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    "Hey, Don't F*$% This Up: The Jets' New Start"

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    Hey, Don't F*$% This Up: The Jets' New Start
    By Robert Mays on April 22, 2013 5:06 PM ET

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    With the NFL offseason trudging along, there are plenty of questions for every NFL team. But for most, there's one issue that trumps the rest. This is the latest in a team-by-team look at the offseason tasks that just can't get botched.

    The Mike Tannenbaum era for the New York Jets will, justly, be remembered for two things. The first is the freewheeling 2008 offseason that saw the Jets bring in a massive free-agent class designed to retool a team that went 4-12 a season earlier. Before ascending to his role as general manager, Tannenbaum had earned a reputation as a cap master, and the complications that come with several huge veteran contracts seemed to be ones he was leaving to Future Mike. Well, putting his franchise against the cap with a bunch of misplaced free-agency money was enough to ensure that we never actually got to Future Mike, and instead, it was new GM John Idzik who inherited a roster more than $20 million over the limit.

    The second is actually the more telling, and also what’s made the past 24 hours a sign of a new start in New York. In the 2009 draft, the Jets picked three times. Their first selection was the fifth overall, a pick they’d gotten by trading first- and second-round picks to Cleveland in an effort to secure USC quarterback Mark Sanchez. That Sanchez hasn’t worked out — and that the Jets compounded that problem by giving him heaps of guaranteed money anyway — matters, but it isn’t the point here. Now with no picks left in the top 75, the Jets sent third- and fourth-round choices to Detroit in exchange for the first pick in the third round. That pick was Shonn Greene. Finally, the Jets picked in the sixth round, where they took Nebraska guard Matt Slauson — the best player of the three, and also one who was allowed to leave town this offseason to sign for close to the minimum in Chicago.

    Names like Calvin Pace and Bart Scott are the ones (aside from Sanchez’s) that will follow Tannenbaum around the rest of his career, but the Jets’ draft strategy had just as much to do with their eventual downfall. A few big veteran contracts are less devastating when coupled with a roster full of solid starters accumulated in the middle rounds. The Jets never had that chance — mostly because they never actually picked in the middle rounds. New York's third-round pick dealt in the trade for Greene was actually one they’d gotten from New Orleans in a trade for Jonathan Vilma. Their original pick in that third round was sent to Green Bay for Brett Favre. In 2007, Tannenbaum gave Carolina a first and a second in order to move up and take Darrelle Revis. He followed that by sending second- and third-round picks to Green Bay to move up in the second round and take David Harris. A year later, the Jets gave up second- and fourth-round picks to move back into the first and take Dustin Keller. Braylon Edwards cost a third and a fifth in 2010, and Antonio Cromartie left them without a second-round pick the year after that.

    In total, Tannenbaum made just 16 picks in the first four rounds from 2007 to 2012. Even if he’d hit on all of them (spoiler: He didn’t), it’s a strategy that almost guarantees to leave a roster without depth and financial flexibility. Shocking, then, that Idzik finds himself with neither. Even before acquiring the 13th overall pick in yesterday’s trade for Revis, Idzik made it known that he’s interested in moving down in the first round. It’s a strategy that comes with mixed opinions and mixed results (see Patriots, New England), but if there’s a recent draft where it makes sense, it’s this one. The first few rounds of this year’s draft are considered extremely deep, with no clear talent tiers, even among the first 30 or so picks.

    Moving down also makes sense when you consider just how many needs the Jets have to fill. If Idzik is content with keeping the ninth and 13th overall picks, it’s likely that there will be players the Jets could use. Tavon Austin, who’s being discussed more and more as a likely top-10 pick, would be an option at no. 9 for a team desperately in need of difference makers on offense, and with the top tier of edge defenders likely gone, Barkevious Mingo (with whom the Jets are reportedly “smitten”) could also be an option. Pass-catcher and pass-rusher are just two of the many holes on the Jets’ roster, though, and that’s why moving down and grabbing an extra pick or two in the second round might be prudent. Former Steeler Willie Colon will replace Brandon Moore if the Jets choose not to re-sign him, but that still leaves a hole at guard left by the departed Slauson. Dawan Landry will fill one safety spot, but they could use another. An upgrade at right tackle is probably needed, and a player like D.J. Fluker later in the first round might be the right way to go.

    One draft won’t solve everything, but if the Jets were going to start over, they’ve gone about it the right way. So far, this offseason has been filled with some low-risk, stopgap signings (Antonio Garay, Antwan Barnes) and some that might actually turn out big (Mike Goodson). It may not have the names, but this is a draft where the Jets can have a chance to add some young defensive talent next to players like Muhammad Wilkerson and build a foundation the way it’s supposed to be built.

