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    Quote Originally Posted by Dcat View Post
    Sorry for the mini rant but what's really wrong with the Jets is that the team has a majorly incompetent owner... one who hasn't got a clue or concept of what good management means. He has never managed anything succefully in his entire silver-spoon life. He meddles and dictates from behind the scenes and makes selling PSLs, tickets and making headlines his priority over anything else. For example, to believe that acquiring Tebow was not exclusively Woody's command is just delusional.

    He is the reason for the team's inability to succeed just like Hess was the problem through the 70's - 90's.
    What owner is competent in the sport they own? Not many, this is a ridiculous statement.

    It's all about who is running the team's operations and coaching the team.

  3. #43
    And LMAO at the SOJF and wannabe SOJF pointing out Ryan as a problem.

    Some fans are just clueless

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Ray19 View Post
    What owner is competent in the sport they own? Not many, this is a ridiculous statement.

    It's all about who is running the team's operations and coaching the team
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    And anyone with a clue knows that owners have no influence on who runs the operation or who coaches.

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Dcat View Post
    Sorry for the mini rant but what's really wrong with the Jets is that the team has a majorly incompetent owner... one who hasn't got a clue or concept of what good management means. He has never managed anything succefully in his entire silver-spoon life. He meddles and dictates from behind the scenes and makes selling PSLs, tickets and making headlines his priority over anything else. For example, to believe that acquiring Tebow was not exclusively Woody's command is just delusional.

    He is the reason for the team's inability to succeed just like Hess was the problem through the 70's - 90's.
    This is nonsense...

    To say the Jets have been unsuccessful under Woody is idiotic... To say they've been successful is also BS...

    The team has been to the playoffs 6 of his 12 years of ownership...

    No Superbowl appearance... Same case for 50% of the league since he purchased the team.

    The Jets are average. Some good years, some bad. Things could obviously be worse, things may get better... It beats what I watched in the mid 90's as a kid...

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by GuidoYaztremski View Post
    And anyone with a clue knows that owners have no influence on who runs the operation or who coaches.
    Owners in general know little, most are incompetent. This is an undeniable fact.

    Sure, some can be influential, look no further than your Cheats, between his influence on Patdell and spygate, and his role with the officiating committee, those cheats have a hell of an owner!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Ray19 View Post
    Owners in general know little, most are incompetent. This is an undeniable fact.

    Sure, some can be influential, look no further than your Cheats, between his influence on Patdell and spygate, and his role with the officiating committee, those cheats have a hell of an owner!
    Please forgive me for denying your "undeniable" fact, but you couldn't be more wrong. Many, if not most of pro franchise owners are self made men whose very success is what allows them to live in the rarefied air of owning an NFL, NBA, MLB, or NHL team. Sure, there are some who's egos get in the way of consistent success (J. Jones, D. Snyder to name two), But there are MANY others who's very strength is their ability to assemble and manage winning organizations. They know what it takes to develop a strong management team and also know when to leave the decision-making to the experts. Yes, Kraft is a good example of this, once he realized he should leave the football decisions to the experts early on in his ownership.

    The problem with Woody, and some others in his mold, is he's a trust fund baby who's never managed a successful organization in his life. Everything he has was handed to him and he lacks the tools to put together a dynamic management team, and at least from the outside, looks like he can't stay out of the way of playing with his shiny toy as well. IMO it's a viable complaint from Jets Fans to point to the owner as one thing "wrong" with the team.
    Last edited by GuidoYaztremski; 04-11-2013 at 08:14 AM.

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by RMJK View Post
    I have another point of view. Did you ever see Tom Brady when he took a few good hits ? He makes sure he runs the ball and get rid of it too quickly. In other words, he is avoiding getting hit again because of the pain/injury factor is in his head. Sanchez took more than his fair share of hits this year and it may have affected his accuracy and season. He is learning a new system on top of everything almost every year. Tom Brady has learned the present system 10 years ago and has had top receivers every year ie.,Moss, Branch,Welker, Gronk.
    I've seen every game that Tom Brady has played, and he does get rid of the ball quickly many times, but he also will stand in there and take the hit in order to deliver the pass.

  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Ray19 View Post
    Owners in general know little, most are incompetent. This is an undeniable fact.

    Sure, some can be influential, look no further than your Cheats, between his influence on Patdell and spygate, and his role with the officiating committee, those cheats have a hell of an owner!
    Ownership is the biggest part of building a successful team just like any other business. The NFL is so profitable and is organized in such a way that Bidwell can make millions. Owning a "successful" business is getting the right management in place. If an owner fails to see results and stays with a guy to long (for ex Detroit/Millen) the team fails not because of a bad GM but from having a bad owner who did not recognize incompetence even when his GM was publicly ridiculed.

