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    Quote Originally Posted by King Koopa View Post
    Mingo

    Then Austin or Cooper
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    Quote Originally Posted by DBAKE View Post
    then why wont he bench for teams....he didnt at his pro-day or the combine
    Here's NFL Scouts analysis... one of a number with a professional eye:

    Overview

    Mingo’s long, lean frame sticks out to fans and scouts alike, almost as much as his unusual name. His svelte build was one reason his mother (who combined her name, Barbara, with the name Kevious to make his unusual moniker) did not want him or his two brothers playing football. But his athleticism and height eventually got him on the gridiron as a high school junior –- and he proved too productive wherever he lined up to be taken off the field.


    Though "KeKe" only started three of the 14 games he played in 2011 due to the team’s depth at the position, the Louisiana native received second-team All-SEC notice from league media after racking up 15 tackles for loss and eight sacks (including two against SEC West rivals Arkansas and Auburn). This breakout season was portended by his flashes of brilliance in his redshirt freshman season (35 tackles, 5.5 tackles for loss, 2.5 sacks) where league coaches named him to their freshman All-SEC team.


    Mingo’s production slipped a bit during his junior season (38 tackles, 8.5 tackles for loss, 4.5 sacks), but he once again earned second-team All-Conference honors. His usage at LSU didn’t totally fit his skill set, and he has some holes in his game, but his overall talent as a pass rusher will likely be too great for teams to ignore.
    Analysis

    Strengths

    Tall, long and explosive pass rusher who projects best as a stand-up, weakside edge rusher in the NFL. Incredible first step off the snap, can turn the corner on the outside and shimmy inside against leaning tackles. Not a contact-shy player despite his slight build, often lines up on the strong side and/or inside of tight ends in a tight alignment. Strong player setting the edge against the run. Willing to take on tackles man-up, extends his arms to keep distance and can get off to grab backs trying to get through the hole. Takes tight ends backwards into the background using his length and foot work. Works through blocks to get down the line to chase plays. Overall agility and length make him effective in coverage, can stay with running backs out of the backfield and wrap up receivers in space. Excellent straight-line speed shows when chasing down plays from behind. Uses his length and jumping ability to knock down passes if unable to reach the quarterback. Weaknesses

    Very lean player, likely too thin in the hips to grow into an every-down defensive end. Needs to shed more consistently to prevent plays from getting outside of him. Long legs get in his way at times when trying to change directions quickly. Often gets too focused on scrapping with his blocker instead of getting his eyes in the backfield to find the ball. Did not progress in terms of pass rush moves during his career. Great player off the snap of the ball, but too often allows the offensive tackle to recover because he lacks a move to disengage. NFL Comparison

    DeMarcus Ware Bottom Line

    Mingo looks almost too lean to handle the physicality of NFL linemen, but has surprising strength to go along with the elite length and straight-line speed to rack up double-digit sack numbers (he had eight in 2011) and track down ball carriers (15 tackles for loss) as a 3-4 rush linebacker at the next level. He is a proverbial boom or bust prospect. Mingo's production dropped as a junior, and he failed to show much overall growth in his game over the course of his career. However, KeKe flashed the talent and projectable skills to be a dominant NFL pass rusher, and a position switch will likely serve him well, as the LSU Tiger was too often asked to play in a tight alignment on the strong side in college – a poor use of his strengths. Mingo's length, athleticism, and pass rush talent figure to make him a top 20 selection in the draft.

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    Here's another from Rob Rang at CBS:

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    03/29/2013 - 2013 LSU Pro Day: With a large contingent of NFL representatives on-hand, 20 draft-eligible Tigers worked out in Baton Rouge at LSU's on-campus pro day on Wednesday. Most of the top prospects like Barkevious Mingo and Tyrann Mathieu decided to stand on their times from the combine, but several other players were able to perform in front of several general managers and head coaches, including the Steelers' Mike Tomlin and the Saints' Sean Payton.
    Mathieu and Mingo participated in positional drills and both impressed throughout the afternoon. Afterward, they were also popular in interviews as well, with the Honey Badger spending extensive time with Tomlin and several of the other NFL assistant coaches on campus. Mathieu is expected to be drafted sometime on the second day of the draft and Mingo is a likely first-round pick. Head coach Les Miles added that he wouldn't be surprised if Mingo is the "first defensive player off the board." - Dane Brugler, NFLDraftScout.com


    Overview
    Like most of LSU's top players, Mingo was a highly regarded prep prospect. Unlike the majority of the Tigers, however, he hadn't been highly touted for long as Mingo only began playing football as a junior in high school. Nevertheless, the speed Mingo had demonstrated as a track athlete that led the coaches at West Monroe High School (West Monroe, La.) to convince him to play quickly resulted in his catching the attention of college teams, as well.

