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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by sec.101row23 View Post
    Seriously, do read before you post?? Where did I say you have to take a WR at 9??
    Seriously, you take posting here way to seriously. Calm the fuk down.
    You are right you did not say you have to take a WR in the 9th . Big fukn deal.

    You said, "I am not sure how anyone can look at this WR group and not see a need to upgrade it".

    Fine, I agree. We should definitely consider a WR after Rd 3 and in UDFA. Hows that.

  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by sec.101row23 View Post
    I am not sure how anyone can look at this WR group and not see a need to upgrade it. Just because you dont think you have a QB to throw him the ball, doesnt mean you ignore the position, especially in a year when there will be some very good WRs to be had in the second to fourth rounds.
    Stephen Hill's ability and potential ceiling is much higher than anyone available from 2nd to 4th. 4th is the absolutely highest we can go and I agree you just can't ignore the position cause your QB sucks. I agree completely but my main question is why keep taking all these prospects when you can build your own. Kerley is a legit slot receiver and in year 3 should be even better. He improved drastically from year 1 to 2 no reason he can't get better now. Santonio is being paid big bucks .. you gotta hope you get something out of that. Where we lacked heavy in the past is having a RB who can be a receiver make plays with the ball in the passing game and with Mcknight getting a bigger role and now Goodson that changes. Our main need is TE I prefer a TE from round 2-4 if we can get a guy with massive potential. We don't have that. Keep in mind our receiving corps looked worse than it was when Hill was out & playing hurt & Santonio went down & Keller hurt all year. At one point Kerley was our number one receiver playing in Santonio's role. That's just not what he is. So if you just build more quality depth and keep guys healthy we'll be improved by default.

    Stephen Hill if improved and properly coached up can be a 50-55 catch guy and a legit deep threat he showed he has that type of ability in year 1 just has to work on hands (likes James Jones of GB did) Kerley is in that range now and Santonio we have to hope can get to that 65-70 range. In the WC offense you'll see a lot more Mcknight & Goodson matched up against linebackers getting a lot more catches out of the backfield & lord knows we desperately need a TE who can do ANYTHING. I'm not against getting a receiver in this draft but for us to go higher than round 4 for one ... I'd be disappointed. There's legit defensive players who can come in and do work immediately than some receiver who's going to drastically improve our team immediately in that area in the draft. I think we need a TE more than anything. Preferably a receiving threat. In a WC offense you need a receiving TE more than a blocker. Blocking TE specialist you can find undrafted ... lets just get a guy who can catch the damn ball the hell with blocking.

  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by NY's stepchild View Post
    Positions have their importance. You absolutely do not need good players at every position. In fact in the salary cap age that is an impossibility.
    No you do need good players. You dont need great players at every position.

    You need great players at QB, LT, and Pass Rush (be it at DE or OLB depending on your system). We have a very good LT and crap at QB and pass rush.

    You also need good players at every other position. We have crap at LG, RG, TE, and Safety. We have below average talent at WR, RT, and NT. We have average to below average talent at RB and ILB

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    Quote Originally Posted by kennyo7 View Post
    Seriously, you take posting here way to seriously. Calm the fuk down.
    You are right you did not say you have to take a WR in the 9th . Big fukn deal.

    You said, "I am not sure how anyone can look at this WR group and not see a need to upgrade it".

    Fine, I agree. We should definitely consider a WR after Rd 3 and in UDFA. Hows that.
    I am calm, take two seconds to actually read what you respond to. It eliminates these kinds of issues.

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by sec.101row23 View Post
    I am calm, take two seconds to actually read what you respond to. It eliminates these kinds of issues.
    I dont have 2 seconds
    Sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by sec.101row23 View Post
    I am not sure how anyone can look at this WR group and not see a need to upgrade it. Just because you dont think you have a QB to throw him the ball, doesnt mean you ignore the position, especially in a year when there will be some very good WRs to be had in the second to fourth rounds.
    WTF were these fans watching last year? It sure as hell wasn't the NY Jets.
    Our offense was SO BAD we had Hill & Gates starting at WR!
    No one knows if Holmes will come back healthy!
    You look what Indy did last year (sure they have Luck) but you have to give your QB some weapons, I don't care who's slinging the ball!
    So now we have fans that think that a draft of Austin, Eifert, Hopkins & Monte Ball would suck?
    Instead they want a big fat ? mark OLB again at #9! That's why they picked up Barnes, to rush from that spot on 3rd down.
    I could give too chits if the defense gives up 21 as long as we are scoring 24.
    Scoring points won this years Superbowl!
    You can win a Superbowl with an average defense, you can't win a Superbowl with an below average offense anymore, what the Ravens did in their 1st Superbowl will never be duplicated.

  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Mainejet View Post
    You build from the inside out. Our OL sucks right now. Get it?
    They don't get it!!