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    so basically , every aspiring GM should review trader mike's tenure as a guide of what not to do.

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    All true. Except for the mingo part. LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by titanbuoy View Post

    In total, Tannenbaum made just 16 picks in the first four rounds from 2007 to 2012. Even if he’d hit on all of them (spoiler: He didn’t), it’s a strategy that almost guarantees to leave a roster without depth and financial flexibility.]
    6 year period of time: Jets only 16 out of 24 possible picks in rounds 1-4. F'ing Tannybaum traded away 1/3 of our picks. Good God.... I knew it was bad, but not this bad... no wonder this team has had zero depth and is in this unenviable position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astoria View Post
    All true. Except for the mingo part. LOL.
    Yeah, according to DBURP, Mingo is the devil. Thank goodness the Jets don't rely on JI experts for their picks. Mingo is a stud and will be a very good pro pass rusher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Play2Win View Post
    so basically , every aspiring GM should review trader mike's tenure as a guide of what not to do.
    Had we won the SB, would you be saying the same thing?

    Tanny went for "it" Didn't work out. Still, you have to respect the guy for making a run

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    If Hollywood does another remake of The Day the Earth Stood Still, I nominate John Idzik to be cast in the lead role of Klaatu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Play2Win View Post
    so basically , every aspiring GM should review trader mike's tenure as a guide of what not to do.
    It's easy to say that now. But realistically speaking, if Mark Sanchez turns out to be a good QB, then the Jets are probably in the playoffs 4 straight years.

    I'm not saying his strategy was a good way to go. But, missing on the QB (2x, including Clemens) sunk Tannenbaum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dcat View Post
    6 year period of time: Jets only 16 out of 24 possible picks in rounds 1-4. F'ing Tannybaum traded away 1/3 of our picks. Good God.... I knew it was bad, but not this bad... no wonder this team has had zero depth and is in this unenviable position.
    The thing is - none of those moves in a vacuum were terrible. You could defend each and every one of them. The problem is, however, when you put them all together, you get the results above - a roster without depth and financial flexibility.

    There is nothing wrong with trading up if you really believe in a player. But, trading up for Shonn Greene when you just traded up for Sanchez is not prudent. I remember distinctly reading about that move and how Wooden and Clinkscales, etc. pushed for it ridiculously hard and, at the end of the day, finally convinced Tanny to do it.

    My main thought in that regard is that Tanny not being a primary football guy has no choice but to rely on his underlings when rating a player. But, its his responsibility to take in the larger picture of the organization. He resisted at first, but ultimately he acquiesced to his talent evaluators and made the move. If Shonn Greene ended up being who we thought he was (after the SD playoff game), it would have been a great move. But, his mediocrity ultimately exposes Tanny's decision.

    Those two picks could have been Mike Wallace and Andre Brown. Hindsight's 20/20, but that's how you're evaluated as a GM.

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    Think some of you guys are wrong in blaming our lack of success on the lack of depth...

    It just comes down to the QB position and the fact that Sanchez is bad. And Tannenbaum was fired for keeping him. It's essentially that simple.

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    Tannenbaum was a victim of his own success.

    His first draft (2006) was very, very good. And he basically traded his entrie 2007 draft for two players (Revis and Harris) and got away with it.

    This created two problems:

    1) He had a false sense of confidence about his drafting, which came back to bite him when he started consolidating picks for players who didn't work out.

    2) Even in cases where it did work out, we were left with no depth. The 2009-2010 runs were in large part due to flukishly good health, particularly on the OL. As soon as we reverted to the durability mean, our roster got exposed.

    The third problem was giving out stupid contracts and dumber extensions, but that's another thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonEJet View Post
    Had we won the SB, would you be saying the same thing?

    Tanny went for "it" Didn't work out. Still, you have to respect the guy for making a run
    Yes, if he hadn't failed, we'd be praising him. But his strategy failed, so we're not. He failed, get it? LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonEJet View Post
    Had we won the SB, would you be saying the same thing?

    Tanny went for "it" Didn't work out. Still, you have to respect the guy for making a run
    +1

    We don't have to villify the guy at every turn. The moves we're killing him for now are also the reason why the Jets were 30 minutes of good football away from a SB appearance in back-to-back seasons.