    Mingo signed with LSU in 2009 but redshirted. He proved himself to be a playmaker once he did get on the field, posting 35 tackles, 5.5 tackles for loss, 2.5 sacks and two forced fumbles despite only starting one game (saw action in all 13) in 2010.

    Though he'd demonstrated great speed off the edge and uncommon awareness to get those long arms into passing lanes (second on the team with six passes defensed), no one could have foreseen his breakout 2011 campaign. The LSU coaches certainly didn't. Mingo began the season behind veteran Ken Adams at left defensive end and actually only started four games in 2011. That didn't stop him from registering 46 tackles, including 15 tackles for loss (leading the team) and eight sacks (second on team).

    Mingo possesses the frame (6-5, 240 pounds) and athleticism to warrant top 10 consideration, but at this point he remains a largely unpolished product who relies on his natural tools rather than technique to make plays.
    Given Mingo's upside, it is easy to imagine him terrorizing NFL quarterbacks off the edge as a multi-dimensional defender. Considering Mingo's relatively pedestrian numbers (38 tackles, 8.5 tackles for loss, 4.5 sacks) in 2012, however, the junior might have been better served returning to Baton Rouge for his senior season.


    Analysis
    Strengths: Possesses a lean, athletic build with plenty of room for additional muscle mass. Has an explosive first step and the combination of flexibility and closing speed to exponentially add to his sack numbers in the more pass-happy NFL than he had while at LSU. Alert defender who will get his long arms into passing lanes when unable to get to the quarterback. More physical than his frame looks. Fights through blockers at the line of scrimmage to make plays in the running game and anchors surprisingly well given his lean lower half. Possesses as much upside as any prospect in the 2013 draft.

    Weaknesses: Looks more like a small forward than an NFL defensive end and could be asked to make the transition to outside linebacker, a position he's never played. While possessing explosive straight-line speed, has very long legs, which make him less fluid when changing directions than ideal. Relies upon his burst upfield to beat pass blockers and simply hasn't developed the counter moves to complement his speed in three seasons of action, leading to some concerns that he won't.

    Compares To: Bruce Irvin, DE, Seattle Seahawks -- Mingo is longer than Irvin and therefore possesses more athletic upside. Like Irvin, who led all rookies with eight sacks in 2012, Mingo's speed should result in eye-popping numbers immediately. He doesn't have an effective counter yet, however, and is a liability against the run, at this time.
    --Rob Rang

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    Ansah or Jarvis Jones. If the front office doesn't believe in either of these two I would be fine with Cooper as a less exciting, but very solid pick.

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    Star and Mingo

    Now defense is set up to be dominant.

    OG, TE, WR. Next 3 picks

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    Quote Originally Posted by DBAKE View Post
    If the draft falls as followed who are you taking at the #9 and hoping for at the #13 assuming Revis is traded.....

    1) Chiefs -- L. Joeckel
    2) Jaguars-- D. Jordan
    3) Raiders-- S. Floyd
    4) Eagles-- G. Smith
    5) Lions --- E. Fisher
    6) Browns-- D. Milliner
    7) Cards--- L. Johnson
    8) Bills-- ---C. Warmack
    If it played out like that, I would be taking Star as well with the #9 pick, and then, IF we had #13 as well, I would be trading down with Atlanta (who wants to move up for a CB) and taking their 1st, 3rd and 4th (they have two fourths thanks to a comp pick), and then look at a CB like Jamar Taylor. This way, we have Star and Jamar in the 1st, and still have a 2nd, two 3's and two 4's to deal with SS, FS, OG, WR and OLB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DBAKE View Post
    If the draft falls as followed who are you taking at the #9 and hoping for at the #13 assuming Revis is traded.....

    1) Chiefs -- L. Joeckel
    2) Jaguars-- D. Jordan
    3) Raiders-- S. Floyd
    4) Eagles-- G. Smith
    5) Lions --- E. Fisher
    6) Browns-- D. Milliner
    7) Cards--- L. Johnson
    8) Bills-- ---C. Warmack


    as for me I take Star Lotulelei with the 9 and hope for J. Cooper at 13 if he is gone..... zig Ansah .
    interested in others picks under these conditions.
    Jarvis or Star at 9

    And Eifert if they get 13 from TB

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMikeIsHot View Post
    Jarvis or Star at 9

    And Eifert if they get 13 from TB
    no way on jarvis...but all for star at 9 , eifert at 13

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    Quote Originally Posted by jersey joe View Post
    Star and Mingo

    Now defense is set up to be dominant.

    OG, TE, WR. Next 3 picks
    In terms of value, that would make a lot of sense. But this board would go nuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by long island leprechaun View Post
    In terms of value, that would make a lot of sense. But this board would go nuts.
    yes it would go nuts but I WOULD LOVE TO GET BACK TO THE DAYS OF THAT #1 RANKED DEFENSE!!!!

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