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    Register every gun purchase with the serial number and bore to the owner and make the owner liable for any crime committed with their gun. The responsible gun owner is fully protected.

    No background checks needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    Register every gun purchase with the serial number and bore to the owner and make the owner liable for any crime committed with their gun. The responsible gun owner is fully protected.

    No background checks needed.


    Criminals routinely remove serial numbers through filing or chemicals.
    I have no problem with background checks to eliminate mentally ill or people with criminal records. In reality you can never stop gun violence. Severe prison terms for crimes with guns can help. How about some lib judges giving them out. Make them mandatory - no leniency.

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    I thought this was a great response to the new gun bill.

    http://reason.com/archives/2013/04/1...y-wants-on-gun

    Who Cares What the Majority Wants on Guns?

    David Harsanyi|Apr. 18, 2013 10:30 am


    President Barack Obama has been struggling to wrap his head around the "unimaginable" idea that Congress may "defy" the American people and stop a vote on a gun control package compromise. The notion, he says, resists the "overwhelming instinct of the American people" after the massacre in Newtown, Conn., to pass gun control legislation.


    Well, the unthinkable happened. The Senate's sweeping gun legislation came up short on the votes required to move forward. And despite all the idealistic calls for passage and despite the fact that many pundits and advocates seem to believe that something should be law simply because "the vast majority of Americans" support it, not every issue deserves a majoritarian decision.


    To begin with, whether Democrats like it or not, this issue concerns the Constitution -- where stuff was written down for a reason. That's not to say that expanding background checks or banning "assault rifles" would be unconstitutional (though you may believe they both should be). It's to say that when you begin meddling with protections explicitly laid out in the founding document, a 60-vote threshold that slows down stampeding legislators is the least we deserve.


    The Founding Fathers worried that "some common impulse of passion" might lead many to subvert the rights of the few. It's a rational fear, one that is played out endlessly. Obama, who understands how to utilize public passion better than most, flew some of the Newtown families to Washington for a rally, imploring Americans to put "politics" aside and stop engaging in "political stunts." This is, by any measure, a preposterous assertion coming from a politician piggybacking tragic events for political gain. It would have been one thing, I suppose, if the gun control legislation written in the aftershock of a gruesome massacre had anything to do with the topic at hand. But what senators came up with would have done nothing to stop the shooter in Newtown -- or the one in Aurora, Colo. Passions can be aggravated by events, but in this case, events have little to do with the policy at hand.


    Cabinet positions and judges should probably not be held up over ideological concerns. But if Washington is internalizing the 60-vote threshold as the barrier to pass legislation, voters should be grateful. Considering Washington's propensity to politicize everything and its increasingly centralized power (what your health care looks like is now up for national referendums, for instance), slowing things down can only help.


    I'm not operating under the delusion that any of this is good national politics for Republicans -- though the arguments about obstructionism's dooming the GOP are probably overblown. No doubt, when the next disaster hits -- and it will -- Democrats will blame the overlords at the National Rifle Association and Republicans for the act of a madman. That's life.


    But generally speaking, it'd be nice if Congress occasionally challenged the vagaries of American majority "instinct." Though it might seem antithetical to their very existence, politicians should be less susceptible to the temporary whims, ideological currents and fears of the majority.

    Theoretically, at least, elected officials' first concern is the Constitution.

    And if the need for gun control is predicated chiefly on the polls taken immediately after a traumatic national event, they have a perfectly reasonable justification to slow things down. In fact, if Washington internalizes the 60-vote threshold as a matter of routine, voters should be grateful. Considering Washington's propensity to politicize everything and its increasingly centralized power (what your health care looks like is now up for national referendums, for instance), this might be the only way left to diffuse democracy.





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    Quote Originally Posted by palmetto defender View Post
    Criminals routinely remove serial numbers through filing or chemicals.
    I have no problem with background checks to eliminate mentally ill or people with criminal records. In reality you can never stop gun violence. Severe prison terms for crimes with guns can help. How about some lib judges giving them out. Make them mandatory - no leniency.
    They should include a ballistic fingerprint with the gun serial number on the registration.

    Who qualifies what is mentally incompetent? How does being mentally incompetent deny you of 2nd amendment rights?

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    The Republicans kill a bill that 90 percent of America wanted. A real mystery why their party is a laughing stock. Had they given in on this one, and it's only registration, they would have gained some favor. How dumb are these old fogeys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy® View Post
    The Republicans kill a bill that 90 percent of America wanted. A real mystery why their party is a laughing stock. Had they given in on this one, and it's only registration, they would have gained some favor. How dumb are these old fogeys?
    Not dumb it's the constitution. Right to Bear arms is one of the people's rights determined by our founding fathers. And I voted for Obama twice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detjetsfan View Post
    Not dumb it's the constitution. Right to Bear arms is one of the people's rights determined by our founding fathers. And I voted for Obama twice.
    A regulated militia.

    Go read it. It says it in the constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy® View Post
    The Republicans kill a bill that 90 percent of America wanted. A real mystery why their party is a laughing stock. Had they given in on this one, and it's only registration, they would have gained some favor. How dumb are these old fogeys?


    The bill failed because Obama couldn't get enough Democrats to support it. This is not on the Republicans at all.

