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    Cimini: Draft week may define John Idzik era

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    Draft week may define John Idzik era
    On heels of Darrelle Revis trade, GM's first draft could go long way or wrong way
    Updated: April 23, 2013, 3:16 PM ET
    By Rich Cimini | ESPNNewYork.com

    John Idzik used to sit behind general manager John Schneider in the Seattle Seahawks' draft room. He was Schneider's sounding board, always ready with a well-reasoned opinion.

    On Thursday, Idzik moves into the big chair for the first time in his 20-year NFL career. Known previously as a salary-cap expert and contract negotiator, the New York Jets' new general manager finally gets to pick the players.

    Idzik is somewhat of a wild card because he has no track record, but people familiar with his thinking believe he will go into his first draft with a long-term approach, refusing to deviate for the sake of a splashy move.

    "I think he'll try to acquire more picks and build through the draft for a couple of years," Schneider said in a phone interview. "He's very methodical. He's not interested in making moves that grab attention. He believes wins grab attention."

    Like it or not, Idzik will be one of the headline-makers on Day 1. With the ninth and 13th overall picks, the latter acquired in the Darrelle Revis trade, he's one of the first-round power brokers. The controversial trade, coupled with these picks, could define his GM tenure in New York.

    Idzik, on the job for three months, stepped into an unusual dynamic. He's the only new guy in the front office, and he's surrounded by a possible lame-duck coach and scouting staff that has been together for several years. There could be conflicting agendas, especially with Rex Ryan, who isn't concerned about the long term. He needs to win now.

    Idzik's toughest job will be deciding who to trust. Opinions will be coming from every direction.

    Between scouts, cross-checkers, position coaches and coordinators, there could be seven scouting reports on a single player. He made it sound easy, claiming, "It's not going to be John's philosophy, it's going to be our philosophy" -- but we all know that's an over-simplification.

    "Listening is easy. Who do I listen to? That's the biggest challenge -- and I don't think there's a close second," a longtime GM, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said.

    This is particularly important for Idzik, who is hardly a grizzled talent evaluator.

    Fans might not want to hear this, but Idzik said he's leaning on Mike Tannenbaum's former lieutenants, senior personnel executive Terry Bradway and longtime scout Jeff Bauer, who was promoted to director of college scouting.

    By the time Idzik was hired in late January, the scouting department was well into its draft preparation. It sounds like he didn't change too much.

    "I think the thing that has been impressive with John is that he has respected our process of the evaluation in the fall, the all-star games, the cross checks, the February meeting, the combine and so forth," Bradway said. "It's hard in midstream to change all of that."

    The Tannenbaum-led drafts didn't hit too many home runs, as only 19 of 41 picks remain on the roster. So, obviously, Idzik will have to evaluate the entire operation once the draft is over.

    For now, Idzik is sticking to the "everybody-has-a-voice" approach. Ryan used to have the loudest one, but his influence is diminished. If he still had as much power as he did under Tannenbaum, the Jets never would've traded Revis.

    "In the end, you want your head coach feeling good about what you're doing and the decisions you make," Idzik said.

    It will be a delicate balance.

    "It's tough. You have to be a facilitator, not an order taker," the anonymous GM said. "That's what Mike became -- an order taker. It's easy to become in our league."

    So how will Idzik draft? If he applies what he learned in Seattle, it'll be a meat-and-potatoes philosophy.

    In six drafts while he was with the Seahawks, the team used four of six first-round selections on offensive and defensive linemen. The others were a safety and a linebacker. They never picked a running back before the fourth round, and they found their quarterback, Russell Wilson, in the third.

    "I don't know if he'll be a big risk taker in his first draft. That's just my personal opinion," Schneider said.

    The Seahawks have been ultra-aggressive this offseason, but they have a playoff roster with a young, ascending quarterback. The Jets aren't there yet, not even close. They're building the foundation; the Seahawks are hanging the chandeliers.

    Multiple league sources believe Idzik will use his two first-round picks on a guard (talk about conservative) and a pass-rusher. Possible targets are North Carolina guard Jonathan Cooper, Alabama guard Chance Warmack and LSU defensive end Barkevious Mingo. A cornerback could be in play, especially if Alabama's Dee Milliner slips, which could happen.

    The typical Jets move would be something bold, a knee-jerk response to satisfy a fan base grumbling over the Revis trade. Idzik could change the mood by picking West Virginia quarterback Geno Smith -- or any quarterback, for that matter -- but that's unlikely to happen despite the need.

    Idzik isn't looking for a quick fix. In fact, he has sent out word that he's looking to trade down, acquiring extra picks. This will be a long, slow process to rebuild the Jets.

    "He's very deliberate and unflappable, with strong opinions," Schneider said.

    Idzik said Thursday will feel like game day. He'd better hope it's not a game from last season.

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    How does one draft define his era? Cimini really is a tool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borgoguy View Post
    How does one draft define his era? Cimini really is a tool.
    The headline is retarded but the rest of the article is pretty good.

    The fact is that he will have at least 3 picks in the top 39. One of those picks was traded for Revis. If he comes out of this draft with a bunch of duds, sure it will look really bad. But yeah, its pretty foolish to think that his career as a GM will rise or fall based on his first draft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revischrist View Post
    The headline is retarded but the rest of the article is pretty good.