    Add a huge game from the QB or remove an inexplicable disappearance of the defense for 30 minutes in both games, and Tannenbaum is not nearly the same disaster of a GM. Maybe with Idzik we get a guy who can keep his eye on the future while in "win now" mode (starting in 2014).

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonEJet View Post
    Had we won the SB, would you be saying the same thing?

    Tanny went for "it" Didn't work out. Still, you have to respect the guy for making a run
    His problem was frittering away and actual disdain for later round depth picks. I don't blame him for trading up in the high rounds. I don't blame him for trading picks for established players I do blame him for:

    Lousy 3rd round traded down with philly in which we only got a 7th rounder in return.

    Trading Leon Washington and a 6th rounder for a 5th rounder.

    Giving Rex his 'one pick per draft'.

    Drafting Sanchez's buddy just so he could be 'drafted' in the NFL.

    There are other cases as well. He simply did not value later round picks at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batmans A Scientist View Post
    It's easy to say that now. But realistically speaking, if Mark Sanchez turns out to be a good QB, then the Jets are probably in the playoffs 4 straight years.

    I'm not saying his strategy was a good way to go. But, missing on the QB (2x, including Clemens) sunk Tannenbaum.
    well only if chad never hurt his shoulder and only if Martin nevertheless fumbles and if... I can't base a case on ifs. a gm is only as good as the quality of his moves. Some were great most were busts. He was very aggressive and that got him burnt .

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenWave View Post
    +1

    We don't have to villify the guy at every turn. The moves we're killing him for now are also the reason why the Jets were 30 minutes of good football away from a SB appearance in back-to-back seasons.

    Add a huge game from the QB or remove an inexplicable disappearance of the defense for 30 minutes in both games, and Tannenbaum is not nearly the same disaster of a GM. Maybe with Idzik we get a guy who can keep his eye on the future while in "win now" mode (starting in 2014).
    Well can we blame him for not providing the team with a slightly better QB, for trying to go on a SB run with not just a rookie but one with very little college experience? Huh, huh, can we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonEJet View Post
    Had we won the SB, would you be saying the same thing?

    Tanny went for "it" Didn't work out. Still, you have to respect the guy for making a run
    Bingo!

    And Woody has been on record saying that after the Giants got the ring in 2008 how badly he wants a ring..So that no doubt played into Tanny's aggressive moves..Plus Tanny has stated numerous times he believes in (and has the data to back it up) quality over quantity when it comes to the draft..

    Came close but it didn't work out..The Tebow trade was an utter disaster and someone had to pay for that..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerfish View Post
    His problem was frittering away and actual disdain for later round depth picks. I don't blame him for trading up in the high rounds. I don't blame him for trading picks for established players I do blame him for:

    Lousy 3rd round traded down with philly in which we only got a 7th rounder in return.

    Trading Leon Washington and a 6th rounder for a 5th rounder.

    Giving Rex his 'one pick per draft'.

    Drafting Sanchez's buddy just so he could be 'drafted' in the NFL.

    There are other cases as well. He simply did not value later round picks at all.
    Absolutely. Rex's and or tanny's inability to evaluate talent and needs, especially in later rounds. then add to that the inability to develop the talent. rex , IMO is a better cheerleader than coach.

    The 2010 draft produced basically Joe McNight and Kyle Wilson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mart View Post
    Bingo!

    And Woody has been on record saying that after the Giants got the ring in 2008 how badly he wants a ring..So that no doubt played into Tanny's aggressive moves..Plus Tanny has stated numerous times he believes in (and has the data to back it up) quality over quantity when it comes to the draft..

    Came close but it didn't work out..The Tebow trade was an utter disaster and someone had to pay for that..
    So, Woody had an objective. It's not an excuse for Tanny's failure. Tanny failed the objective. It wasn't an unreasonable objective, Tanny was just unable to meet it. Because he's a bad GM. A capable one might have approached it similarly, but actually succeeded. And so he has data proving quality over quantity, that doesn't mean he met that objective either. I bet the data doesn't include his moves. You have to acutally, you know, choose quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinny Testaverde's Niece View Post
    So, Woody had an objective. It's not an excuse for Tanny's failure. Tanny failed the objective. It wasn't an unreasonable objective, Tanny was just unable to meet it. Because he's a bad GM. A good one might have approached it similarly, but actually succeeded. And so he has data proving quality over quantity, that doesn't mean he met that objective either. I bet the data doesn't include his moves. You have to acutally, you know, choose quality.
    Quote Originally Posted by C Mart View Post

    Came close but it didn't work out..The Tebow trade was an utter disaster and someone had to pay for that..
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