    It's the fastest way to improve the O. If you have a great OL, there's a 99.9% chance that you'll have a good to great offense!!

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by ctjetfan View Post
    They don't get it!!

    It's the fastest way to improve the O. If you have a great OL, there's a 99.9% chance that you'll have a good to great offense!!
    Wrong, some of the advanced metric stats on olines indicated we had a good oline last year, top 6 if I recall. If you have the worst QB in the league, a jag Rb who can never make something out of nothing and an injured and suspect Wr corps your oline will have little effect. Now if we decide to pick one of the guards early because they think the guy is the best player fine, but our oline was not the main problem last year at all.

  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaSteve View Post
    In this draft, I think the Jets need an OLB, S, and CB depth. On offense, they would be smart to grab two guards (one early-ish, one later for development), a TE and a RB, considering this is McKnight's last year. That, or a mid-round WR. The talent at WR, QB, etc just does not seem to be there. I mean, could Geno Smith work out? Possibly, but as a rookie GM, do you want to take the chance with the 9th overall pick?
    This is where Mangini was VERY underrated. Not taking Leinart and going with Ferguson AND Mangold with his two first round picks.
    Agree 100% with everything and no I don't take Geno #9 unless we plan to throw 20 screens a game. Its not sexy to go OL in the draft early but we seen what it did for us with Mangold & Brick. We'll have a shot at one of the best 2 pass rushers at OLB in the draft. We seen what it did for the Seahawks last year. We have not went after a edge rusher at OLB in round 1 since Mangini switched to the 3-4. We've been a 3-4 base defense for 6 years and haven't went after a edge rushing OLB in round 1 or 2. Pitt & Baltimore even if they whiff take shots at those guys cause in the 3-4 position that is super essential and we just try to upgrade that position thru free agency or diamonds in the ruff. Its gotten us no where.

    Does anybody remember the last time we had a 10 sack guy? Its ridiculous .. I'm still shocked we even got to 2 AFCC without a dominant pass rusher. Pace was an overpayed jag who made a good play once every 3 weeks. Its time we finally address this ...

    Here are the sack leaders on our team the last couple of years

    2012 Coples 5.5
    2011 Maybin 6.0 & David Harris (5.0) < our middle LB was 2nd on the team in sacks. .. terrible
    2010 Bryan Thomas 6.0
    2009 Calvin Pace 8.0
    2008 Shaun Ellis 8
    2007 Shaun Ellis/David Harris 5
    2006 Bryan Thomas 8.5

    I'm sure some pawn will mention Gholston's name but we're far removed from that and we're not only team to whiff on a guy in round 1 ... Ask the Ravens how Sergio Kimble is looking. I know he got hurt and etc but still ... That won't stop the Ravens from consistently trying to reload their pass rush. They just signed the best pass rusher available in the market right after winning the superbowl .. maybe they know that's important? hmmmm ...

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by jetster View Post
    WTF were these fans watching last year? It sure as hell wasn't the NY Jets.
    Our offense was SO BAD we had Hill & Gates starting at WR!
    No one knows if Holmes will come back healthy!
    You look what Indy did last year (sure they have Luck) but you have to give your QB some weapons, I don't care who's slinging the ball!
    So now we have fans that think that a draft of Austin, Eifert, Hopkins & Monte Ball would suck?
    Instead they want a big fat ? mark OLB again at #9! That's why they picked up Barnes, to rush from that spot on 3rd down.
    I could give too chits if the defense gives up 21 as long as we are scoring 24.
    Scoring points won this years Superbowl!
    You can win a Superbowl with an average defense, you can't win a Superbowl with an below average offense anymore, what the Ravens did in their 1st Superbowl will never be duplicated.
    They got to the superbowl by holding the best offensive team in the league to 13 points. They won 3 games this year scoring 16 or less. If they gave up 21 points like you suggested they would have won 7 games this year. Lets just say they won the 16 points one and lost the games they scored 13 and 9 in ... that's still 8-8. So your whole "give up 21 points as long as we score 24" theory goes out the drain. Its not ALL about offense ... frankly its ALL about your team AND your QB.

    I'm not sure why nobody is mentioning this. Does anybody realize how good Flacco was in this post-season? Flacco had an ALL-WORLD and all time playoff performance for the freaking AGES. He threw 11 TD's and 0 INT's. The only other guy to match that? Joe freaking MONTANA. Everyone's talking all this offense but does anybody realize how good Flacco, Eli and Rodgers were the last 3 years especially in the playoff's? You need your QB to be playing at an elite elite elite level to win that championship. If not the rest of your team better be dominating on a couple of different levels. We don't have that QB unless Sanchez turns into something we've never seen before from him. Still if you look at how good Flacco was in the playoff's this year its just as unlikely that the Ravens win this way again than the first time they won with Dilfer.

