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Thread: Double dip? What if we instantly turned a weakness into a strength

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    Double dip? What if we instantly turned a weakness into a strength

    http://www.ganggreennation.com/2013/...-the-nfl-draft

    Yesterday we discussed the possibility of the Jets using two of their early picks on a single position to build it into a major strength. Today we will look at probably the four biggest concrete scenarios the team could opt for. I maintain these scenarios are unlikely, but just to be thorough, let's take a look.

    Offensive Line Beefing Up the Middle Scenario

    9: Chance Warmack, G, Alabama

    13: Jonathan Cooper, G, North Carolina

    This would not be sexy, but it could help fortify the offensive line and build it into a dominant unit. Willie Colon shifts to right tackle in this scenario, and Austin Howard becomes the swing tackle who backs up and comes in to play jumbo packages. The Ferguson-Cooper-Mangold-Warmack-Colon line would arguably be the best in the league. It might even top the great lines the Jets built a contender around from 2008 to 2010. This line would make everybody better. Bilal Powell would flourish. Like Thomas Jones, he isn't big, fast, or powerful, but he can run through holes. Defenses would have to cheat up to play the run. This would open up play action. The quarterback will have all day to throw. Blitzes might not even get there, and receivers will have plenty of extra time to break the coverage. It was the formula the Jets rode to success in those 2008-2010 years.

    It might provoke some irate calls to WFAN in the short run, but a dominant offensive line will help the team a lot. The Jets might be running out top players at their position to four of the five line spots in this scenario. Once you get a chance to sprinkle in some skill position talent in 2014, watch out.

    Offensive Line Roll Tide Scenario

    9: Chance Warmack, G, Alabama

    13. D.J. Fluker, T, Alabama

    Again, not the sexiest move, but taking the Alabama linemates would have a similar impact to what was mentioned above. Warmack and Fluker on the right side of the line would be the Brandon Moore and Damien Woody of a new generation.

    Outside Linebacker Scenario

    9. Ziggy Ansah, DE/OLB, BYU

    13. Barkevious Mingo, DE/OLB, LSU

    You could come up with a number of combinations with all of the edge rusher expected to go high, but this is my choice. These are two great athletes coming off the edge. I'm personally not sold on Ansah. I think he has more red flags than any of the other top prospects this year, but he fits really well here. The Jets are going to have to make up for what they are losing in coverage after the departure of Darrelle Revis. Why not create a fearsome pass rush? These two compliment the inside linebackers the Jets have. Mingo could play on the same side as David Harris. Harris is a slow thumper inside. Mingo is a small rusher with great burst. On the other side, Demario Davis is small and quick, while Ansah has big size and great athleticism. If Ansah and Mingo both pan out, this defense is scary. Just imagine passing downs with these two flying off the edge while Quinton Coples and Muhammad Wilkerson collapse the pocket. No, it's not going to be on the level of the New York Sack Exchange, but it's a pretty fun thought.

    Wide Receiver Scenario

    9. Tavon Austin, WR, West Virginia

    13. Cordarrelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee

    This would be adding a couple of playmakers to an offense that could use them. Both of these guys can be electric with the ball in their hands. You would have Patterson on the outside drawing attention, while Austin moved all over the field, always forcing the defense to account for him. The offense would be built around a Patterson/Austin/Hill Kerley receiving corp. It's young and potentially could have game breaking ability all over the place if things pan out correctly. For good measure, let's say the Jets trade for Chris Ivory and have Mike Goodson and Joe McKnight behind him. Then they make a move and grab the electric duel threat E.J. Manuel. Now to be honest, most of these guys are question marks, but they have the potential to be explosive. In three days, the Jets might well have gone from having one of the most inept offenses in the NFL to one of its most young and exciting units.

    I can't say any one of these scenarios will be the way for the Jets to go because a lot depends on how things play out in front of pick 9 and what the Jets actually have an opportunity to do. I like these scenarios, though. They show a thought process that the team is looking to build an overwhelming strength that will force you to adjust how you approach the game. You will have to use extra resources to stop it, which will open things up in other areas.
    Kind of an interesting thought. Personally, I'm not sure I'd mind taking both guards. It's not sexy, but having a line of Brick/Warmack/Mangold/Cooper/Colon would instantly change the entire complexion of the offense.

    Just kind of a fun thing to think about. I doubt it happens.

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    If our GM is worried about making sexy picks and not about whats best for our teams future than we are in serious trouble.

