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    Could the Nick Saban way work in the NFL

    The Nick Saban wayas it has been established over the last few National Championships is as follows.

    Assemble a premier defense starting in the front 7.

    Assemble a premier OL specializing in run blocking but with the ability to protect the passer.


    Recruit QBs with the abilities protect the ball and make the plays that present themselves .I think they call them Game managers.

    Recruit RBs who can run the football betwwen the tackles, catch the ball out of the backfield and still have the speed to take it outside when the opportunity provides itself.


    Play solid defense and run the ball limiting the opportunities for the opponent while maximizing those presented to you.


    Can this work in the NFL. What do u guys think.

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    I think what clouds whether that would work is the fast difference in talent present in college football. Saban's teams are on another level as far as ability, and thus he can rely on his scheme. With the way the rules have changed in the NFL and the relatively even levels of talent, I don't think it would be possible to win consistently with a game managing QB.

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    I think any concept can work as long as the overall team concept comes 1st. All the me 1st players in the world will win you nothing. That was the Eagles big issue the last 2 year. They stacked a bunch of great players together that had 0 team concept. Same with KC last year who had play makers all over on D but couldn't stop anyone. Meanwhile you take Rex D with 0 proven play makers last year and we did very well vs some good Os. But also on the O side we always seem to have a bunch of me 1st guys that get us no where.

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    The Jets have been running the Nick Saban way for the past 4 yrs. It was good enough to get the Jets to within 1 game of the SB twice, but due to a lack of talent in along the OL, the Defensive front 7 and especially at RB, the game management part of the plan wasn't good enough.


    When the Jets had the top ranked defense, the top ranked running game behind a solid OL, the Nick Saban way was working. Only 2 things were missing, the WR to take the top off the defense and the game Manager QB who made the plays when the opportunities presented themselves. Even then, Mark Sanchez made enough plays to get the Jets almost to the top of the league. He just didn't make enough of em.

    The Jets brought in Braylon to be the WR who would take the top off the defense, and then added Holmes. The problem is, along the way the lbing core went south and the RBs and the OL went with them. The additional problem was it was all with me 1st players who didn't have the team concept on their minds.

    We have an opportunity here to rebuild the OL, repair the RB position and the LBing core all before the 2014 season begin. The WR capable of taking the top off the defense is in house and he's a team player. A new prototype RB has been added to the team and the opportunity to presents itself to correct the problems that exist along the OL.

    1 key problem area still remain. The game manager at QB . We fix this area and the 2013 season could be more than meets the eye. It can be done and should be fun watching it all unfold.

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    nick saban couldn't get the nick saban way to work in the nfl

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetsMakeMeCry View Post
    nick saban couldn't get the nick saban way to work in the nfl
    Good point. The "Nick Saban way" can only work in college because there is no draft. When you have the best players in the country coming TO YOU to play it makes it a lot easier to assemble a great team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sec.101row23 View Post
    Good point. The "Nick Saban way" can only work in college because there is no draft. When you have the best players in the country coming TO YOU to play it makes it a lot easier to assemble a great team.
    No, the key to it is where you have your best players . In the NFL, the QB is considered the best player on the team and where the vast majority of your salary cap dollars go. In college, that doesn't have to be the case mostly because nobody gets paid(supposedly).


    Take the Jets for example.

    What if you could take the vast majority of your cap and throw it at your OL, RBs and your defensive front 7. Then find yourself a QB who can manage the down and distance with an emphasis on ball security. You now have the option to tae the money you pay a franchise QB to build your team.

    In the case of the Jets, you can draft a warmack and say a cooper if the trade for Revis goes through with the Bucs and build yourself the type of OL along with Mangold,Ferguson and Howard that can open holes for a RB all day while giving the QB enough time to complate 4yard passes and take the occasional shot downfield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinstar View Post
    No, the key to it is where you have your best players . In the NFL, the QB is considered the best player on the team and where the vast majority of your salary cap dollars go. In college, that doesn't have to be the case mostly because nobody gets paid(supposedly).


    Take the Jets for example.