    The Pats in the 70s refused to upgrade the facilities or spend money in scouting so they lost Chuck Fairbanks. In the late 80s they lost so much money in outside ventures that they hocked the team and got in so much debt that they could not afford the SB for Cortez Kennedy and had to trade down and this is just a couple of years after going to the SB.

    Please, Don't tell a patriot fan than ownership is not the most important piece of the organization.

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by RMJK View Post
    I have another point of view. Did you ever see Tom Brady when he took a few good hits ? He makes sure he runs the ball and get rid of it too quickly. In other words, he is avoiding getting hit again because of the pain/injury factor is in his head. Sanchez took more than his fair share of hits this year and it may have affected his accuracy and season. He is learning a new system on top of everything almost every year. Tom Brady has learned the present system 10 years ago and has had top receivers every year ie.,Moss, Branch,Welker, Gronk.

    What are you talking about? if the protection is not holding up- you have to get rid of the ball earlier. See Sanchez last year. When Brady is pressured you don't see happy feet or see him abandoning the pocket. And what is too quickly are you saying that the route was taking too long or that he threw the ball inaccurately because of the pressure. Besides Isolated incidences during a game, please point to these games where his accuracy was effected by the rush. I seen him be effected much more by coverage schemes (jets 2010 and the ravens in the last two years) than by pressure.

    Please tell me the patriots top receivers in 2001 to 2006?

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    Quote Originally Posted by persiussa View Post
    I was stunned the other day listening to a season preview on nfl radio for the afc east. The talked about the jets and their perception was that our offensive line was great but we fell short because of a lack of talent in the skill positions. I know we're not great in skill positions but I feel we're serviceable there. My personal evaluation of the team is if we can fix the o line and outside linebacker positions that this team could be better than people think.

    In your opinion what part of the team needs to be fixed most? The o li e or the skill positions?
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    Over the past 10 years

    1) 77 wins/83 losses= 48% win rate. The Jets have been a bit below average over the last ten years

    2) Playoff appearances= 4 . 12/36 teams make the playoffs so average would be 3.3x. The Jets have been a bit above average here.

    Overall, our ten year record is middle of the pack. There has been "nothing wrong" with the Jets however the perception of the team is much worse.

    Reasons
    1) Circus atmosphere- toes, Revis tatoos, superbowl promises etc. Idzik seems to be a good first step to repairing this image but Rex needs to shut up or leave. Perception of team was much better under Mangini
    2) Ownership- after a failed West side stadium bid they joined forces with Giants to build a very expensive MetLife stadium. This was all done in the midst of a major recession. Lots of pressure from the top to sell tickets at "any cost".
    3) Management- to sell as many PSL's as possible they took a "win now" attitude and overpaid for talent such as Santonio while putting the team into salary cap hell. We also failed to adequately rebuild via the draft because we consistently traded away picks.
    4) Sanchez. We took a shot and whiffed- then compounded the mistake by locking him in for more years. Duh!
    5) Patriots- two superbowls in last ten years. Jets 5-22 heads up over the this period including playoffs. How much further could the Jets have gone if they didn't have to play the Pats 2x a year?
    6) Giants - two superbowls in last ten years. Jets 0-3 heads-up vs Giants in last 10 years. Being the second best team in your home city is tough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuidoYaztremski View Post
    Please forgive me for denying your "undeniable" fact, but you couldn't be more wrong. Many, if not most of pro franchise owners are self made men whose very success is what allows them to live in the rarefied air of owning an NFL, NBA, MLB, or NHL team.
    Most? Paul Allen and Shahid Khan are the only ones I can think of

  14. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by GuidoYaztremski View Post
    Please forgive me for denying your "undeniable" fact, but you couldn't be more wrong. Many, if not most of pro franchise owners are self made men whose very success is what allows them to live in the rarefied air of owning an NFL, NBA, MLB, or NHL team. Sure, there are some who's egos get in the way of consistent success (J. Jones, D. Snyder to name two), But there are MANY others who's very strength is their ability to assemble and manage winning organizations. They know what it takes to develop a strong management team and also know when to leave the decision-making to the experts. Yes, Kraft is a good example of this, once he realized he should leave the football decisions to the experts early on in his ownership.

    The problem with Woody, and some others in his mold, is he's a trust fund baby who's never managed a successful organization in his life. Everything he has was handed to him and he lacks the tools to put together a dynamic management team, and at least from the outside, looks like he can't stay out of the way of playing with his shiny toy as well. IMO it's a viable complaint from Jets Fans to point to the owner as one thing "wrong" with the team.


    blah blah blah the statement was about the owner's competence of the sport for the team they own, not their business success. No effing DUH these people are smart and successful, otherwise they wouldn't be owners.