    I have no reason not to trust Idzik, therefore whatever he decides to do ill give him the benefit of the doubt that he did his HW and knows what hes doing.

    I wouldnt argue selecting two OL in this draft. Seems like a lot of players in this draft are high risk high reward players.

    In a draft we absolutely HAVE to hit on, id be okay with solidifying our OL for a long time with two very safe picks.

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    Also by making two safe picks in the 1st, it gives you wiggle room to take risks on players Like EJ Manuel and Cornelius Washington.

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    Honestly I agree, I just think some of those scenarios are fun to think about.

    But also, if I think it could turn out the 2 best players on the board when we pick at #9 and #13 will be the 2 guards. Not sure how taking one at #9 would affect the selection at #13 though.

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    wouldn't mind Jordan and Ansah ; )

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    all im going to say is its a terrible idea.

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    I talked about this with my buddies at work today... It feels a little dramatic, but in weird way I'd love it - if only cause it's bold as fck. What a way to stick it league... We'd have to hit on every other pick though, otherwise, NY would come storming the gates.

    I've always loved those "over the top" scenarios. Take 2 of something, or getting double the best of.

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    If we were going to double dip id prefer upgrading one area of the defense or offense

    For example.. upgrade the front 7 with star and Jarvis jones

    Or upgrade the secondary with milliner and vaccaro


    I don't see a position where double dipping is worth it and id lose it if they picked 2 guards in the top 15.

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    I wouldn't like picking Warmack and Cooper with our two first rounders....I'd love it.

    That would everybody better on our offense. The running game would improve dramatically, and even the passing game. Giving our QBs extra time to throw gives our receivers extra time to get open.

    It's not sexy, but it's smart.

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    Picking two guards in the top 15 would be flat out cwazy man. One yes, perhaps but only because this year other positions are so damn weak. % years from now we would be losing one of these guys because if they actually reach potential we will not be paying two guards top dollar.

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    F*cking Retarded.

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    Taking 2 guards in the top 15 would be the dumbest idea ever. Very very very stupid. There is no justifying it at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerfish View Post
    Picking two guards in the top 15 would be flat out cwazy man. One yes, perhaps but only because this year other positions are so damn weak. % years from now we would be losing one of these guys because if they actually reach potential we will not be paying two guards top dollar.
    yaaaa, but it'd be fun for the 4 years we have the best oline in the NFL ever.

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    I thought about Mingo and Jarvis Jones

    On passing downs.....Mingo, Jones, Wilkerson, Coples, and Barnes coming at QB's......Holy sh*t

    Would have to rotate Pace and Barnes on rushing downs though

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    Funny. People either love the idea or hate it.

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    Any offense, quarterback and RB would love to have BOTH Cooper and Warmack in front of them. Realistically, we'd be setting ourselves up for a lot $$$ in one unit (offensive line). D'Brick and Mangold aren't cheap guys and trying to extend both Warmack and Cooper at the same time in 4 or 5 years would be interesting.

    Get me one! BPA and go with an OLB or an offensive weapon with the other pick.

    Cooper OR Warmack + Austin/Eifert/Jordan/Mingo, etc.

    I DO want to get at least one of those OGs though.

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    Smith AND Nassib!

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    Our OL is a lot of things a weakness isn't one of them. I hate how we go from the best line to average and people act like this is a bottom ten line. Ask guys playing in GB, Chi, or Pitt if they would like to have a line like ours. Could we use an upgrade here or there sure every team in the league could. It isnt helping us this year and that is the bottom line. All this playmaker talk then people want 2 Gs in the 1st. For what? A QB that cant throw, the worst TE in the game, and a bunch of low end RBs. But the line in the big issue. LMFAO

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    Quote Originally Posted by neonleon29 View Post
    If our GM is worried about making sexy picks and not about whats best for our teams future than we are in serious trouble.

    I have no reason not to trust Idzik, therefore whatever he decides to do ill give him the benefit of the doubt that he did his HW and knows what hes doing.

    I wouldnt argue selecting two OL in this draft. Seems like a lot of players in this draft are high risk high reward players.

    In a draft we absolutely HAVE to hit on, id be okay with solidifying our OL for a long time with two very safe picks.
    No way should we use two top picks in such a foolhardy manner. How about Mingo at 9, trade down to get Fluker and more picks. Pick up Barret Jones later and maybe Jamie Collims. We also need someone like Hopkins in the second. We can really stockpile on quality players if Jets draft judiciously.

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