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    5 in a row!!!

    How about Dillon Gee tonight. Great performance.

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    SWEEP!!!!!!!!!!


    TWO at Citifield

    TWO at the Big Urinal in the Bronx


    TAKE THAT, SARY

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lithfan View Post
    . Maybe the weather kept the crowd down the other night - but Harvey & the Yankees and still a lot of empty seats. I don't get it.
    Awful weather, very expensive tickets.

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    What a disgrace. Yanks should be ashamed.

    I miss The Boss. Poor George is rolling over tonight. Sad thing is that his sons couldn't care less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDNYjets View Post
    What a disgrace. Yanks should be ashamed.

    I miss The Boss. Poor George is rolling over tonight. Sad thing is that his sons couldn't care less.
    Haha

    Congrats to us for winning 2 world series in a week, right?

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    Gee was money tonight. You could always see he has the potential, buy never puts it together. I don't think I've ever seen him pitch like that. Bobby O just said the same.
    I hope he turns the corner from this game on.......
    And keeps that crap off his chin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Gee was money tonight. You could always see he has the potential, buy never puts it together. I don't think I've ever seen him pitch like that. Bobby O just said the same.
    I hope he turns the corner from this game on.......
    And keeps that crap off his chin
    He looked great tonight, but to me, Gee needs to be perfect in order to be successful. If he starts catching too much of the plate or loses a little velocity, he's in trouble. A modern day Rick Reed.

    I don't dislike him, per se, but I'm not sure that a winning rotation has Gee as anything other than a spot starter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bay Ridge Jet View Post
    Haha

    Congrats to us for winning 2 world series in a week, right?
    Pretty much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bay Ridge Jet View Post
    Haha

    Congrats to us for winning 2 world series in a week, right?
    Congrats to the Mets but it is MAY. Is there a trophy ceremony to follow?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDNYjets View Post
    Pretty much.
    Amazing. You're the best.

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    if the Mets smoke the Marlins (as they should) this weekend, they're back in business!

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    Quote Originally Posted by crasherino View Post
    He looked great tonight, but to me, Gee needs to be perfect in order to be successful. If he starts catching too much of the plate or loses a little velocity, he's in trouble. A modern day Rick Reed.

    I don't dislike him, per se, but I'm not sure that a winning rotation has Gee as anything other than a spot starter.
    I think you can live with Gee as a fifth starter. But Hefner and Gee as 4 and 5 is not good enough. Maybe now is the time to bring up Wheeler. Especially if Niese is out for any extended period of time. I would hate to see a back half of the rotation made up of Gee, Hefner and Mchugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lithfan View Post
    I think you can live with Gee as a fifth starter. But Hefner and Gee as 4 and 5 is not good enough. Maybe now is the time to bring up Wheeler. Especially if Niese is out for any extended period of time. I would hate to see a back half of the rotation made up of Gee, Hefner and Mchugh.
    That's fair on all fronts. Provided Niese pitches well and Wheeler backs up his AAA success, Gee is a'ight as #5.

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    This team just sucks, how do you sweep the NY Yankees and then lose what looks to be three in a row to the worst freaking team in baseball
    They need to blow this whole team up and start from scratch Damn team is up 6 to 4 , open the bullpen door and its now 11 to 6 making the stinking Marlins look like a baseball powerhouse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fltflo View Post
    This team just sucks, how do you sweep the NY Yankees and then lose what looks to be three in a row to the worst freaking team in baseball
    They need to blow this whole team up and start from scratch Damn team is up 6 to 4 , open the bullpen door and its now 11 to 6 making the stinking Marlins look like a baseball powerhouse.
    It's already blown up. The problem is there's not enough coming to fix their issues. They essentially have 5 MLB players worth anything: Wright, Harvey, Murphy, Niese and Parnell. Tough to win that way. Even if Wheeler and d'Arnaud are all that you could hope for, they're still far away as a team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fltflo View Post
    This team just sucks, how do you sweep the NY Yankees and then lose what looks to be three in a row to the worst freaking team in baseball
    World Series hangover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker134 View Post
    if the Mets smoke the Marlins (as they should) this weekend, they're back in business!
    OR NOT

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDNYjets View Post
    World Series hangover.
    LOL ok that one was good

