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    Quote Originally Posted by fidelioion View Post
    I didn't realize Wright was that large a cap hit for them. Yes, that does continue to open up space -

    I wonder what Idtiz wants?

    1 and 2?

    1 and 1 (next year)
    1 and 3 this year, conditional 2 or 3 next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K-Met57 View Post
    It's the nfl my friend, the AFC championship team from 2009 wasn't exactly the most talented team in history...and we still won. The attitude of 'we are not winning any time soon' is a loser mentality...which unfortunately some jets fans live by.
    Agree. People seem to forget the drastic change of teams fortunes fom just one year to the next. This is the NFL. Every team has a chance. Did anyone really think the 5-11 Patriots, 8-8 ravens and 4-12 Rams would all win super bowls the following year? I dont think so. There is no such thing as rebuilding in the NFL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fidelioion View Post
    I think you missed the entire point of the post - what I was saying was that the Jets might actually intend on signing him long term. That the new GM's thoughts on Revis might be very different from Tanny's. We know very little about Idzik's thinking - he clearly isn't saying much.

    Understanding Revis will not play this year without a contract, the Jets may very well believe they can sign him long term - Unless they get an offer that really blows them away. The forgone conclusion that they're trading him has only come from the media. The Jets have said the exact opposite.
    There is too much disdain for each other ( Woody Johnson- still calls the shots and Revis camp- himself and his agents). That there is no way to mend these fences. He will be gone from the Jets one way or the other.( will it be in trade in 2013- most likely, or in Fa in 2014- can't let this occur.

    Revis and the Jets are heading for a divorce and all that left is seeing what they get back for him at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sec.101row23 View Post
    1 and 3 this year, conditional 2 or 3 next year.
    What you want and what you eventually get back in a trade( settle for) is two different things.
    So if the Jets get something less back in a trade would you consider it a bad trade?

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    13 and a two or three this year and a two or conditional one next year

    The second round this year could drop to a six if they agree to take Teblow

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    Quote Originally Posted by fidelioion View Post
    I didn't realize Wright was that large a cap hit for them. Yes, that does continue to open up space -

    I wonder what Idtiz wants?

    1 and 2?

    1 and 1 (next year)
    Tampa Bay has the cap space already to fit D Revis in. So The wright move has no bearing on the Revis situation.

    Idtiz could want six first rounders for D Revis and it's immaterial because someone has to be willing to pay that price. Jets have more to lose than Tampa Bay because Tampa Bay doesn't have to do anything this year . They can walk away from any Revis deal this year and draft some Cb's in 2013 . Than you wait till 2014 to get Revis when you can just pay him the 15 million dollars and don't have to just give up picks.
    So Idtiz could play poker all he wants with Tampa Bay, but he better be careful not to over play his hand.

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    Idtiz???


    You really should just slither away and find some Raiders forum and post there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetglass View Post
    Agree. People seem to forget the drastic change of teams fortunes fom just one year to the next. This is the NFL. Every team has a chance. Did anyone really think the 5-11 Patriots, 8-8 ravens and 4-12 Rams would all win super bowls the following year? I dont think so. There is no such thing as rebuilding in the NFL.
    What do you mean there is no such thing as rebuilding? The Patriots and Rams
    those teams were building for years before they got to the SB. And both teams added HOF qbs as the final parts.

    The jets tore down 1/2 of their starters, how can that be refereed to as anything but rebuilding. The process started last year when there was no cap money to replace the RT or bring in a blocking TE or pay a SS more than 1mill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patman View Post
    What do you mean there is no such thing as rebuilding? The Patriots and Rams
    those teams were building for years before they got to the SB. And both teams added HOF qbs as the final parts.

    The jets tore down 1/2 of their starters, how can that be refereed to as anything but rebuilding. The process started last year when there was no cap money to replace the RT or bring in a blocking TE or pay a SS more than 1mill.
    Good point, the Pats and Rams were visionary and took luck out of the equation in how they built those teams...

    The Jets should learn from their successful rebuilds, keep gathering young talent for years and then look for a HOF Qb in rd. 6 or go to the local food store and ask for their best bagger.
    Last edited by Monsterxman; 04-12-2013 at 07:38 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patman View Post
    What do you mean there is no such thing as rebuilding? The Patriots and Rams
    those teams were building for years before they got to the SB. And both teams added HOF qbs as the final parts.