    The fact is that he will have at least 3 picks in the top 39. One of those picks was traded for Revis. If he comes out of this draft with a bunch of duds, sure it will look really bad. But yeah, its pretty foolish to think that his career as a GM will rise or fall based on his first draft.
    this is true to an extent, fair or unfair. look at tanny. he made lots of moves as gm. he will be remembered for trading up for sanchez, fair or unfair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revischrist View Post
    The headline is retarded but the rest of the article is pretty good.

    The fact is that he will have at least 3 picks in the top 39. One of those picks was traded for Revis. If he comes out of this draft with a bunch of duds, sure it will look really bad. But yeah, its pretty foolish to think that his career as a GM will rise or fall based on his first draft.
    Thanks, RC. Yeah, I'm going to give Idzik a few years to get the ship back on course.

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    Nothing we haven't heard before about Idzik and so far I approve of this guy and his approach 100%. The proof will be in the pudding but how he has handled things so far is just fine with me. The best way to appease fans is to build a long term contending team not one that flames out quickly.

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    it's obviously killing our Dick that he can't get ANYBODY in the entire Florham Park Complex to tell him ONE FRIGGING THING

    you can almost feel his longing for the good old days of blabbering from Tanny and Rex and secret hand signals from Pettine

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    I think the headline is more related to the approach Idzik takes in the draft than the results of the draft.

    The Tannenbaum era was defined by trading draft picks for players and using mid round picks to move up in the early rounds.


    Is the Idzik era going to resemble the Belichick or Newsome approach to draft? Belichick trades down in a given year's draft while stockpiling picks for future drafts. Newsome doesn't usually trade up or down, generally sitting in place and taking whatever highly regarded player slips through the cracks, regardless of positional need.

    Idzik is a first time GM. This draft will go a long way toward defining his philosophy.

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    Har har Har. More doom and gloom from the professed Giants fan little dickie c.

    "Better hope this draft isn't like last season, jets fans"
    "Better hope they don't blow the picks"

    Sickening how the Jets fanbase has become so accustomed to being talked to like this.

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    Idzik's success or failure will be determined by what he does at the QB position. He could get the next Lawrence Taylor but it's not going to matter unless our QB is good. Tannenbaum drafted the best CB of our generation and he still lost his job because Sanchez sucked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsfan1983 View Post
    Idzik's success or failure will be determined by what he does at the QB position. He could get the next Lawrence Taylor but it's not going to matter unless our QB is good. Tannenbaum drafted the best CB of our generation and he still lost his job because Sanchez sucked.
    exactly. tanny traded for farve, drafted 2 pro bowl OL, revis, traded for bray and holmes, helped take the team to two afc championship games.

    and he'll be remembered for trading up for sanchez. fair or unfair.

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    Great article by Cimini. idzik will make the right picks. I have faith in the man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by augustiniak View Post
    this is true to an extent, fair or unfair. look at tanny. he made lots of moves as gm. he will be remembered for trading up for sanchez, fair or unfair.
    Yes, that is what he is remembered for, but he had a few chances to redeem himself, instead he double downed on Sanchez. If we could have cut Sanchez this year, without a cap hit, I think Tanny may have survived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revischrist View Post
    Yes, that is what he is remembered for, but he had a few chances to redeem himself, instead he double downed on Sanchez. If we could have cut Sanchez this year, without a cap hit, I think Tanny may have survived.
    doubt that would have saved him. if he hadn't extended sanchez, he would have been cut along with tanny. and maybe, rex too.

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    He traded the best player in the teams history to invest in the draft. We have several picks in the top 40. He WILL be in part defined by this draft. Not next year, not the year after, but eventually this draft will have some sort of impact on his legacy...

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    Interesting article.
    It tells me that Idzik will probably go conservative in the 1st round and draft an O-lineman and a OLB. Wouldn't mind that at all (worked well for Seattle).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsfan1983 View Post
    Idzik's success or failure will be determined by what he does at the QB position. He could get the next Lawrence Taylor but it's not going to matter unless our QB is good. Tannenbaum drafted the best CB of our generation and he still lost his job because Sanchez sucked.
    Well they usually go hand in hand but it will be because he builds a good team top to bottom that contends for a number of years or wins a super bowl even with a jag QB thought that is a rarity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerfish View Post
    Well they usually go hand in hand but it will be because he builds a good team top to bottom that contends for a number of years or wins a super bowl even with a jag QB thought that is a rarity.
    No, nobody wins with a JAG QB anymore. It's a thing of the past in a league that involves so much throwing.

    The QB position is everything. A good defense gets you 6 wins (which we will always have because of Rex)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsfan1983 View Post
    No, nobody wins with a JAG QB anymore. It's a thing of the past in a league that involves so much throwing.



    The QB position is everything. A good defense gets you 6 wins (which we will always have because of Rex)


    A jag qb won the last two super bowls. Qbs are not as important as everyone makes them out to be. They get way too much credit/blame.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Borgoguy View Post
    How does one draft define his era? Cimini really is a tool.
    He's a consistent windbag, too much speculation and conjecture in that "article" for my liking. Hope Idzik picks Mingo first then trades down to get Warford later, accumulating more picks.

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