    What if you could take the vast majority of your cap and throw it at your OL, RBs and your defensive front 7. Then find yourself a QB who can manage the down and distance with an emphasis on ball security. You now have the option to tae the money you pay a franchise QB to build your team.

    In the case of the Jets, you can draft a warmack and say a cooper if the trade for Revis goes through with the Bucs and build yourself the type of OL along with Mangold,Ferguson and Howard that can open holes for a RB all day while giving the QB enough time to complate 4yard passes and take the occasional shot downfield.
    You can not equate how to build a college team to an NFL team. The reason Alabama can get by with a "game manager" at QB is because they have an enormous talent advantage in other positions. EVERY year Bama gets one of the top 2 or 3 RBs and WRs to come play at Alabama, NFL teams are lucky to get the best RB or WR in the draft every 5 to 7 years. They get the best players across the board. You can not have that kind of talent advantage in the NFL, it is not possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sec.101row23 View Post
    You can not equate how to build a college team to an NFL team. The reason Alabama can get by with a "game manager" at QB is because they have an enormous talent advantage in other positions. EVERY year Bama gets one of the top 2 or 3 RBs and WRs to come play at Alabama, NFL teams are lucky to get the best RB or WR in the draft every 5 to 7 years. They get the best players across the board. You can not have that kind of talent advantage in the NFL, it is not possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sec.101row23 View Post
    You can not equate how to build a college team to an NFL team. The reason Alabama can get by with a "game manager" at QB is because they have an enormous talent advantage in other positions. EVERY year Bama gets one of the top 2 or 3 RBs and WRs to come play at Alabama, NFL teams are lucky to get the best RB or WR in the draft every 5 to 7 years. They get the best players across the board. You can not have that kind of talent advantage in the NFL, it is not possible.
    Why not. At bama, they lose their best players every year while we get to supposedly pick the best player available and keep them for atleast 4-5yrs with the option of resigning them. Does every top college recruit workout the way the school planned.

    All i am asking is why can't you put the big money towards the OL and the RB since those are easier to find than QBs and get a game manager at QB instead of paying out the nose for a QB and looking for OGs in the later rounds all the while watching that high price QB fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinstar View Post
    Why not. At bama, they lose their best players every year while we get to supposedly pick the best player available and keep them for atleast 4-5yrs with the option of resigning them. Does every top college recruit workout the way the school planned.

    All i am asking is why can't you put the big money towards the OL and the RB since those are easier to find than QBs and get a game manager at QB instead of paying out the nose for a QB and looking for OGs in the later rounds all the while watching that high price QB fail.
    When you sign 20-25 of the best recruits every year it doesnt matter. They are not like draft picks, if one doesnt work they cut them loose and give their scholarship to someone else the next year.

    Your whole argument is pretty much moot since Saban was actually an NFL coach and he realized early on that the college system was more conducive to his way of doing things. Again, you will never have the enormous talent advantage in the NFL that you can get in college.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sec.101row23 View Post
    When you sign 20-25 of the best recruits every year it doesnt matter. They are not like draft picks, if one doesnt work they cut them loose and give their scholarship to someone else the next year.

    Your whole argument is pretty much moot since Saban was actually an NFL coach and he realized early on that the college system was more conducive to his way of doing things. Again, you will never have the enormous talent advantage in the NFL that you can get in college.
    Then explain to me how it is that Rex ryan almost managed to do the exact same thing his 1st 2 yrs on the job and only fell short because his game manager couldn't manage the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinstar View Post
    Then explain to me how it is that Rex ryan almost managed to do the exact same thing his 1st 2 yrs on the job and only fell short because his game manager couldn't manage the game.
    Explain what? You are talking about two different arguments. On one hand you talk about the "Nick Saban way" which is predicated on having the best talent across the board, and then you are equating that to the Jets in '09 and '10?

    Winning with a "game manger" in the NFL is entirely different from winning with a "game manager" at a program like Alabama, I am surprised you are not able to distinguish between the two. Sorry.

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    Give the jets 4 1st and 4 2nd round picks each year and you might be able to go the saban way.

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