets pick another qb early next year" Then come next year we will see a better crop of qbs pass though what should be our many high picks next yr assuming we trade Revis for 14 picks. Id rather wait and see what we can get next year.
    That depends. If the Jets end up with #1/#2 pick, then I have to think they'd go with Bridgewater/Manziel (It's too early too know if that's the way it works out, of course). But the buzz for a while is that Bridgewater is a true #1 prospect, Carolina didn't skip Cam Newton because they drafted Jimmy Clauson. You don't go the Dolphins route and keep drafting 2nd round QBs, but I'm not convinced that drafting Barkley should prevent the Jets from drafting a stud QB.

    But I'm not impressed with Barkley. I saw highlights of his throws and his deep throws seemed pretty weak. I didn't read the feedback of his throwing session, but I find it hard to believe he's be a top tier QB in the NFL

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglenj View Post
    Player 1
    Tends to pat the ball before starting throwing motion. Gets ball out quickly once he's made a decision. Big hands for frame and can pump the ball without losing grip. Average to slightly above average overall arm strength.

    Misses the strike zone on occasion and deep accuracy is especially inconsistent but timing is above average and can pound the strike zone when gets into a rhythm and has clear sight line. Hits receivers in stride when gets a clear passing window. Accurate rolling right and left.


    Player 2
    Overall accuracy is good. Consistently hits the mark with short-to-intermediate throws. Shows excellent touch and placement with shallow crosses, slants and seam routes. Frequently leads receivers to maximize yards after the catch. Also shows ability to deliver an accurate ball when feet are not set and off-balance. Deep accuracy still needs improving. Deep ball has a tendency to hang in the air at times.

    Possesses a quick over-the-top to release and flashes ability to change release point if need be. Arm strength is adequate. Does not have prototypical capabilities to drive the ball and stretch the field vertically as a Joe Flacco or Ben Roethlisberger. However, did show ability to make all the necessary NFL type throws including getting good velocity on deep out throws from opposite hash.


    Those are scouting reports for 2 players who each had over 40 college starts and were lauded for their preparedness, leadership, intangibles and in game ability.

    QB in the NFL has never been about arm strength, yes a player like chad post injury simply cant succeed, but brees has a SB, Dalton has made the playoffs twice in his career, matt hasselbeck played in a SB and multiple pro bowls.

    Oh, and the above scouting report that I compared to barkley is russel wilson, guess he was somewhat successful as a pro?
    Russell Wilson can also make a lot more happen with his legs. As QBs go, how can you talk about a scouting report for Russell Wilson and Matt Barkley and ignore that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerfish View Post
    I keep seeing people use these examples such as the Carolina one as something we should strive to emulate. It's the exact opposite. They should not have taken clausen and still taken Newton and they would have been much better off. All the idea of taking Qb's in round 2 and saying you can always draft a guy higher next year does is dilute your team talent pool because although QB is the most important position on the team you need talnet in other areas. What Carolina did was a mistake. If you draft a guy in the top two rounds one year and then draft another guy in the next year or even two you have made a mistake.
    Ok so we pass on QBs because we are certain that Garrard and Sanchez will guarantee us the top pick in the draft next year.

    What if...

    Oakland wins 1 game going with Pryor at QB?

    Bridgewater and Manziel have "Barkley"type season?

    Bridgewater and Manziel decide to stay in school?

    We aren't guaranteed anything. We were thinking the same thing in 2005/2006.

    We need a guy to develop into at least a game manager. Sanchez was supposed to be that guy but for reasons discussed continually here over the past few years, he didn't even do that.

    Take the best available QB in the 2nd or 3rd this ear to develop as our game manager. It 2013 is a true disaster and we are in position to get Bridgewater, fine. Take him and our 2013 pick will be a good back up or eventual trade bait ala Schaub, Hasselback, or Brunell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batmans A Scientist View Post
    Russell Wilson can also make a lot more happen with his legs. As QBs go, how can you talk about a scouting report for Russell Wilson and Matt Barkley and ignore that.
    First off because the point wasnt to compare these to players as they are very different.

    More importantly because Wilsons mobility advantage is obvious to anyone reading here. Just as the fact that barkley can actually run a traditional WCO as he is 4 inches taller then wilson is an advantage that was too obvious to mention.

    The point im trying to make is that players are routinely dropped down boards due to arm strength and while strong armed QBs are almost always overdrafted with a huge failure rate and wilson is a perfect example.

    Forget barkleys "lack of downfield strength" for a second and ask yourself do the positives outweigh that:

    Is he a winner - yes, first 3 year captain at USC, freshman starter in HS and at USC, and stayed with the program even with all the problems.

    Can he command a huddle and an offense - yes, was given a huge amount of responsibility to change plays, ran a hurry-up offense a lot and understands protections and route adjustments.

    Does he have football smarts - yes again. Sanchez has no arm strength issues, but is a terrible QB because he doesnt know when to throw it away, when to take a sack, and when to even move a RB from one side to the other to protect a free blitzer. Barkley EXCELS in those areas. His redzone INT % is exceptional ("over the last two seasons Barkley's 42 touchdown passes on 116 attempts in the red zone speak loudly to the signal-caller's vast experience and productivity in that part of the field. Over that same stretch, Barkley was intercepted and sacked just three times.")

    He is not an amazing athlete, but is peyton manning? No - and he is one of the LEAST sacked QBs of all time because he understands protections and when to get the ball out. Barkley is similar in that aspect (no im not comparing him to manning)

    Look, I dont know if barkley is a fit for us, but my point is the arguments against him simply dont outweigh the positives. QB is way more cerebral then any other position and to talk about this kid as a 3rd round pick is simply insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleansweep2013 View Post
    if we take barkley say the 2nd round (because he wont be around past our 2nd) we cant in reality pick another qb for atleast the next 3 years. We would have to commit to him, cant just pick him let him play in a preseason game or 2 and say "nah lets pick another qb early next year" Then come next year we will see a better crop of qbs pass though what should be our many high picks next yr assuming we trade Revis for 14 picks. Id rather wait and see what we can get next year.
    When was the last time you saw a team commit 3 years to a 2nd rounder if he didn't look good? Maybe Charlie Batch but lets be honest he was a stud compared to some of the guys Detroit had at QB. Didn't GB draft Brohm 2nd round then cut him in that very same camp for Flynn? Miami had Henne a few years but it didn't stop them from signing Chad that same year. Tarvaris Jackson looked good as a starter just never progressed. You take a guy in the 2nd or 3rd. If he looks good you stick with him. If not no big deal move on. Heck some bust 1st rounders dont get a full 3 years to prove themselves before their teams make moves to replace them. At least the team would be trying to win which is all I ask. Doing nothing is just that nothing.

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