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    The next level of facepalm.
    http://on.wsj.com/18OBmYY
    LAS VEGAS—For Mets minor leaguers, the last stop before the majors is a dilapidated ballpark 2,200 miles away from Citi Field. It is nestled along a row of abandoned lots and boarded up storefronts 5 miles north of the Las Vegas Strip, just past a motel sign that reads "Elvis Slept Here."
    Cashman Field is the home of the Las Vegas 51s, the Mets' new Triple-A affiliate. And for a Northeast team whose rebuilding plan hinges on the development of its young pitchers, there is no worse place to be.
    "Basically, I can define it as the worst pitching place imaginable," reliever Greg Burke said.
    "It's ridiculous how dry the balls are," top pitching prospect Zack Wheeler said. "It's hard to get a good grip on it."
    "They got no water out here," manager Wally Backman said.
    The arid conditions, which in no way prepare pitchers for those they will face in New York or in most other major-league cities, not only make it hard for them to grip the ball. They make the field so dry and slick that grounders that should be easy outs routinely skip past infielders. They make the ball carry so far that pop flies become cheap home runs, even with an outfield wall that is 20 feet high all around and 433 feet from home plate in center field.
    They make Mets executives, minor-league coaches and players alike wonder how much of the results they're seeing are real and how much are a desert mirage. The implications are significant, both in terms of player evaluation and player development.
    This all begs an obvious question: What are the Mets doing here?
    The answer begins with the nature of the business of minor-league baseball. There are 30 Triple-A affiliates, most of which are independently owned, and 30 MLB teams. The MLB teams choose the players, manager and coaches for the affiliates, making promotions or demotions as they please. The affiliates sell tickets and sponsorships and manage the daily operations.
    Only a handful of team-affiliate agreements expire each year, and if one of them isn't renewed, it creates a game of musical chairs. Las Vegas is the chair no team wants.
    And the Mets have become the fanny no chair wants.
    "They're undesirable," said Dave Rosenfield, a longtime Norfolk (Va.) Tides executive. "Nobody wants them."
    Rosenfield was Norfolk's general manager when it became the Mets' Triple-A affiliate in 1969 (it was named Tidewater then) and was still on the job when the Mets left in late 2006. Only a one-hour flight from New York, Norfolk was perfectly suitable for the Mets. And for decades, the two got along well enough.
    But Rosenfield said the relationship soured after Jeff Wilpon became the Mets' chief operating officer in 2002, after which communication with team officials became "virtually nonexistent."
    "When he became involved in everything was when things changed," Rosenfield said. "I dealt with him on some things and somebody always had to go to him if you wanted to do anything. He had his nose and hands in everything."
    Through a spokesman, Wilpon declined to comment. The Mets released a statement that read: "The limited number of affiliate arrangements and options do create some challenges, all of which are surmountable. We are seeing progress in the performance of our minor-league teams and our players' development throughout our entire system."
    Clearly, though, having a Triple-A affiliate in such an unusual baseball environment makes player evaluation harder, not easier.
    "Performance out there requires a certain amount of interpretation," Mets general manager Sandy Alderson said. "It's like using metal bats in college. It can be a real test for pitchers, but the ones that survive it, we have a little more confidence in."
    The Mets have instructed their Triple-A pitchers not to worry about their results. But for pitchers vying for a promotion to the majors, that is easier said than done. As much as the challenges of pitching here can build mental toughness, they can also prompt pitchers to make adjustments that can hinder their development.
    "It changes your mind-set," Burke said. "You get in situations where you're like, 'I'm not looking for a double play here. I need to strike this guy out because I'm afraid of him putting it in play.'"
    A watered-down playing surface would help allay those concerns, but with only two groundskeepers, there isn't much the 51s can do.
    Marty Brown, who managed the Toronto Blue Jays' Triple-A team in Las Vegas the last two years, said he would often have to water the field himself. During the ninth inning of one game, he said the sprinklers went off and groundskeepers were nowhere to be found. With puddles forming around his pitcher, he picked up a rake and started to repair the mound. "Those things happen there," Brown said.
    Don Logan, executive vice president of the 51s, said staffing is dictated by the team's landlord, the Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority. "I don't complain, because it doesn't do you any good," Logan said. "But any baseball guy knows that this place has some real holes in it."
    Las Vegas may be a paradise for hitters, and for those in need of a confidence boost, playing here isn't such a bad thing. But even for them, there is a downside. Gaudy as their numbers may be, Mets officials are more prone to discount them. "You just look at the batting averages and cut 15 to 20 points off," Mets manager Terry Collins said.
    Another problem for hitters: Unlike most ballparks, the 30-year-old Cashman Field, the fourth-oldest of 30 Triple-A stadiums, doesn't have an indoor batting cage. Hitters who want extra practice must leave the stadium and hit in an outdoor cage alongside the parking lot, where the afternoon temperature is often over 100 degrees.
    "There are two types of amenities: player-development amenities and fan amenities," Logan said. "And we're lacking in both."
    Lastly, there is the inconvenience of having to shuttle players back and forth across the country, which can delay the availability of a player by an extra day. Since 1988, only one other organization has had Triple-A affiliates farther from home (the Miami Marlins briefly had theirs in Edmonton and Calgary). Two of the Mets' division rivals, the Atlanta Braves and Philadelphia Phillies, have their Triple-A teams within 70 miles of their home stadiums.
    In the Norfolk Tides, the Mets had a close affiliate for decades. When Norfolk spurned the Mets' offer to renew their contract in 2006, the Mets moved their Triple-A team to New Orleans—which, like Las Vegas, plays in the Pacific Coast League. Norfolk signed with the Baltimore Orioles. Two years later, the Mets jumped at the chance to move to Buffalo—which, like Norfolk, plays in the East Coast-based International League.
    But the Mets had issues in Buffalo from the outset. Injuries at the major-league level coupled with a lack of minor-league depth left Buffalo with a barren roster in 2009. The Bisons finished with the worst record in the league (56-87). In an attempt to salvage the relationship, the Mets loaded up on minor-league free agents the following winter—which, incidentally, is how they came to sign R.A. Dickey, the 2012 National League Cy Young Award winner who is now with the Toronto Blue Jays.
    Buffalo reupped for another two years in July 2010 and, according to a person familiar with the matter, likely would have done so again in early 2012, when the Bisons were off to a winning start. But the Mets waited and the Bisons imploded, finishing in last place.
    "Basically, they wanted a winner in Buffalo," Alderson said.
    Buffalo dumped the Mets for the Blue Jays. Meanwhile, the Rochester Red Wings, who the Mets viewed as a possible fallback option, renewed their contract with the Minnesota Twins. The Mets had no choice but to move to the one place they had hoped to avoid: Sin City.
    A new ownership group plans to move the 51s to a new stadium in a nearby suburb, but that plan is contingent on gaining approval for some degree of public financing. The earliest a new park could open is 2015, the year after the Mets' deal is up.
    Alderson said it is conceivable the Mets could stay in Vegas for more than two years. But players would no doubt welcome a return to the friendlier confines of the International League.
    After several years in the PCL, Burke, who is now in the Mets' major-league bullpen, recalled the feeling of pitching in Norfolk when he was in the Orioles organization last year.
    "It was awesome," he said. "It was different. It felt like real baseball again."

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