    The jets tore down 1/2 of their starters, how can that be refereed to as anything but rebuilding. The process started last year when there was no cap money to replace the RT or bring in a blocking TE or pay a SS more than 1mill.
    The Pats sucked with Bledsoe, and he wasn't that bad of a QB. There's only rebuilding when you suck, and then you're built when you get a franchise QB. Otherwise with FA rebuilding is quick and painless. Teams now only rebuild after they make a run with high priced old guys, that they have to cut, and take the cap hit for a year. It'll be a one year rebuilding/refunding process, then we're back to contention. Still need to find the QB to take us over the top. That's the hard part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monsterxman View Post
    Good point, the Pats and Rams were visionary and took luck out of the equation in how they built those teams...

    The Jets should learn from their successful rebuilds, keep gathering young talent for years and then look for a HOF in rd. 6 or go to the local food store and ask for their best bagger.
    What are you talking about? They got beyond lucky with Brady, and Warner. Then the Rams sucked hard again as soon as Warner left. Pats will do the same. It's just taking a little longer.

    Sorry I didn't read the whole post...HeHem I agree whole hardily. Nice use of sarcasm btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NY's stepchild View Post
    What are you talking about? They got beyond lucky with Brady, and Warner. Then the Rams sucked hard again as soon as Warner left. Pats will do the same. It's just taking a little longer.

    Sorry I didn't read the whole post...HeHem I agree whole hardily. Nice use of sarcasm btw.
    They both did get lucky. There is no way the Pats thought they were gonna suddenly be a force when Bledsoe went down and Brady came in - but they were. Maybe they just cheated better with Brady. But they were able to land important free agents after their first superbowl win so they were able to cheat their way to another 2 . I don't know enough about how the Rams got Warner but I know enough that luck played a major part. Jets are due for some luck!

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    Trent green was rams qb that season and went down with injury (believe in preseason) opening the door for kurt

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    Quote Originally Posted by sg3 View Post
    Idtiz???


    You really should just slither away and find some Raiders forum and post there.
    I was just reciting what a jets poster on him put as GM. ( Fidelioion)
    Idzik. Is that better great one. At least I didn't call him Idiot.. I will wait to see what he gets for Revis before giving him that name. For all we know he might actually know what he's doing.
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    According to this Gary Myers Daily News article, the latest "reports" say that the Jets will get the Bucs' 1st, 3rd, and 6th round picks this year (take that for what it's worth). If true, that's not a bad deal...

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...icle-1.1315861

    Rex Ryan should cherish the time he spends with Darrelle Revis in the next 10 days as the Jets open their offseason conditioning program Monday. Their days together are likely dwindling to a precious few.

    Of course, you should never trade your best player unless you somehow get something like Dallas got for Herschel Walker from Minnesota (three No. 1s, three No. 2s, among other things) and that is never going to happen again unless it involves a franchise quarterback in his prime.

    The draft is one week from Thursday and there’s a good chance Revis will be with the Bucs by the time Tampa’s 13th pick in the first round comes up with the expectation that it will be the Jets on the clock following the trade. There are reports the Jets will also get the Bucs’ third- and sixth-round picks.

    The Jets have no intention on signing Revis to a new contract - that’s where they have gone off course - and will lose him for nothing as a free agent in 2014. Considering he’s coming off an ACL tear and Tampa is the only team showing interest, GM John Idzik will be making the best of a bad situation if he gets those three picks from the Bucs.

    This is not good news for Ryan. No coach ever wants to lose his best player, especially when he’s a rare commodity - the best shutdown corner in a league where every rule is made to benefit the passing game - and especially when the coach is No. 1 on the endangered list going into the 2013 season.
    Ryan is in an impossible position: Idzik has gutted the Jets after their 6-10 season and plans to fix them and the salary cap by rebuilding through the draft, and for now, with cheap free agents. At least a dozen Jets starters from last year have signed elsewhere or will not be back.

    This season has the potential to do a tremendous amount of damage to Ryan’s reputation and ability to get another head coaching job. He was retained after last season for two reasons: Jets owner Woody Johnson truly does like him. And, he has two years at about $3 million per season left on his contract, and paying off Ryan and his staff would have been costly.
    Ryan remaining as Jets coach in 2013 was a condition of employment in the general manager search. At first, that seemed like a negative for Idzik, but as one NFL source outlined last week, having Ryan around to take the heat as Idzik implements his program, will work to the GM’s advantage.
    “Rex provides cover for one year,” the source said. “It’s almost like having a shield. You can do what you need to do and the guy who is going to get the arrows is Rex. He is an easy target. John can stay behind the scenes like the Wizard of Oz.”