  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by JonEJet View Post
    Nothing like trading an all time great CB for a Guard

    One can dream though
    It would be for a WR with the 13th pick (in the OP's scenario)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainejet View Post
    Personally, I do not see the need for WR this season. I mean after all, WTF is going to throw him the ball. There will also be several more great WR prospects in future years.

    Warmack, on the other hand, If he's as great as Sal says, then I think the Jets should take him at #9 assuming he is there. He'll also likely be the BAP at pick 9.
    This right here. No WR in the first three rounds this year please. What's the point if we don't have a QB to throw to him?

    Great WRs do not make bad QBs better. On the other hand, great QBs do make bad WRs better. No point taking a WR if we do not yet have a QB that is even halfway decent.

    Although I am reluctant to take a Guard at 9 - I'd much rather take an almost can't miss prospect like Warrmack over a WR at that spot.

    Now, if you were to tell me that Tavon Austin was the next Calvin Johnson, the story might be different. But right now Tavon Austin is just the next Percy Harvin and I wouldn't trade the 9 pick for Percy Harvin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianaJet View Post
    This right here. No WR in the first three rounds this year please. What's the point if we don't have a QB to throw to him?

    Great WRs do not make bad QBs better. On the other hand, great QBs do make bad WRs better. No point taking a WR if we do not yet have a QB that is even halfway decent.

    Although I am reluctant to take a Guard at 9 - I'd much rather take an almost can't miss prospect like Warrmack over a WR at that spot.

    Now, if you were to tell me that Tavon Austin was the next Calvin Johnson, the story might be different. But right now Tavon Austin is just the next Percy Harvin and I wouldn't trade the 9 pick for Percy Harvin.
    it takes WR's some time to develop so would'nt it make sense to get one now so when we do get a QB the receiver has experience which will help the QB?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sect313 View Post
    it takes WR's some time to develop so would'nt it make sense to get one now so when we do get a QB the receiver has experience which will help the QB?
    Don't buy that argument at all. Sure there have been plenty of 1st round WRs that needed time to develop, but young WRs in the right situation with good QBs can produce. Look at these rookie #s:

    Randy Moss 1311 yds 17 tds
    Anquan Boldin 1377 yds 8 tds
    Michael Clayton 1193 yds 7 tds
    Marques Colston 1038 yds 8 tds
    Dwayne Bowe 995/5
    Lee Evans 843/9
    Larry Fitzgerald 780/8
    Chris Chambers 883/7

    And that's just a list I googled from a 2008 blog.

    WR is like any other position in the NFL. You don't really know what you're drafting until it's time to suit up on Sundays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianaJet View Post
    This right here. No WR in the first three rounds this year please. What's the point if we don't have a QB to throw to him?

    Great WRs do not make bad QBs better. On the other hand, great QBs do make bad WRs better. No point taking a WR if we do not yet have a QB that is even halfway decent.
    with that logic the lions would not have drafted calvin johnson. that's the benefit of best player available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerfish View Post
    The Jets have many needs, BPA for that 1st round pick. I could care less if we picked a guy in an area in which we already have perceived strength because things change in this league so fast that no one cares that we picked a DT in the 1st round three years from now if the guy is a pro bowler, Rex is gone and we are now a 3-4 team. Pick the best players and have the coaches coach according to who we have.

    Picking Warmack or Cooper at 9 would not be the end of the world but it would depend on who else is on board at the time. If those are our best options I'd love to see us try our best to trade down.

    I also do not think the oline was near the disaster that some people make it out to be. We had the worst Qb in the league and a mediocre to jag running back. The fact that we seem to have let both guards go and have only signed one guy as a replacement may be telling however.
    Having a QB who was afraid to throw the ball in case he got intercepted will make an O line look bad. I agree they get more bad press on here than they were due.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sec.101row23 View Post
    Who says you cant do both in the same draft?? Some of you guys act like it is all or nothing when it comes to the draft....LOL.
    While I would want Warmack/Cooper over a WR at 9, I agree with this general premise. I don't think we need a WR at 9 after investing a high pick in it last year. HOWEVER, i would jump at the opportunity to draft Hopkins in the second or Swope in the third. Love those two and our WR corp isn't exactly bursting at the seams with blue chippers (ala the Dline which has two really awesome prospects, with potential at the only vacant spot- Ellis)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonEJet View Post
    Nothing like trading an all time great CB for a Guard

    One can dream though
    +100000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe W. Namath View Post
    We nedd to ship revis to the bucs and take Warmack at 9 and Austin at 14.
    +1 I'd actually flip those picks though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe W. Namath View Post
    We nedd to ship revis to the bucs and take Warmack at 9 and Austin at 14.
    Where do I sign?

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