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Thread: Peter King says that Rex is "smitten" with Mingo

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    Quote Originally Posted by augustiniak View Post
    mad libs: "Rex Ryan is smitten with _________" (provide defensive player's name)
    I saw NFL Net do an analysis of Mingo. Too small, NOT a difference maker at the NFL level.

    Could we get some personnel on Offense....PLEASE, so when the new QB gets here, there is something to work with?

    You have no difference makers at the skill positions and basically a CFL QB behind center, you won't score many points, and guess what...that's exactly what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF View Post
    I saw NFL Net do an analysis of Mingo. Too small, NOT a difference maker at the NFL level.

    Could we get some personnel on Offense....PLEASE, so when the new QB gets here, there is something to work with?

    You have no difference makers at the skill positions and basically a CFL QB behind center, you won't score many points, and guess what...that's exactly what happened.
    This plus a trillion!

    So sick of this team not understanding comparative advantage. Rex has a particular set of skills that can turn a bunch of jags and possibly ex-jaguars into a top ten defense. The marginal value you get on top defensive talent is minimized by Rex.

    Meanwhile, Rex's offense couldnt score on the Summit Red Raiders. This team sorely needs top offensive talent: given Rex's skills, such talent will make a much bigger overall impact than top defensive talent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruby2 View Post
    This. Tony said numerous times that he knew for a fact that if Ingram was available the Jets would take him, not to mention he also knew that Ingram was going to go in the top 12. This is not meant as a knock on Tony at all, it just shows how much misinformation is really out there.
    Cornelius Washington - DL - Player

    NFL Draft insider Tony Pauline reports the Jets are "very high on" Georgia DE Cornelius Washington.

    Per Pauline, the Jets are expected to consider Washington on the draft's second day. Washington blew up the Combine with a 4.55 forty and 1.60 ten-yard split at 6-foot-4 and 265 pounds. Washington's production (0.5 sacks) was alarming as Georgia miscast him as a five-technique, 3-4 end, but he certainly is athletic enough to convert to base 4-3 defensive end or outside-rush linebacker.

    Source: Tony Pauline

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    From Tony Pauline, draftinsider.net:

    Barkevious Mingo
    School: LSU
    Position: OLB
    Bio: All-Conference selection the past two seasons starting 10 games as a junior in 2012 and four games the prior year. Totals last season included 38 tackles/8.5 tackles for loss/4.5 sacks after 46/15/8 as a sophomore in 2011.

    Positive: Explosive, game-changing front seven player with the ability to line up at several positions. Displays outstanding movement skills, shows tremendous edge speed, and flashes power. Effectively uses his hands to protect himself, rarely knocked off his feet, and plays with good knee bend. Forceful, quick moving in every direction, and overruns blocks to make plays behind the line of scrimmage. Can bend off the edge, has a burst of speed, and shows ability in pursuit. Easily changes direction or immediately alters his angle of attack, losing little momentum. To his credit does not bite on ball fakes and stays with assignments. Covers a lot of area. Effective chasing the action in pursuit or making plays in space.

    Negative: Handled by strong run-blocking lineman when he comes out of a three-point stance. At times slow locating the ball. Will over pursue plays and takes himself from the action on occasion. Didn E(TM)t seem to play with a sense of urgency in 2012.

    Analysis: Mingo is a forceful defender with the ability to alter the momentum of games and disrupt the action. He offers potential as a 3-4 outside linebacker as well as a situational pass-rushing defensive end. Mingo comes with Pro Bowl ability if he consistently plays at a high level.


    That is nothing like Gholston.......

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    Are some people forgetting that there are NO offensive playmakers at the top of this draft?

    Just because the Jets draft defense doesn't mean that Rex made the pick himself.

    Of course, this thinking is too complicated for some of the likes on this site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astoria View Post
    This plus a trillion!

    So sick of this team not understanding comparative advantage. Rex has a particular set of skills that can turn a bunch of jags and possibly ex-jaguars into a top ten defense. The marginal value you get on top defensive talent is minimized by Rex.

    Meanwhile, Rex's offense couldnt score on the Summit Red Raiders. This team sorely needs top offensive talent: given Rex's skills, such talent will make a much bigger overall impact than top defensive talent.
    One last time:

    THERE ISN'T ANY TOP OFFENSIVE TALENT AT THE TOP OF THIS DRAFT!

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    This is called a smokescreen portion of the draft process..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eckesg1 View Post
    One last time:

    THERE ISN'T ANY TOP OFFENSIVE TALENT AT THE TOP OF THIS DRAFT!
    Except maybe on the Oline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by persiussa View Post
    The knocks I've seen on mingo is that he's a nonfactor when he's double teamed. That will happen much less as an olb. And besides I'm pretty sure with Wilkerson and coples out there they won't be doubling mingo.
    I just mentioned that Mingo had contain responsibilities on the QB, and edge setting responsibilities, on RBs. He was not allowed to split double teams, or try to avoid blockers. Try and keep that in mind when watching the tape, and you'll see that it's discipline he's showing when it looks like a lack of urgency. He is too slight to be a DE, but he'll make a great OLB. People need to watch the 2011 highlights of him to see the type of edge rusher he can be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RIJetFan View Post
    Except maybe on the Oline.
    Most of the O-line talent might be gone by the time we pick. Warmack and Fisher might not be there.