    If Johnson had fired Ryan, then all the attention and pressure would be on Idzik for fielding a team with expansion-level talent. Instead, the season will be dominated by stories about Ryan’s job status as Idzik keeps a low profile. Then, if things go badly, Ryan will get fired and Idzik will hire his own coach.
    “The Jets are in a hole and need to get to the ground floor,” the source said.
    Eight coaches were fired after last season and Philly’s Andy Reid was the only one to get another head coaching job. Reid was hired by the Chiefs less than one week after he was fired by the Eagles despite a 4-12 season. Reid built up enough good will in his 14 years in Philadelphia with five NFC title games and one Super Bowl appearance that the Eagles’ collapse last year was not held against him.

    Ryan has one year remaining on his contract. After the season, Johnson/Idzik will either extend him or fire him. Unless Ryan makes the playoffs, I think he’s gone. Then Ryan is really going to be in a tough spot. It’s one thing for the Chiefs to be able to sell their fans on Reid after a 4-12 season, but Ryan will be a tough sell for any owner if he is coming off three non-playoff seasons, and with the perception that he has run a dysfunctional shop. Ryan might have been better off getting fired after last season to avoid the 2013 Jets being on his resume.

    If he gets fired, he may have to take a step down to coordinator and restore his reputation as an assistant, which is how Bill Belichick worked his way back to being a head coach after he was fired in Cleveland, or he will have options in television, where his reputation as a loose cannon will play well.
    Idzik is trying to get the mess Mike Tannenbaum left him straightened out, even if it gets ugly in 2013. Ryan needs to win to stick around past this season. It won’t help that Revis is about to be the next to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MykePM View Post
    According to this Gary Myers Daily News article, the latest "reports" say that the Jets will get the Bucs' 1st, 3rd, and 6th round picks this year (take that for what it's worth). If true, that's not a bad deal...

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...icle-1.1315861
    Let's hope this is true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monsterxman View Post
    Good point, the Pats and Rams were visionary and took luck out of the equation in how they built those teams...

    The Jets should learn from their successful rebuilds, keep gathering young talent for years and then look for a HOF Qb in rd. 6 or go to the local food store and ask for their best bagger.
    LMAO. Exactly. Love how those NE trolls like to rewrite history. IIRC, Warner was not even the starter until the injury in pre-season. So much so that ST. Louis coaching staff shed tears thinking the season was lost. Meanwhile, Belicheat was so smart and knew Tammy was the HOFer in waiting that it took an injury knockout to Bledsoe for him to see the field.
    Last edited by jetssjumets; 04-13-2013 at 10:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MykePM View Post
    According to this Gary Myers Daily News article, the latest "reports" say that the Jets will get the Bucs' 1st, 3rd, and 6th round picks this year (take that for what it's worth). If true, that's not a bad deal...

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...icle-1.1315861
    Myers is stating according to reports, which is the report from earlier in the week. Not from a source of his. Nothing new.
    Last edited by C Mart; 04-13-2013 at 10:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mart View Post
    Myers is stating according to reports, which is the report from earlier in the week. Not from a source of his. Nothing new.
    Who was the source from the earlier report?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetssjumets View Post
    LMAO. Exactly. Love how those NE trolls like to rewrite history. IIRC, Warner was not even the starter until the injury in pre-season. So much so that ST. Louis coaching staff shed tears thinking the season was lost. Meanwhile, Belicheat was so smart and knew Tammy was the HOFer in waiting that it took an injury knockout to Bledsoe for him to see the field.

    For someone who spends 95% of his posts whining about the ''trolls'' you are a bigger troll than most any Pats fan here. What does the Pats or Rams history have anything to do with the possible Revis trade? Why must you drag every thread off topic in a pathetic attempt to denigrate the Pats? That's the very definition of trolling. Why not try to talk football for once?

    Back on topic, if Idzik pulls off the 13th, a 3rd and a 6th for Revis, he should go down as one of the best hires since Parcells. I honestly didn't think there was a chance in hell the Jets would find a trading partner willing to give anything near that plus satisfying Revis for an extension, especially coming off the acl and the no franchise tag clause.
    Last edited by GuidoYaztremski; 04-13-2013 at 11:13 PM.

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