    Woody is not a problem, he is not hindering the process of putting a successful product on the field, he is hiring people he feels comfortable with and knows he needs the right people to run the football operations side of the franchise. This isn't a Jerry Jones situation, a meddling owner who thinks he knows more than he does. Woody doesn't hide from his faults or his weakness as a football savvy owner, and has no problem using whatever resource necessary to get the team where it needs to be and where fans want it to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Ray19 View Post


    blah blah blah the statement was about the owner's competence of the sport for the team they own, not their business success. No effing DUH these people are smart and successful, otherwise they wouldn't be owners.

    Woody is not a problem, he is not hindering the process of putting a successful product on the field, he is hiring people he feels comfortable with and knows he needs the right people to run the football operations side of the franchise. This isn't a Jerry Jones situation, a meddling owner who thinks he knows more than he does. Woody doesn't hide from his faults or his weakness as a football savvy owner, and has no problem using whatever resource necessary to get the team where it needs to be and where fans want it to be.
    Good owners who have built successful businesses know how to put a successful management team together. That should be their #1 contribution to their sports franchise. Woody has no such experience. He has never grown anything. Woody chose to hang with Tanny, and now Rex. Seems to me many Jets fans aren't at all comfortable with that decision making.

  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by CleatMarks View Post
    Most? Paul Allen and Shahid Khan are the only ones I can think of
    lol...really?

    Think harder.

  17. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by GuidoYaztremski View Post
    Good owners who have built successful businesses know how to put a successful management team together. That should be their #1 contribution to their sports franchise. Woody has no such experience. He has never grown anything. Woody chose to hang with Tanny, and now Rex. Seems to me many Jets fans aren't at all comfortable with that decision making.
    Tanny and Rex have delivered him 2 AFCCG's so far, Rex still being with the team after 4 years. Woody has had the luxury of having a competitive team since buying the team from Hess when Parcells was in charge, there have been ups an downs, but overall the Jets' achievements since 96, far outweigh the times before Woody which were an embarrassment, and this was an era where the SOJF's earned their meal ticket.

    Meanwhile, your owner loves cheating, the game, Patdell, the referees, and with women young enough to be his daughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Ray19 View Post
    Tanny and Rex have delivered him 2 AFCCG's so far, Rex still being with the team after 4 years. Woody has had the luxury of having a competitive team since buying the team from Hess when Parcells was in charge, there have been ups an downs, but overall the Jets' achievements since 96, far outweigh the times before Woody which were an embarrassment, and this was an era where the SOJF's earned their meal ticket.

    Meanwhile, your owner loves cheating, the game, Patdell, the referees, and with women young enough to be his daughter.
    And your clueless owner loves cheating (trip gate, tampering multiple times, illegal videotaping), Jetdell, the press, and married a woman young enough to be his daughter. ....So where did THAT get us?

    Difference remains that Kraft has a long history of building success both on and off the field. Woody, on the other hand, has never built a damn thing. Many would say the mere fact that Rex is still the HC after such a huge collapse, is further proof of Woody's cluelessness. In Rex's first two years the team was built to win it all and he came up woefully small. last year, this year and possibly the following year(s) are the price due for the way his "managers" assembled the team on borrowed money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southparkcpa View Post
    I know ..thats why a few of us "older" posters (im 50) believe in the curse.
    Pffffffffffft...thought for sure you were a 12 year old child

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    Quote Originally Posted by RMJK View Post
    I have another point of view. Did you ever see Tom Brady when he took a few good hits ? He makes sure he runs the ball and get rid of it too quickly. In other words, he is avoiding getting hit again because of the pain/injury factor is in his head. Sanchez took more than his fair share of hits this year and it may have affected his accuracy and season. He is learning a new system on top of everything almost every year. Tom Brady has learned the present system 10 years ago and has had top receivers every year ie.,Moss, Branch,Welker, Gronk.
    Why dont other posters see this!!!!

    People love to say well such and such QB, Rogers for example, got sacked more!!!!

    So what?

    That misses how Sanchez got hit and the manner in which Sanchez got hit which are extremely relevant (eg.Wayne Hunter). People out here who cant break an egg are saying that Sanchez running for his life the last two years should have no bearing on his play!!!!

    Yea that makes perfect sense....

    I loved when people said oh just throw anybody back there and they will show Sanchez is an idiot. Well remember when "Big Brain McElroy" was going to show us all. He did....

    Yea he showed us all that he all most got killed that is what he showed us.

    The same loney tune group then said out here in post after post that the Jets OL somehow conspired for their own QB to get sacked 11 times!!!!

    You can't make this foolishness up!!!!

    Has Sanchez played well last year? Nooooooooooo!!!!!!

    But for people to say it doesnt matter what talent Sanchez has around him is INSANE!!!!

    If that were the case the Pats would just get five guys from the tail gate parking lot for Brady to throw to!!!!

    You need talent to win at the skill positions in the NFL this isn't FF!!!

    Good Grief!!!!

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