    New York Governor Andrew Cuomo (D) should spend some time with Obama teaching Obama how to be an executive, a leader, a manager. It...might help.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy® View Post
    The Republicans kill a bill that 90 percent of America wanted. A real mystery why their party is a laughing stock. Had they given in on this one, and it's only registration, they would have gained some favor. How dumb are these old fogeys?
    It failed to pass the Democratically-controlled Senate. Don't buy into Obama's rhetoric. If he had all the Dems on board this would have been a home run. All they needed was 4 more Dem votes and to peel off one more R (which actually wouldn't have been difficult). But Obama has to come out and blame Republicans because that's been his M.O. since Nancy Pelosi gutted Obamacare. He has no control over his own party, and it kills him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker134 View Post
    his speech just now in Boston wasn't much better....nasty, nasty guy when he doesn't get his way
    And not for nothing, what took him so long to get there?

    Oh wait...he was planning on "winning" the background check vote and was looking forward to his victory speech.

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    Yee haw america!!!


    Only this country is so dumb to outlaw brass knuckles and switchblades, but guns? No. Don't ban them.


    We deserve what we get. Deal with the bloodshed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlumberKhan View Post
    A regulated militia.

    Go read it. It says it in the constitution.
    Give it up. All these idiots trumpeting the idea that the Bill of Rights supports the idea of gun toting gone wild simply haven't read or don't understand the Second Amendment, or simply aren't interested in grammar and syntax. These are the same clowns who think the First Amendment sanctions us to say anything we want, in any place we choose. Dumb and dumber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonhomme Richard View Post
    It failed to pass the Democratically-controlled Senate. Don't buy into Obama's rhetoric. If he had all the Dems on board this would have been a home run. All they needed was 4 more Dem votes and to peel off one more R (which actually wouldn't have been difficult). But Obama has to come out and blame Republicans because that's been his M.O. since Nancy Pelosi gutted Obamacare. He has no control over his own party, and it kills him.


    And I have NO problem with background checks.

    THe NRA is knee-jerkin because ambitious boobs like Andrew Cuomo just criminalized thousands of law abiding NY gun owners including retired Law Enforcement with magazine restrictions (the magazines I retired with now make me a perp.)...with a law that doesnt touch illegal gun possessors or prevent the flow of black market guns from the south into NY.

    I'm no fan of the NRA leadership, they are bloviators and out of touch..., but I believe guns are a fact of American life (the closing the barn door after the horse has escaped theorum)...

    Cuomo, in his ambitious Presidential bid...punished law abiding citizens with rushed and ill thought out legislation that is still being amended ad nauseum because of its sloppiness, thus inflaming the gun lobby....he is as responsible as anyone, imho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by long island leprechaun View Post
    Give it up. All these idiots trumpeting the idea that the Bill of Rights supports the idea of gun toting gone wild simply haven't read or don't understand the Second Amendment, or simply aren't interested in grammar and syntax. These are the same clowns who think the First Amendment sanctions us to say anything we want, in any place we choose. Dumb and dumber.
    The second amendment.

    Why can't I defend my home with landmines? Why is it that I can only use a f*cking gun? Why can't in defend myself with a hand grenade? Or a Molitov cocktail?

    Why?

    Because Landmines aren't an American billion a year business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonhomme Richard View Post
    It failed to pass the Democratically-controlled Senate. Don't buy into Obama's rhetoric. If he had all the Dems on board this would have been a home run. All they needed was 4 more Dem votes and to peel off one more R (which actually wouldn't have been difficult). But Obama has to come out and blame Republicans because that's been his M.O. since Nancy Pelosi gutted Obamacare. He has no control over his own party, and it kills him.
    Who has control over either party? It's a giant clusterf@ck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cr726 View Post
    Who has control over either party? It's a giant clusterf@ck.
    Oh please. It's funny because Biden was actually in the Senate for 20+ years, and even he doesn't have enough juice to get Senators from his own party on board with the president. Two words sum up this administration to a T: ineffectual leadership. Obama turns people off because he's arrogant, and Biden is a court jester.

    But people blame the old white men of the Republican Party because its easy (and also very lazy).

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    We would have been so much better off with Hillary. The Clintons are old school Washington politicos, they know how to make deals, they know how to horse trade behind closed doors. That's how you win in Washington. You don't charge in under a mantle of change, and install campaign *******s like Axelrod and Plouffe in policy positions, and think you know more than everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonhomme Richard View Post
    We would have been so much better off with Hillary. The Clintons are old school Washington politicos, they know how to make deals, they know how to horse trade behind closed doors. That's how you win in Washington. You don't charge in under a mantle of change, and install campaign *******s like Axelrod and Plouffe in policy positions, and think you know more than everyone else.
    AGREED- from this morning's London Telegraph:

    Barack Obama is a lame-duck president. Nobody listens to what he says anymore, nobody is interested in winning his approval and nobody much cares if he thinks they have “let the country down”. This is typical for a second-term president who has lost all their leverage because they’re no longer running for office and everybody is patiently waiting for the day when he quits the White House. But Obama's difficult personality has doubled the size of the challenge. Gloating in victory, adolescent in defeat – the Prez doesn’t make it easy to work with him. Why should conservative senators give him a legislative victory after he has spent four years painting them as knuckle-dragging rednecks who hate women and the poor?

    Whatever your position on gun control, yesterday’s events are a damning indictment of Obama’s presidency – a flash of style, lots of soaring rhetoric and, when the votes are actually counted, little show for any of it. America has four more years of this lame-duck president telling them that it has let him down. If only he could tear up the Constitution and rule by diktat he might save himself a little disappointment. Alas, American democracy is a stickler for rules.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FF2® View Post
    Thats what I mean, What else was in there?
    we have to pass the legislation to find out what's in it.

    To illustrate how slimy the media is: they keep saying that Congress is full of cowards for not passing this bill, when they should be saying the Senate. "Congress" implies the House of Representatives to most people. But the Senate is D controlled, House is R controlled, so who gets the blame? yup.

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