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    what a surprise- Rex wants to draft defense
    just demote this buffoon to defensive coordinator already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NY's stepchild View Post
    I just mentioned that Mingo had contain responsibilities on the QB, and edge setting responsibilities, on RBs. He was not allowed to split double teams, or try to avoid blockers. Try and keep that in mind when watching the tape, and you'll see that it's discipline he's showing when it looks like a lack of urgency. He is too slight to be a DE, but he'll make a great OLB. People need to watch the 2011 highlights of him to see the type of edge rusher he can be.
    Yep, I noted that in the draft forum, specifically versus Texas A&M. Manziel had 17 carries for 27 yards that day, by far his worst output of the season. It was also one of only two games last year where he did not run for a TD. Mingo's strength isn't the run game (especially out of a three point stance), but it should be noted that he had one TFL on a Manziel rush and also pressured him on another where he gained only like one yard.

    When the guy has space to work with, it allows him to use his hands, which he does well for a guy his size. Out of a two point stance, this guy can be an explosive pass rusher. You must also consider the fact that they had Mingo playing strong side end out of four AND three man fronts which is absurdly stupid. With the Jets, he'd be playing off the line of scrimmage and probably mostly on the weak side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eckesg1 View Post
    One last time:

    THERE ISN'T ANY TOP OFFENSIVE TALENT AT THE TOP OF THIS DRAFT!
    1. Luke Joeckel
    2. Eric Fisher
    3. Lane Johnson
    4. Geno Smith
    5. Tavon Austin
    6. Chance Warmack

    I'll wouldn't mind taking with #9

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF View Post
    I saw NFL Net do an analysis of Mingo. Too small, NOT a difference maker at the NFL level.

    Could we get some personnel on Offense....PLEASE, so when the new QB gets here, there is something to work with?

    You have no difference makers at the skill positions and basically a CFL QB behind center, you won't score many points, and guess what...that's exactly what happened.
    Agreed. The beginning on the NEW Jets was drafting Mangold and Brick and having a solid O line. Yes we also got GREAT D but without an OLINE, little else matters.

    Rex doesn't care though.... he want a top D at almost all costs.

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    Fixed.

    Quote Originally Posted by cant wait View Post
    Good... we desperately need an OLB... except mingo is the next Vernon Gholston

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toooon View Post
    Fixed.
    What about mingo reminds you of gholston? Or were you one of the people on here calling coples the next gholston too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astoria View Post
    This plus a trillion!

    So sick of this team not understanding comparative advantage. Rex has a particular set of skills that can turn a bunch of jags and possibly ex-jaguars into a top ten defense. The marginal value you get on top defensive talent is minimized by Rex.

    Meanwhile, Rex's offense couldnt score on the Summit Red Raiders. This team sorely needs top offensive talent: given Rex's skills, such talent will make a much bigger overall impact than top defensive talent.
    Thank you.

    And what you wrote a trillion +1.

    Their philosophy is to lose every game 3-0.

    I don't care that there is supposedly no top end Offense talent at the skill positions this year. There is on the O-line. Beef it up, it dictates the game, it's the most important unit of all. I want the next QB to have as many pieces in place as possible and he still won't have 1/2 as much as Sanchez was given. Ryan will always have a Defense that keeps you in the game, provided you have a QB that doesn't lead the league in 3 and outs and keeps his D on the field 45 minutes a game, game in and game out, which in fact aren't many QB's on NFL rosters...but that is what the one we have currently is.

    Draft Offense, give the job to Garrard, win 5 games and we Draft a QB next year.

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    Tis the season for misinformation. Nothing you read from here to the draft means much of anything...especially if it comes from King.

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    Jets have gone defense in the first round 4 of the past 5 years (Gholston, Wilson, Wilkerson, Coples), that's a lot of resources into one side of the ball.

    Jets should take Warmack, I think he'll be there at #9 and has to be the pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astoria View Post
    This plus a trillion!

    So sick of this team not understanding comparative advantage. Rex has a particular set of skills that can turn a bunch of jags and possibly ex-jaguars into a top ten defense. The marginal value you get on top defensive talent is minimized by Rex.

    Meanwhile, Rex's offense couldnt score on the Summit Red Raiders. This team sorely needs top offensive talent: given Rex's skills, such talent will make a much bigger overall impact than top defensive talent.
    I know we all like this cliche, but where exactly is the proof? I mean, sure he's a great DC, but when was he DOMINANT without players like Suggs, Lewis, Ngata, Reed, etc? And don't tell me he was the reason they played so well, because they continued to dominate after he left.

    Not a knock on Rex, just an observation that if we want to dominate on that side of the ball, we need dominant players. If you think dominance is a possibility on the offensive side, more power to you -- I don't see it. Could that change in the future? Sure, but I'm not sure a "dominant guard" is going to get us there . . .

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